Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 In a message dated 8/2/2004 7:12:00 PM Central Daylight Time, IonaDove@... writes: >here is a brief outline of my hidden life as a poet. Dear Alice, Thank you for this intimate sharing of a part of your personal life. Would that such a sharing on my part could be half as interesting! Your poem is profound and requires thought and an allowing of feeling, which feeling part is a bit difficult for me, so I'm going to have to meditate on it for a while. It just so happens (that synchronicity thing again!) that I'm reading 's _Dark Nights of the Soul_ and he says, " The truth of things must be expressed aesthetically. " You've done that so well. Please give us more. *S* Namasté Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Alice, Thank you so much for posting this. I myself did a lot of art, poetry writing etc. until I married and had three children. Then as my marriage was in trouble I turned back to photography and painting. Along my path I met a woman who was studying to become a Jungian Therapist and she introduced me to hi work. I too, unble to afford therapy, have in the last three years, read as much as i can, although it is slow and go for me. My art work is key to my connection and helps me immensely along the way. I wish I could post an image of the first painting I did. Sherri > It has been rewarding reading yr posts ab how Jung in a way has contributed > to yr artwork. Helping u connect w/the unconscious. He practised this himself n > guided some of his patients to do the same, vz the CW. Now we can look forw > to the pub of his RED BOOK! > > With me, it was poetry. N here is a brief outline of my hidden life as a poet. > > I began at the age of 13 n by the summer I was 16, 1939, wh we were living in > a hotel in Noordwijk in Holland, I wrote quite a few poems wh were pub in the > Paris Herald Tribune. They attracted the attention of Mann, who was > staying there w/wife n d. . TM asked my father if he cld talk to me, bec he > cldn't connect the young Americ girl, who danced, played tennis, etc. w/the > depth of the poems. So we sat togeth in one of those wicker hooded chairs n > talked on sev occasions n he gave me gd advice! I had no idea at the time who TM > really was. > > I continued to write n finally climaxed my output w/ " The Song of Magdalen " on > Apr 20, 1946. > > The date is important bec I married on May 9th n didn't write anoth poem > until Apr 20, 1967! Though my husb privately pub Magdalen on his handmade paper, > our marriage n the arrival of 4 kids, etc. were anything but conducive to > poetry. > > A pers disaster involv my husb led me to seek help in a library. (Too poor > for therapy.) n I rediscov Jung! I spent 3 yrs, at least, devouring his bks, > making the awesome discov that his archetypal contents of the psyche matched the > contents of the astrol cht. But my unconsc also began to get stirred up, aided > by meeting a young delightful puer psychopomp. (No, nothing > happened.....turned out he was gay...but he opened up the Celtic world to me, as well.) > > The result was this first poem " Mother Goddess " , followed by a series of > others in wh I placed goddes in contemporary situations. They started out serious > n lightened up as I progressed. I see now by hindsight that they were a > prefiguring of my realizing the permanence of archetypes, resulting in many of my > bks! > > So fr 1967 on, I continued to write but made no grt effort to publ. It took > my darling Walter to insist on my collecting them, indexing them, etc. Now, > they are sposed to be published. > > Anyway, I am sharing this w/u in gratitude to Jung! > > Here's that 1st poem in " The Oracles of Night " .: > > > > Mother Goddess > > > Full mysterious brooding woman > ancient-eyed, many-breasted > sorrowful keeper of cauldron, loom > and the gaping wounds of man. > I know. > I have discovered your secret: > > when spring comes and the pushing of life and light > against the empty sky > you > > scream > > and that screaming, muffled by the ages > calls up from hazy warmth, broken earth > sun-blown waves > and a thousand girls this day in Attica > wake tousle-headed, smiling, whispering: > > today today is the day! > > > a.o.howell > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Dum-de-dum-dum! Wh's extraord is that for years n years I have used that expression to invite attacks of insight in my students! Go figure. Love ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 In a message dated 8/4/04 4:10:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, IonaDove@... writes: Dum-de-dum-dum! Wh's extraord is that for years n years I have used that expression to invite attacks of insight in my students! Hmm, when I encounter that expression I immediately think of Joe Friday from that hokey deadpan humorous 60's law show series, Dragnet, LOL! Mutt (erring again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Idle mind is the Devil's workshop??? If thinking is an auxiliary/intermediate function for you, give it work? There are strands of yoga/ mind-body research wherein you give the mind something to do to keep it occupied, so that the instinct/body can do its work, without one's being distracted by concerns of the past or the future. Tim Gallwey wrote an entire series of books starting with " The Inner Game of Tennis " with this theme-- keep the mind busy with simple exercises on the court to let the body do its thing. Also, mind = ego (unlike Psyche), and keeping it full (without judging/filtering) might facilitate ideas/your art bubbling up from the unconscious. Just some random ideas. Caveat emptor! Cheers, - Anand > Alice, > > Love to hear stories about you, more, more! > > Last night I dreamed you appeared as the wise old woman. I asked you what > to do if I was tempted to do something I shouldn't. You said, > " Dum-de-dum-dum. Keep the mind full. " > What do you think this means? > > Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 In a message dated 8/4/04 5:57:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, anandk@... writes: Idle mind is the Devil's workshop??? I think it's idle hands....................! Had to write it 100x on blackboard wh I was 8 in San Remo. But the rest makes sense - I use music wh catches my mind just enough to free my body and/or my unc. Love ao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 AO: > Idle mind is the Devil's workshop??? > I think it's idle hands....................! Had to write it 100x on > blackboard wh I was 8 in San Remo. > Interesting. I grew up with the " Idle mind... " version. Is there an original version? Is this a translation from Greek or Latin? While " Idle hands... " is ungrammatical, it makes more sense, especially as advice during puberty/early adolescence. :-))) I was the recipient of this wisdom from an assortment of teachers. Sounds as though you were tortured a lot more with this than I. Love, - Anand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 In a message dated 8/6/2004 2:55:09 PM Central Daylight Time, caspicuzza@... writes: >you give the > mind something to do to keep it occupied, so that the instinct/body > can do its work, without one's being distracted by concerns of the > past or the future. Y'know, I do this when I play computer solitaire. I often get after myself for wasting time doing this but it's amazing how some of my problems are solved after a long session of this " mindless " activity. Namasté Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§ Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. ~mrantho Minds are like parachutes; they only function when open. - Sir Dewar A closed mind is a good thing to lose. Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein It is the responsibility of intellectuals to speak the truth and expose lies. - Noam Chomsky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Re: jung and poetry Dum-de-dum-dum! Wh's extraord is that for years n years I have used that expression to invite attacks of insight in my students! Go figure. Love ao Alice, That's amazing. I condensed that dream experience in my email. In the dream all you said was dum-de-dum-dum. I wanted to know more so I talked to you in an active imagination/lucid dream and got the insight, " Keep the mind full. " I felt I was your student in the dream. love Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 I need to give myself thoughts too. Analysis takes you to the concerns of the past and the future. It's like you have to find your way back to 0 sometimes to do the real creative work. Carol jung and poetry In a message dated 8/5/04 1:03:19 PM, anand writes: << There are strands of yoga/ mind-body research wherein you give the mind something to do to keep it occupied, so that the instinct/body can do its work, without one's being distracted by concerns of the past or the future. >> Years ago in NYC I told my therapist at the time that I had gone to Central Park and sat down on a pleasant bench and gave myself thoughts to think. She wrote it down. That has stuck with me. That she wrote it down. I always give myself thoughts to think. not HOW just WHAT. And then the cosmos descends and you deal with whatcha get. best to all, phoebe www.phoebewray.net Coming: Novella, Sailor of Kannar, Scrybe Press chapbook, late summer 2004 Short story, The Visitor, Fables.org, autumn issue 2004 Novel, Jemma7729: Inappropriate Behavior, EDGE Science Fiction and Fantasy Books, 2005 " Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings may be freed from all kinds of unsatisfactory experience and suffering. " H.H. Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th. Dalai Lama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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