Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 From: Green Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM To: imdsapresident@... Subject: Prompt therapy Hi Everyone, I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course & to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my school district to pay for this. The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in somehow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Although I " KNOW " the school he attended did " NOT " use " prompt therapy " , I would like to know what it is and what it entails, please. > > > > > > From: Green > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM > To: imdsapresident@... > Subject: Prompt therapy > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with > apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The > reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than > typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use > it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course & > to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this > training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a > small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my > school district to pay for this. > > > > The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's > last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in > somehow! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 In our district the state gives each child with special needs $ 22,000 plus what the federal government gives them. Our district also put astro turf on the football field two years ago ,and the tax payers did not know about it until after the fact. You have to realize that in Mahopac, NY where I live we pay the highest school taxes than anywhere else in the country. This is fact. The superintend makes $275,000 plus a company car and is able to fill up anytime he wants to at transportation. Our kids are not deprived anything. In the high school every kid has a Mac pc. Plus our district receives money from the state for busing $350,000 plus what it cost the tax payers each year for new buses, and they sell the old ones. Aids start @ $22,220 and up to $30,000. We are not a poor school district by any means! You would be blown away what our kids have!!! The average teacher salary to starts @ $50,,000 and up to $100,000 plus! So this is a sore spot with me and many of us in our community. They will keep taxing us until we move out! The population is our town is 8,000 and the average income is $75,000. Many of the teachers make more than the people who live here. They could pay for a speech pathologist $10,000 for the course. I am not mad at you, I know many school districts do not even have what our kids. And word has it in our community that our taxes are high because of the special needs kids. You should see our football stadium, tennis courts and so on. Our middle school has a planetarium! I just feel like our kids are getting the short end of the stick . Many school districts wish what our kids get, and what the staff makes. Thanks for your input unfortunately our district has the money! Enjoy the rest of today. Thanks, From: MosaicDS [mailto:MosaicDS ] On Behalf Of , - Kenton County Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:54 PM To: MosaicDS Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy Just remember that if the district spends $10,000 to train a person to use this method, that money has to come from somewhere and something else that your child benefits from might be cut. I'm not saying don't ask, but realize there may be a little " tit for tat. " For instance, that $10,000 might come from the budget that pays for instructional assistants in the classroom, thus causing staff to be cut. The staff that gets cut just might be the instructional assistant who works with your child, or the bus monitor on his bus. Money is tight everywhere right now and school systems aren't increasing their budgets; they are decreasing them to save money so they can still operate. There is only so much money in the budget for professional development and it's usually a lot less than $10,000 per year. If this course is a college course, I don't think there is a school district out there that will pay for a teacher to take it. Think about this. Teachers are required by law to get their master's degrees, but are given no monetary assistance toward doing so. They just lose their teaching certificates -- an their jobs -- if they don't get the degree. If a district does not pay for any teacher to get a masters degrees -- which is required by law -- it is highly unlikely that they will pay $10,000 for one staff member to take one course. Plus, remember this, the law is very clear about the fact that parents cannot dictate programming. That means you can ask for a certain program to be used with your child, but if the district is using a different program they do not have to change to the one you request. They might choose to change if they see enough research proving the program more effective than what they already use, but they do not have to change. Just food for thought. I wish you luck. A. Special Educator Simon Kenton HS 11132 Madison Pk. Independence, KY 41051 (859)960-0348 cynthia.jones@... <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> ________________________________ From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Green Sent: Sat 8/9/2008 1:02 AM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: FW: Prompt therapy From: Green [mailto:lrgreen@... <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> ] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM To: imdsapresident@... <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> Subject: Prompt therapy Hi Everyone, I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course & to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my school district to pay for this. The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in somehow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I made an error the school district receives $3.5 million for buses! I found all of this out online through NY state. Also I have a house that is 2,200 sq foot with an acre of land and our school taxes are $8,000 a year! So I know I will push for this. From: MosaicDS [mailto:MosaicDS ] On Behalf Of , - Kenton County Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:54 PM To: MosaicDS Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy Just remember that if the district spends $10,000 to train a person to use this method, that money has to come from somewhere and something else that your child benefits from might be cut. I'm not saying don't ask, but realize there may be a little " tit for tat. " For instance, that $10,000 might come from the budget that pays for instructional assistants in the classroom, thus causing staff to be cut. The staff that gets cut just might be the instructional assistant who works with your child, or the bus monitor on his bus. Money is tight everywhere right now and school systems aren't increasing their budgets; they are decreasing them to save money so they can still operate. There is only so much money in the budget for professional development and it's usually a lot less than $10,000 per year. If this course is a college course, I don't think there is a school district out there that will pay for a teacher to take it. Think about this. Teachers are required by law to get their master's degrees, but are given no monetary assistance toward doing so. They just lose their teaching certificates -- an their jobs -- if they don't get the degree. If a district does not pay for any teacher to get a masters degrees -- which is required by law -- it is highly unlikely that they will pay $10,000 for one staff member to take one course. Plus, remember this, the law is very clear about the fact that parents cannot dictate programming. That means you can ask for a certain program to be used with your child, but if the district is using a different program they do not have to change to the one you request. They might choose to change if they see enough research proving the program more effective than what they already use, but they do not have to change. Just food for thought. I wish you luck. A. Special Educator Simon Kenton HS 11132 Madison Pk. Independence, KY 41051 (859)960-0348 cynthia.jones@... <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> ________________________________ From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Green Sent: Sat 8/9/2008 1:02 AM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: FW: Prompt therapy From: Green [mailto:lrgreen@... <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> ] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM To: imdsapresident@... <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> Subject: Prompt therapy Hi Everyone, I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course & to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my school district to pay for this. The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in somehow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 It's good that your district has the money to do all these things with. You made my point well, though, when you stated how high your property taxes are. It doesn't look like they cut programs; they just raise taxes. Most schools don't have that kind of an option. If they are to " find the money somewhere, " they have to find it in other programs. Hearing how high your teachers' salaries are tells me the cost of living there must be really high. $75,000 sounds like a lot of money, but it's really not by the time taxes, health insurance, and retirement are taken out and you figure in the cost of living. A few years ago, because of my association with an online service that matches up teachers and school districts, I was sent information about teaching in New York City. Starting salary was $60,000 and they were even offering to pay for graduate work for special education teachers (remember what I said earlier about schools not offering one red cent to pay for a masters degree? So, you can see this was pretty huge). I thought, " WOW! $60,000 a year! Amazing! " (Of course, I NEVER gave it a second thought, because I would NOT want to live there!). Just for fun, though, my husband went on www.realtor.com and looked at housing. When we saw that studio " apartments " and run down shacks -- and I DO mean SHACKS -- were selling for $250,000 dollars, we realized that $60,000 a year would be NOTHING! When you said the taxes on your 2200 sq. ft. house are $8000 a year, you have to realize the teachers are paying that, too -- unless they cannot afford to live in a house that big. (I know I'LL never be able to afford to live in a house like that). When you take that $75,000 and break down everything that is taken out, they probably have more like somewhere between $39,000 and $45,000 a year left. Factor in a house payment -- or rent if you can't afford a house, car payment, food, and child care and you'll see that they're not so rich after all. Remember, too, that they are paying for their masters degrees out of their own pockets, which probably means they are so deep in student loan debt, they may be close to retirement before they'll ever see daylight. I agree that schools should not squander taxpayer money, but if they don't pay their teachers, the teachers will not be able to work there -- and then you will be left with poor quality teachers. I guarantee you, too, if an instructional assistant in your district only makes $22,500, they DEFINITELY cannot afford to live on that. Most of them probably have spouses who support the family and they are basically just working for insurance -- or for little spending money. If they do not have spouses who make more money, then they are probably working two -- or three -- jobs just to make ends meet. It sounds like you will probably get the school to pay for the PROMPT system (which, by the way, I read about from one of your links and it REALLY makes sense!). That's great for your child. Be grateful you live in a district that can afford to spend money on programs, because all of us are not as fortunate. A. Special Educator Simon Kenton HS 11132 Madison Pk. Independence, KY 41051 (859)960-0348 cynthia.jones@... ________________________________ From: MosaicDS on behalf of Green Sent: Sun 8/10/2008 10:49 AM To: MosaicDS Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy In our district the state gives each child with special needs $ 22,000 plus what the federal government gives them. Our district also put astro turf on the football field two years ago ,and the tax payers did not know about it until after the fact. You have to realize that in Mahopac, NY where I live we pay the highest school taxes than anywhere else in the country. This is fact. The superintend makes $275,000 plus a company car and is able to fill up anytime he wants to at transportation. Our kids are not deprived anything. In the high school every kid has a Mac pc. Plus our district receives money from the state for busing $350,000 plus what it cost the tax payers each year for new buses, and they sell the old ones. Aids start @ $22,220 and up to $30,000. We are not a poor school district by any means! You would be blown away what our kids have!!! The average teacher salary to starts @ $50,,000 and up to $100,000 plus! So this is a sore spot with me and many of us in our community. They will keep taxing us until we move out! The population is our town is 8,000 and the average income is $75,000. Many of the teachers make more than the people who live here. They could pay for a speech pathologist $10,000 for the course. I am not mad at you, I know many school districts do not even have what our kids. And word has it in our community that our taxes are high because of the special needs kids. You should see our football stadium, tennis courts and so on. Our middle school has a planetarium! I just feel like our kids are getting the short end of the stick . Many school districts wish what our kids get, and what the staff makes. Thanks for your input unfortunately our district has the money! Enjoy the rest of today. Thanks, From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of , - Kenton County Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:54 PM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy Just remember that if the district spends $10,000 to train a person to use this method, that money has to come from somewhere and something else that your child benefits from might be cut. I'm not saying don't ask, but realize there may be a little " tit for tat. " For instance, that $10,000 might come from the budget that pays for instructional assistants in the classroom, thus causing staff to be cut. The staff that gets cut just might be the instructional assistant who works with your child, or the bus monitor on his bus. Money is tight everywhere right now and school systems aren't increasing their budgets; they are decreasing them to save money so they can still operate. There is only so much money in the budget for professional development and it's usually a lot less than $10,000 per year. If this course is a college course, I don't think there is a school district out there that will pay for a teacher to take it. Think about this. Teachers are required by law to get their master's degrees, but are given no monetary assistance toward doing so. They just lose their teaching certificates -- an their jobs -- if they don't get the degree. If a district does not pay for any teacher to get a masters degrees -- which is required by law -- it is highly unlikely that they will pay $10,000 for one staff member to take one course. Plus, remember this, the law is very clear about the fact that parents cannot dictate programming. That means you can ask for a certain program to be used with your child, but if the district is using a different program they do not have to change to the one you request. They might choose to change if they see enough research proving the program more effective than what they already use, but they do not have to change. Just food for thought. I wish you luck. A. Special Educator Simon Kenton HS 11132 Madison Pk. Independence, KY 41051 (859)960-0348 cynthia.jones@... <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> ________________________________ From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Green Sent: Sat 8/9/2008 1:02 AM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: FW: Prompt therapy From: Green [mailto:lrgreen@... <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> ] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM To: imdsapresident@... <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> Subject: Prompt therapy Hi Everyone, I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course & to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my school district to pay for this. The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in somehow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Thanks for your input . Yes it is a struggle to live here. This is why I will not live here forever. Our school taxes have gone up tremendously over the past 10 yrs. It was never like this. The OT in 's school lives in Mass. She travels an hour and a half one way twice a week because the money is fantastic. During that time she stays with her parents. Our local legislative is working on a cap off for our district. The past two budgets were voted down. The tax payers have said enough! I wish my husband made $270,000 a year with a company car and could fill it up @ the tax payers cost. This is where foolish spending comes in. Have a great day! From: MosaicDS [mailto:MosaicDS ] On Behalf Of , - Kenton County Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:15 PM To: MosaicDS Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy It's good that your district has the money to do all these things with. You made my point well, though, when you stated how high your property taxes are. It doesn't look like they cut programs; they just raise taxes. Most schools don't have that kind of an option. If they are to " find the money somewhere, " they have to find it in other programs. Hearing how high your teachers' salaries are tells me the cost of living there must be really high. $75,000 sounds like a lot of money, but it's really not by the time taxes, health insurance, and retirement are taken out and you figure in the cost of living. A few years ago, because of my association with an online service that matches up teachers and school districts, I was sent information about teaching in New York City. Starting salary was $60,000 and they were even offering to pay for graduate work for special education teachers (remember what I said earlier about schools not offering one red cent to pay for a masters degree? So, you can see this was pretty huge). I thought, " WOW! $60,000 a year! Amazing! " (Of course, I NEVER gave it a second thought, because I would NOT want to live there!). Just for fun, though, my husband went on www.realtor.com and looked at housing. When we saw that studio " apartments " and run down shacks -- and I DO mean SHACKS -- were selling for $250,000 dollars, we realized that $60,000 a year would be NOTHING! When you said the taxes on your 2200 sq. ft. house are $8000 a year, you have to realize the teachers are paying that, too -- unless they cannot afford to live in a house that big. (I know I'LL never be able to afford to live in a house like that). When you take that $75,000 and break down everything that is taken out, they probably have more like somewhere between $39,000 and $45,000 a year left. Factor in a house payment -- or rent if you can't afford a house, car payment, food, and child care and you'll see that they're not so rich after all. Remember, too, that they are paying for their masters degrees out of their own pockets, which probably means they are so deep in student loan debt, they may be close to retirement before they'll ever see daylight. I agree that schools should not squander taxpayer money, but if they don't pay their teachers, the teachers will not be able to work there -- and then you will be left with poor quality teachers. I guarantee you, too, if an instructional assistant in your district only makes $22,500, they DEFINITELY cannot afford to live on that. Most of them probably have spouses who support the family and they are basically just working for insurance -- or for little spending money. If they do not have spouses who make more money, then they are probably working two -- or three -- jobs just to make ends meet. It sounds like you will probably get the school to pay for the PROMPT system (which, by the way, I read about from one of your links and it REALLY makes sense!). That's great for your child. Be grateful you live in a district that can afford to spend money on programs, because all of us are not as fortunate. A. Special Educator Simon Kenton HS 11132 Madison Pk. Independence, KY 41051 (859)960-0348 cynthia.jones@... <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> ________________________________ From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Green Sent: Sun 8/10/2008 10:49 AM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy In our district the state gives each child with special needs $ 22,000 plus what the federal government gives them. Our district also put astro turf on the football field two years ago ,and the tax payers did not know about it until after the fact. You have to realize that in Mahopac, NY where I live we pay the highest school taxes than anywhere else in the country. This is fact. The superintend makes $275,000 plus a company car and is able to fill up anytime he wants to at transportation. Our kids are not deprived anything. In the high school every kid has a Mac pc. Plus our district receives money from the state for busing $350,000 plus what it cost the tax payers each year for new buses, and they sell the old ones. Aids start @ $22,220 and up to $30,000. We are not a poor school district by any means! You would be blown away what our kids have!!! The average teacher salary to starts @ $50,,000 and up to $100,000 plus! So this is a sore spot with me and many of us in our community. They will keep taxing us until we move out! The population is our town is 8,000 and the average income is $75,000. Many of the teachers make more than the people who live here. They could pay for a speech pathologist $10,000 for the course. I am not mad at you, I know many school districts do not even have what our kids. And word has it in our community that our taxes are high because of the special needs kids. You should see our football stadium, tennis courts and so on. Our middle school has a planetarium! I just feel like our kids are getting the short end of the stick . Many school districts wish what our kids get, and what the staff makes. Thanks for your input unfortunately our district has the money! Enjoy the rest of today. Thanks, From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of , - Kenton County Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:54 PM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy Just remember that if the district spends $10,000 to train a person to use this method, that money has to come from somewhere and something else that your child benefits from might be cut. I'm not saying don't ask, but realize there may be a little " tit for tat. " For instance, that $10,000 might come from the budget that pays for instructional assistants in the classroom, thus causing staff to be cut. The staff that gets cut just might be the instructional assistant who works with your child, or the bus monitor on his bus. Money is tight everywhere right now and school systems aren't increasing their budgets; they are decreasing them to save money so they can still operate. There is only so much money in the budget for professional development and it's usually a lot less than $10,000 per year. If this course is a college course, I don't think there is a school district out there that will pay for a teacher to take it. Think about this. Teachers are required by law to get their master's degrees, but are given no monetary assistance toward doing so. They just lose their teaching certificates -- an their jobs -- if they don't get the degree. If a district does not pay for any teacher to get a masters degrees -- which is required by law -- it is highly unlikely that they will pay $10,000 for one staff member to take one course. Plus, remember this, the law is very clear about the fact that parents cannot dictate programming. That means you can ask for a certain program to be used with your child, but if the district is using a different program they do not have to change to the one you request. They might choose to change if they see enough research proving the program more effective than what they already use, but they do not have to change. Just food for thought. I wish you luck. A. Special Educator Simon Kenton HS 11132 Madison Pk. Independence, KY 41051 (859)960-0348 cynthia.jones@... <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> ________________________________ From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Green Sent: Sat 8/9/2008 1:02 AM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: FW: Prompt therapy From: Green [mailto:lrgreen@... <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> ] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM To: imdsapresident@... <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> Subject: Prompt therapy Hi Everyone, I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course & to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my school district to pay for this. The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in somehow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Yeah, that is ridiculous. Of course, the flipside could be worse. I've known a lot of teachers who had to go on food stamps just to make ends meet. I think that's a tragedy, too. A. Special Educator Simon Kenton High School (859)960-0348 cynthia.jones@... " Deaf People Can Do Anything Except Hear! " (I. King Jordan) Confidentiality Notice - This email is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, kindly contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended recipient, but do not wish to receive communication through this medium, please advise the sender immediately. ________________________________ From: MosaicDS [mailto:MosaicDS ] On Behalf Of Green Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:03 AM To: MosaicDS Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy Thanks for your input . Yes it is a struggle to live here. This is why I will not live here forever. Our school taxes have gone up tremendously over the past 10 yrs. It was never like this. The OT in 's school lives in Mass. She travels an hour and a half one way twice a week because the money is fantastic. During that time she stays with her parents. Our local legislative is working on a cap off for our district. The past two budgets were voted down. The tax payers have said enough! I wish my husband made $270,000 a year with a company car and could fill it up @ the tax payers cost. This is where foolish spending comes in. Have a great day! From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of , - Kenton County Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:15 PM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy It's good that your district has the money to do all these things with. You made my point well, though, when you stated how high your property taxes are. It doesn't look like they cut programs; they just raise taxes. Most schools don't have that kind of an option. If they are to " find the money somewhere, " they have to find it in other programs. Hearing how high your teachers' salaries are tells me the cost of living there must be really high. $75,000 sounds like a lot of money, but it's really not by the time taxes, health insurance, and retirement are taken out and you figure in the cost of living. A few years ago, because of my association with an online service that matches up teachers and school districts, I was sent information about teaching in New York City. Starting salary was $60,000 and they were even offering to pay for graduate work for special education teachers (remember what I said earlier about schools not offering one red cent to pay for a masters degree? So, you can see this was pretty huge). I thought, " WOW! $60,000 a year! Amazing! " (Of course, I NEVER gave it a second thought, because I would NOT want to live there!). Just for fun, though, my husband went on www.realtor.com and looked at housing. When we saw that studio " apartments " and run down shacks -- and I DO mean SHACKS -- were selling for $250,000 dollars, we realized that $60,000 a year would be NOTHING! When you said the taxes on your 2200 sq. ft. house are $8000 a year, you have to realize the teachers are paying that, too -- unless they cannot afford to live in a house that big. (I know I'LL never be able to afford to live in a house like that). When you take that $75,000 and break down everything that is taken out, they probably have more like somewhere between $39,000 and $45,000 a year left. Factor in a house payment -- or rent if you can't afford a house, car payment, food, and child care and you'll see that they're not so rich after all. Remember, too, that they are paying for their masters degrees out of their own pockets, which probably means they are so deep in student loan debt, they may be close to retirement before they'll ever see daylight. I agree that schools should not squander taxpayer money, but if they don't pay their teachers, the teachers will not be able to work there -- and then you will be left with poor quality teachers. I guarantee you, too, if an instructional assistant in your district only makes $22,500, they DEFINITELY cannot afford to live on that. Most of them probably have spouses who support the family and they are basically just working for insurance -- or for little spending money. If they do not have spouses who make more money, then they are probably working two -- or three -- jobs just to make ends meet. It sounds like you will probably get the school to pay for the PROMPT system (which, by the way, I read about from one of your links and it REALLY makes sense!). That's great for your child. Be grateful you live in a district that can afford to spend money on programs, because all of us are not as fortunate. A. Special Educator Simon Kenton HS 11132 Madison Pk. Independence, KY 41051 (859)960-0348 cynthia.jones@... <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> ________________________________ From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Green Sent: Sun 8/10/2008 10:49 AM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy In our district the state gives each child with special needs $ 22,000 plus what the federal government gives them. Our district also put astro turf on the football field two years ago ,and the tax payers did not know about it until after the fact. You have to realize that in Mahopac, NY where I live we pay the highest school taxes than anywhere else in the country. This is fact. The superintend makes $275,000 plus a company car and is able to fill up anytime he wants to at transportation. Our kids are not deprived anything. In the high school every kid has a Mac pc. Plus our district receives money from the state for busing $350,000 plus what it cost the tax payers each year for new buses, and they sell the old ones. Aids start @ $22,220 and up to $30,000. We are not a poor school district by any means! You would be blown away what our kids have!!! The average teacher salary to starts @ $50,,000 and up to $100,000 plus! So this is a sore spot with me and many of us in our community. They will keep taxing us until we move out! The population is our town is 8,000 and the average income is $75,000. Many of the teachers make more than the people who live here. They could pay for a speech pathologist $10,000 for the course. I am not mad at you, I know many school districts do not even have what our kids. And word has it in our community that our taxes are high because of the special needs kids. You should see our football stadium, tennis courts and so on. Our middle school has a planetarium! I just feel like our kids are getting the short end of the stick . Many school districts wish what our kids get, and what the staff makes. Thanks for your input unfortunately our district has the money! Enjoy the rest of today. Thanks, From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of , - Kenton County Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:54 PM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy Just remember that if the district spends $10,000 to train a person to use this method, that money has to come from somewhere and something else that your child benefits from might be cut. I'm not saying don't ask, but realize there may be a little " tit for tat. " For instance, that $10,000 might come from the budget that pays for instructional assistants in the classroom, thus causing staff to be cut. The staff that gets cut just might be the instructional assistant who works with your child, or the bus monitor on his bus. Money is tight everywhere right now and school systems aren't increasing their budgets; they are decreasing them to save money so they can still operate. There is only so much money in the budget for professional development and it's usually a lot less than $10,000 per year. If this course is a college course, I don't think there is a school district out there that will pay for a teacher to take it. Think about this. Teachers are required by law to get their master's degrees, but are given no monetary assistance toward doing so. They just lose their teaching certificates -- an their jobs -- if they don't get the degree. If a district does not pay for any teacher to get a masters degrees -- which is required by law -- it is highly unlikely that they will pay $10,000 for one staff member to take one course. Plus, remember this, the law is very clear about the fact that parents cannot dictate programming. That means you can ask for a certain program to be used with your child, but if the district is using a different program they do not have to change to the one you request. They might choose to change if they see enough research proving the program more effective than what they already use, but they do not have to change. Just food for thought. I wish you luck. A. Special Educator Simon Kenton HS 11132 Madison Pk. Independence, KY 41051 (859)960-0348 cynthia.jones@... <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us> ________________________________ From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Green Sent: Sat 8/9/2008 1:02 AM To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: FW: Prompt therapy From: Green [mailto:lrgreen@... <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> ] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM To: imdsapresident@... <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com> Subject: Prompt therapy Hi Everyone, I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course & to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my school district to pay for this. The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in somehow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Hi Everyone, Just wanted to share this info with all of you! Our district is having a workshop set up so that all of the speech therapist in our school district will be able to take a course in Prompt, then take a test and be certified!!!! My understanding from therapist's in my son's school and the district is.. That prompt therapy has helped not only children but teens and adults with apraxia, who have never spoken. They are speaking in 3 to 6 months!!! On Tuesday this past week I had a meeting with our district assistant superintendant on another issue for my son which I may add that when you are able to educate the school district why something for your child and others are so important you can make a change!!! And I have, anyway our assistant superintendant said in the state of NY every child receives $22,000 from the state plus what the federal government gives, that there is no reason why things should be deprived of our kids. That I knew. So Prompt Therapy is coming to the Mahopac School District!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Good for you! That's GREAT! It's good that it is going to benefit lots of kids and lots of therapists! A. Special Educator Simon Kenton High School (859)960-0348 cynthia.jones@... " Deaf People Can Do Anything Except Hear! " (I. King Jordan) Confidentiality Notice - This email is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, kindly contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended recipient, but do not wish to receive communication through this medium, please advise the sender immediately. ________________________________ From: MosaicDS [mailto:MosaicDS ] On Behalf Of Green Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:29 AM To: MosaicDS Subject: Prompt Therapy Hi Everyone, Just wanted to share this info with all of you! Our district is having a workshop set up so that all of the speech therapist in our school district will be able to take a course in Prompt, then take a test and be certified!!!! My understanding from therapist's in my son's school and the district is.. That prompt therapy has helped not only children but teens and adults with apraxia, who have never spoken. They are speaking in 3 to 6 months!!! On Tuesday this past week I had a meeting with our district assistant superintendant on another issue for my son which I may add that when you are able to educate the school district why something for your child and others are so important you can make a change!!! And I have, anyway our assistant superintendant said in the state of NY every child receives $22,000 from the state plus what the federal government gives, that there is no reason why things should be deprived of our kids. That I knew. So Prompt Therapy is coming to the Mahopac School District!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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