Re: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

November 25, 2010

By way of exploring values in an ACt senseif you did secure their downfall, then what?If you secured their downfall and nothing else changed,would you be satisfied?- S C.

Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

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I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!

All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day.

While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have over many others.

Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over the rest of us.

In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.

This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya basta!

Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now playing with fire!

Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .

November 25, 2010

Er, pardon?(Wondering if we're in the same maelstrom...)Detlef>> By way of exploring values in an ACt sense> > if you did secure their downfall, then what?> If you secured their downfall and nothing else changed,> would you be satisfied?> > - S> > C. > Foundation Professor> Department of Psychology /298> University of Nevada> Reno, NV 89557-0062> > "Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"> > hayes@... or stevenchayes@...> Fax: > Psych Department: > Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): (775)> 746-2013> > Blogs:> *Psychology Today* http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind> *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd> > If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page> or my blog at the ACBS site:> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes> > or you can try my website (not really quite functional yet) stevenchayes.com> > If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc),> please first check the vast resources at www.contextualpsychology.org. You> have to register on the site to download things, but the cost starts at a> dollar.> > If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide> ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join> > or> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join> > If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get> Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of the> conversation go to:> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join> > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, ACTinAddiction> actinaddiction@...wrote:> > >> >> > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of> > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional> > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and> > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> >> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values> > were apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much> > we are all suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new> > day.> >> > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others> > don't even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply> > striving to survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While> > the more privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are> > loathe to rock the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they> > believe they have over many others.> >> > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our> > suffering. This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material> > wealth. It is difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and> > sovereignty over the rest of us.> >> > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and> > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and> > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> >> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall.> > Ya basta!> >> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now> > playing with fire!> >> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .> >> > > >>

November 25, 2010

Please discard/ignore my previous post. The post you responded to arrived after your response. Bloody Yahoo!Regards,Detlef>> By way of exploring values in an ACt sense> > if you did secure their downfall, then what?> If you secured their downfall and nothing else changed,> would you be satisfied?> > - S> > C. > Foundation Professor> Department of Psychology /298> University of Nevada> Reno, NV 89557-0062> > "Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"> > hayes@... or stevenchayes@...> Fax: > Psych Department: > Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): (775)> 746-2013> > Blogs:> *Psychology Today* http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind> *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd> > If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page> or my blog at the ACBS site:> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes> > or you can try my website (not really quite functional yet) stevenchayes.com> > If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc),> please first check the vast resources at www.contextualpsychology.org. You> have to register on the site to download things, but the cost starts at a> dollar.> > If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide> ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join> > or> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join> > If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get> Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of the> conversation go to:> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join> > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, ACTinAddiction> actinaddiction@...wrote:> > >> >> > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of> > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional> > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and> > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> >> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values> > were apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much> > we are all suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new> > day.> >> > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others> > don't even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply> > striving to survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While> > the more privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are> > loathe to rock the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they> > believe they have over many others.> >> > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our> > suffering. This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material> > wealth. It is difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and> > sovereignty over the rest of us.> >> > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and> > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and> > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> >> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall.> > Ya basta!> >> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now> > playing with fire!> >> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .> >> > > >>

November 25, 2010

Hello , and thanks for your reply.

Firstly, I would like to make it clear this is not simply a matter of my own

personal political beliefs nor ranting, although I am undoubtedly fused, to some

extent, with my own anger. Each of us is profoundly affected by the situations

and actions of everyone else around us.

For me personally, the value is in doing something as opposed to passively

awaiting the collapse. My value is in hurrying along a process which is already

inevitable, so we can try something different. In doing so I feel I regain some

degree of autonomy and liberaton.

I don't wish to debate the relative merits of anarchy. Noam Chomsky does that

most eloquently. and many sociologists now use the term 'network' rather than

society due to the extreme disparity between the powerfull and the

disenfranchised. I want to feel a part of a community, and don't want my family;

those I love or myself to continue to suffer exploitation.

>

> >

> > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of

> > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional

> > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and

> > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!

> >

> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values

> > were apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much

> > we are all suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new

> > day.

> >

> > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others

> > don't even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply

> > striving to survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While

> > the more privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are

> > loathe to rock the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they

> > believe they have over many others.

> >

> > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our

> > suffering. This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material

> > wealth. It is difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and

> > sovereignty over the rest of us.

> >

> > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and

> > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and

> > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.

> >

> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall.

> > Ya basta!

> >

> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now

> > playing with fire!

> >

> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .

> >

>

November 25, 2010

No problem Michieux. I realise this is a sensitive topic, and it's something I

feel truly passionate about. I just want us all to feel equally valued, to avoid

our personal values becoming any more distorted.

> >

> > By way of exploring values in an ACt sense

> >

> > if you did secure their downfall, then what?

> > If you secured their downfall and nothing else changed,

> > would you be satisfied?

> >

> > - S

> >

> > C.

> > Foundation Professor

> > Department of Psychology /298

> > University of Nevada

> > Reno, NV 89557-0062

> >

> > " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

> >

> > hayes@ or stevenchayes@

> > Fax:

> > Psych Department:

> > Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

> (775)

> > 746-2013

> >

> > Blogs:

> > *Psychology Today*

> http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

> > *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

> >

> > If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training

> page

> > or my blog at the ACBS site:

> > http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes

> > http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes

> >

> > or you can try my website (not really quite functional yet)

> stevenchayes.com

> >

> > If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information

> etc),

> > please first check the vast resources at www.contextualpsychology.org.

> You

> > have to register on the site to download things, but the cost starts

> at a

> > dollar.

> >

> > If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world

> wide

> > ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to

> >

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

> >

> > or

> >

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join

> >

> > If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g.,

> " Get

> > Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of the

> > conversation go to:

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

> >

> > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, ACTinAddiction

> > actinaddiction@...:

> >

> > >

> > > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of

> > > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of

> dysfunctional

> > > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my

> anger and

> > > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little

> scary!

> > >

> > > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal

> values

> > > were apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice

> how much

> > > we are all suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each

> new

> > > day.

> > >

> > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering,

> others

> > > don't even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply

> > > striving to survive, to concern themselves with personal

> development. While

> > > the more privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively

> content, are

> > > loathe to rock the boat for fear of losing the insignificant

> advantages they

> > > believe they have over many others.

> > >

> > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our

> > > suffering. This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and

> material

> > > wealth. It is difficult and dangerous to even question their

> importance and

> > > sovereignty over the rest of us.

> > >

> > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ

> powerful and

> > > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the

> potential and

> > > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.

> > >

> > > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their

> downfall.

> > > Ya basta!

> > >

> > > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I

> am now

> > > playing with fire!

> > >

> > > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .

> > >

> >

>

November 27, 2010

Really not a problem . As Kate mentioned, the concept of anarchism is deliberately misrepresented, and it's not surprising the very mention of the word is enough to fill most of us with foreboding and dread. Even the word socialism provokes intense reaction, especially in the States at the moment! Difficult times, indeed!

And please don't keep quiet. That' the last thing I'd want anyone to do!!!

I didn't mean you were like Adolf Hitler, ! Just that some things are worth fighting for. Maybe Mahatma Gandi would have been a better example! Think I had better keep quiet!

Simone

To: ACT_for_the_Public

Sent: Sat, 27 November, 2010 6:20:56Subject: Re: Re: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

Really good stuff Kate. I was born just down the road from him!Guess my initial stance must have appeared rather extreme, because I believe such a radical problem requires an equally radical solution (paraphrasing Norman Finkelstein).

Believe me, my values couldn't be further removed from those of Adolf Hitler!

Thank you for links Kate. For a while there I felt totally alone and misunderstood. Guess I wasn't explaining myself very well. This sounds much more like it. Will get back to you once I've checked them out.

Hi

You may find Smail's writings to be of interest. He focuses on the dysfunctions and power imbalances in modern society and how they affect people's mental health and well-being. From his website: " The so-called psychiatric 'disorders' are nothing to do with faulty biology, nor indeed are they the outcome of individual moral weakness or other personal failing. They are the creation of the social world in which we live, and that world is structured by power. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Smail_(psychologist)

http://www.davidsmail.info/introfra.htm

Cheers

Kate

Please try to understand that I am in a truly desperate space. I am suffering with chronic anxiety and suicidal.My personal values may seem extreme to some, and they are all that I have to cling onto.I am attempting to help myself by helping others and I believe the current 'social' environment to be the cause of some of my pain.

The other day I was waiting to pick up a prescription in a busy chemists, when two older ladies came in to ask for help as one had fallen over. She was obviously disorientated and bleeding profusely from a head wound. There were six members of staff on duty, none of whom even offered her a seat. They did call a taxi, however, but she didn't have the money to pay for it. So it was cancelled.

A this point, I stood up, took her to a seat and asked them to re-order it, stating that I would pay. The first thing she did was ask if I was working and said she couldn't take my money, however I reassured

her and said I just hoped somebody shows me compassion when the time comes, that I will inevitably need it. The shop was busy and staff, presumably concerned about losing their jobs, continued to serve, and take money from the other customers.

I'm sure my values are very different to those of Adolf Hitler, and stan by everything I have said. I am, myself, in dire need of support, and know how it feels to have no-one to turn to.There is already more than enough pain and suffering in this world, and the last thing I want to do is add to it.

Love and peace to you all.

>> Are you thinking

of the values of someone like Adolf Hitler? After all, he > really believed that he was setting the German people free. You could say that > he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would choose!Â The British

> people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who is right? I > think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight and why. If a > person or country is trying to live in peace and then the playground bully comes

> up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty to stand up to > that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good to me. And if > you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a way I agree with

> you - up to a point! We

are having riots in the UK because the Government > is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the freedom to riot if > we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.

> What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.> > Simone> > > > > ________________________________

> > To: ACT_for_the_Public

> Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18> Subject: The value of insurrectionary anarchism> >

Â > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and

> passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all

> suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't

> even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy

simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock

> the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering.

> This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us.

> > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful

and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya

> basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .

>

-- Regards,

-- Regards, Lovett

-- Love and peace,

November 27, 2010

Fuck it! You're full of shit, man.

Is that what you're after?

Detlef

> >>> >

> >>> > Are you thinking of the values of someone like Adolf Hitler?

After all,

> >>> he

> >>> > really believed that he was setting the German people free. You

could

> >>> say that

> >>> > he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would

choose!Â The

> >>> British

> >>> > people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who

is

> >>> right? I

> >>> > think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight

and why.

> >>> If a

> >>> > person or country is trying to live in peace and then the

playground

> >>> bully comes

> >>> > up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty

to

> >>> stand up to

> >>> > that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good

to me.

> >>> And if

> >>> > you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a

way I

> >>> agree with

> >>> > you - up to a point! We are having riots in the UK because

the

> >>> Government

> >>> > is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the

freedom to

> >>> riot if

> >>> > we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.

> >>> > What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.

> >>> >

> >>> > Simone

> >>> >

> >>> > ________________________________

> >>> > From: ACTinAddiction actinaddiction@

> >>> > To:

ACT_for_the_Public <ACT_for_the_Public%40yahoogroups.com>

> >>> > Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18

> >>> > Subject: The value of insurrectionary

anarchism

> >>> >

> >>> > Â

> >>> > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is

one of

> >>> > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of

> >>> dysfunctional

> >>> > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe

my anger

> >>> and

> >>> > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little

scary!

> >>> >

> >>> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my

personal

> >>> values were

> >>> > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how

much

> >>> we are all

> >>> > suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new

day.

> >>> >

> >>> > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering,

others

> >>> don't

> >>> > even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply

striving

> >>> to

> >>> > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While

the

> >>> more

> >>> > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are

loathe

> >>> to rock

> >>> > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they

believe

> >>> they have

> >>> > over many others.

> >>> >

> >>> > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify

our

> >>> suffering.

> >>> > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and

material

> >>> wealth. It is

> >>> > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and

> >>> sovereignty over

> >>> > the rest of us.

> >>> >

> >>> > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ

powerful

> >>> and

> >>> > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the

potential

> >>> and

> >>> > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.

> >>> >

> >>> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is

their

> >>> downfall. Ya

> >>> > basta!

> >>> >

> >>> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I

realise I am

> >>> now

> >>> > playing with fire!

> >>> >

> >>> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .

> >>> >

> >>>

> >>

> >> --

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >

> > --

> > Regards, Lovett

> >

>

> --

> Love and peace,

>

November 27, 2010

, I'm glad you are here, too. I wish I would you would have revealed your intention with your initial post so I wouldn't have been frightened. I still have to wonder why you had to be that melodramatic. But you did get our attention.

Helena

The value of insurrectionary anarchism> > Ã‚ > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all > suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't > even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. > > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

-- Regards, -- Regards, Lovett

-- Love and peace,

November 27, 2010

Back to sleep I go before I make any more silly typos.

The value of insurrectionary anarchism> > Ã‚ > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all > suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't > even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. > > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

-- Regards, -- Regards, Lovett

-- Love and peace,

November 27, 2010

How dare you judge me like that. Anyone who knows me also knows I am honest about my problems and passionate about my values, and yes I believe I am a kind person. On the contrary, I couldn't be more upset by your bigotted response hbbr/Arian/Simone whoever you are. I certainly didn't wish to be drawn into an argument. I'm ill enough already.

Thank you to those who did show some warmth and generosity of spirit, but I've really had enough.

>>and it's not surprising the very mention of the word is enough to fill most of us with foreboding and dread.

And yet you mentioned it, without so much as within a context. I cannot help but think that you hoped to shock and provoke. I googled the term and was horrified. Now you present yourself as someone nice and kind who did not mean to be provocative. I think you got the reaction you were hoping for. Good luck with that approach.

Helena The value of insurrectionary anarchism> > Â > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of

> insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!

> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all

> suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't

> even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock

> the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering.

> This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us.

> > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and

> realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!>

> Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

-- Regards,

-- Regards, Lovett

-- Love and peace,

-- Regards, Lovett

November 28, 2010

Hi (if you're still here)

My name is Helena and I wrote the post you didn't like. I signed my name to it but I guess you didn't see that. and Simone would have never said what I did; they are much too kind. I am basically very kind as well, but have a tendency to sometimes spout off without thinking about the effect my words may have. Just when I think I have that problem licked, off I go again. You may be a kind person, too, but all I know about you is what you posted, and I was confused about what you meant in your first post. I resorted to goggling insurrectionary anarchism and what I read was scary and chilling. So, since you didn't explain it, I did make a judgment about you, based on the little information I had, and perhaps it was wrong. But then, you judged me as a bigot, which I am not. I admit I am not well informed about this cause that you are so passionate about. It seems so dark and negative to me. I prefer to focus on shining a light in this world as a means to eradicate darkness; but we are all different.

Earlier you said "And please don't keep quiet. That's the last thing I'd want anyone to do!!!" Does that include me or just the people whose responses you like? I do hope you will stick around so that the other folks on this list can help you on your journey. But if you want to allow one stinker to run you off, that's your right. I don't like having that much power. Please revolt against me by sticking around.

Helenainal Message -----To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 7:12:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

How dare you judge me like that. Anyone who knows me also knows I am honest about my problems and passionate about my values, and yes I believe I am a kind person. On the contrary, I couldn't be more upset by your bigotted response hbbr/Arian/Simone whoever you are. I certainly didn't wish to be drawn into an argument. I'm ill enough already.Thank you to those who did show some warmth and generosity of spirit, but I've really had enough.

>>and it's not surprising the very mention of the word is enough to fill most of us with foreboding and dread.

And yet you mentioned it, without so much as within a context. I cannot help but think that you hoped to shock and provoke. I googled the term and was horrified. Now you present yourself as someone nice and kind who did not mean to be provocative. I think you got the reaction you were hoping for. Good luck with that approach.

Helena

The value of insurrectionary anarchism> > Ã‚ > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all > suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't > even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. > > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

-- Regards, -- Regards, Lovett

-- Love and peace,

-- Regards, Lovett

November 28, 2010

Hi all,I don't think that judged anyone elses personal beliefs, so I don't think such a vitriolic public judgement of his is either helpful or fair.Let's all play nicely together!Best wishes, x

December 2, 2010

We have another Stalin or Mao here. 10s of millions of people died in the name of your cause. I am very disturbed by what you write. I hope some can help you to save us from monster like you.

I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!

All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day.

While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have over many others.

Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over the rest of us.

In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.

This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya basta!

Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now playing with fire!

Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .

December 2, 2010

I think you'd better do some research , neither Stalin or Mao were anarchists and your comparison is so wildly inaccurate as to be almost amusing, except it's not. This sort of personal denigration, however, is not even faintly amusing, and is totally inappropriate.KateWe have another Stalin or Mao here. 10s of millions of people died in the name of your cause. I am very disturbed by what you write. I hope some can help you to save us from monster like you. I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have over many others. Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over the rest of us. In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya basta!Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now playing with fire!Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .

December 2, 2010

That's very fine that you help this lady. But that does not make you morally superior to others and give you license to impose your values on the rest of us.I'm sure the chemists (pharmacists in American English ) and employees in the shop have their values and were, it seems to me, living by those values by pursuing the careers they choose and helping the customers. I think many people think that somehow helping someone for free is somehow much more superior than offering your services or goods for money. (Though you do say you hope to be repaid by someone when you are in need). And more than that I think many people think we have a duty to help the needy and that somehow business is evil. I disagree.

There is great rewards in genuinely doing something to help others. But that is killed by this duty to the poor or needy. I have a few dollars taken out of my paycheck for charity. I found it very gratifying because I got to choose from over 300 charity organization where I want my money to go to. This choice reflects my values. So this is how I think doing any charity work or giving to charity organization can be very rewarding. And you may just value other human beings or other beings too. But that reward is diminished when you think of it as a duty or as somehow making you feel superior morally.

Please try to understand that I am in a truly desperate space. I am suffering with chronic anxiety and suicidal.

My personal values may seem extreme to some, and they are all that I have to cling onto.

I am attempting to help myself by helping others and I believe the current 'social' environment to be the cause of some of my pain.

The other day I was waiting to pick up a prescription in a busy chemists, when two older ladies came in to ask for help as one had fallen over. She was obviously disorientated and bleeding profusely from a head wound. There were six members of staff on duty, none of whom even offered her a seat. They did call a taxi, however, but she didn't have the money to pay for it. So it was cancelled.

A this point, I stood up, took her to a seat and asked them to re-order it, stating that I would pay. The first thing she did was ask if I was working and said she couldn't take my money, however I reassured her and said I just hoped somebody shows me compassion when the time comes, that I will inevitably need it. The shop was busy and staff, presumably concerned about losing their jobs, continued to serve, and take money from the other customers.

I'm sure my values are very different to those of Adolf Hitler, and stan by everything I have said. I am, myself, in dire need of support, and know how it feels to have no-one to turn to.

There is already more than enough pain and suffering in this world, and the last thing I want to do is add to it.

Love and peace to you all.

>

> Are you thinking of the values of someone like Adolf Hitler? After all, he

> really believed that he was setting the German people free. You could say that

> he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would choose!Â The British

> people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who is right? I

> think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight and why. If a

> person or country is trying to live in peace and then the playground bully comes

> up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty to stand up to

> that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good to me. And if

> you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a way I agree with

> you - up to a point! We are having riots in the UK because the Government

> is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the freedom to riot if

> we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.

> What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.

>

> Simone

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ACT_for_the_Public

> Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18

> Subject: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

>

> Â

> I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of

> insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional

> social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and

> passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!

>

> All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were

> apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all

> suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day.

>

> While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't

> even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to

> survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more

> privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock

> the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have

> over many others.

>

> Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering.

> This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is

> difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over

> the rest of us.

>

> In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and

> historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and

> realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.

>

> This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya

> basta!

>

> Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now

> playing with fire!

>

> Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .

>

December 2, 2010

Oh, I just wanted to add the following. I've gotten behind in my email reading. I am very disturbed by this thread and by a previous thread about the evils of drug companies. And so I ended up putting off reading the ACT emails. I suppose in a way I want to avoid and not accept the thinking presented in some of these threads.

Tolerance is really important and I think some of these threads seem to be so intolerant of any other kind of other thinking and is labeled redneck. Hitler, Stalin and Mao, I think, really believed strongly in their values and thought everyone should accept these values and live by them and if not then well you got to crack a few eggs to build a better society. Really any kind of utopia thinking - of doing something - an insurrection or revolution or whatever is not accepting the way things are - the society we live in now and human nature, etc. and instead thinking of a future utopia. So it's really not being present in the now and not accepting things the way they are.

And so I don't have a whole lot of tolerance for insurrections and revolutions and especially if it is motivated by hate. Toleration is important and it's important I think to be less tolerant or intolerant of some things.

I want to get back to ACT and reading threads on ACT and practical day-to-day applications of ACT. I'm not sure what I'd like to do when I come upon these threads like this that I find disturbing.