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From: Green

Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM

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Subject: Prompt therapy

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with

apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The

reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than

typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use

it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course &

to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this

training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a

small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my

school district to pay for this.

The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's

last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in

somehow!

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Although I " KNOW " the school he attended did " NOT " use " prompt

therapy " , I would like to know what it is and what it entails, please.

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> From: Green

> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM

> To: imdsapresident@...

> Subject: Prompt therapy

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> Hi Everyone,

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> I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed

with

> apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt

therapy? The

> reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different

than

> typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools

do not use

> it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this

course &

> to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for

this

> training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they

just learn a

> small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently

pushing for my

> school district to pay for this.

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> The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school

district's

> last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in

> somehow!

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In our district the state gives each child with special needs $ 22,000

plus what the federal government gives them. Our district also put astro

turf on the football field two years ago ,and the tax payers did not know

about it until after the fact. You have to realize that in Mahopac, NY

where I live we pay the highest school taxes than anywhere else in the

country. This is fact. The superintend makes $275,000 plus a company car

and is able to fill up anytime he wants to at transportation. Our kids are

not deprived anything. In the high school every kid has a Mac pc.

Plus our district receives money from the state for busing $350,000 plus

what it cost the tax payers each year for new buses, and they sell the old

ones. Aids start @ $22,220 and up to $30,000. We are not a poor school

district by any means! You would be blown away what our kids have!!! The

average teacher salary to starts @ $50,,000 and up to $100,000 plus! So

this is a sore spot with me and many of us in our community. They will

keep taxing us until we move out!

The population is our town is 8,000 and the average income is $75,000.

Many of the teachers make more than the people who live here. They could

pay for a speech pathologist $10,000 for the course. I am not mad at you,

I know many school districts do not even have what our kids. And word has

it in our community that our taxes are high because of the special needs

kids. You should see our football stadium, tennis courts and so on. Our

middle school has a planetarium!

I just feel like our kids are getting the short end of the stick .

Many school districts wish what our kids get, and what the staff makes.

Thanks for your input unfortunately our district has the money!

Enjoy the rest of today.

Thanks,

From: MosaicDS [mailto:MosaicDS ] On Behalf

Of , - Kenton County

Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:54 PM

To: MosaicDS

Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

Just remember that if the district spends $10,000 to train a person to use

this method, that money has to come from somewhere and something else that

your child benefits from might be cut. I'm not saying don't ask, but realize

there may be a little " tit for tat. " For instance, that $10,000 might come

from the budget that pays for instructional assistants in the classroom,

thus causing staff to be cut. The staff that gets cut just might be the

instructional assistant who works with your child, or the bus monitor on his

bus. Money is tight everywhere right now and school systems aren't

increasing their budgets; they are decreasing them to save money so they can

still operate. There is only so much money in the budget for professional

development and it's usually a lot less than $10,000 per year. If this

course is a college course, I don't think there is a school district out

there that will pay for a teacher to take it. Think about this. Teachers are

required by law to get their master's degrees, but are given no monetary

assistance toward doing so. They just lose their teaching certificates -- an

their jobs -- if they don't get the degree. If a district does not pay for

any teacher to get a masters degrees -- which is required by law -- it is

highly unlikely that they will pay $10,000 for one staff member to take one

course.

Plus, remember this, the law is very clear about the fact that parents

cannot dictate programming. That means you can ask for a certain program to

be used with your child, but if the district is using a different program

they do not have to change to the one you request. They might choose to

change if they see enough research proving the program more effective than

what they already use, but they do not have to change.

Just food for thought. I wish you luck.

A.

Special Educator

Simon Kenton HS

11132 Madison Pk.

Independence, KY 41051

(859)960-0348

cynthia.jones@...

<mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us>

________________________________

From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on

behalf of Green

Sent: Sat 8/9/2008 1:02 AM

To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: FW: Prompt therapy

From: Green [mailto:lrgreen@... <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net>

<mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> ]

Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM

To: imdsapresident@... <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com>

<mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com>

Subject: Prompt therapy

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with

apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The

reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than

typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use

it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course &

to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this

training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a

small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my

school district to pay for this.

The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's

last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in

somehow!

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I made an error the school district receives $3.5 million for buses! I

found all of this out online through NY state. Also I have a house that is

2,200 sq foot with an acre of land and our school taxes are $8,000 a year!

So I know I will push for this.

From: MosaicDS [mailto:MosaicDS ] On Behalf

Of , - Kenton County

Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:54 PM

To: MosaicDS

Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

Just remember that if the district spends $10,000 to train a person to use

this method, that money has to come from somewhere and something else that

your child benefits from might be cut. I'm not saying don't ask, but realize

there may be a little " tit for tat. " For instance, that $10,000 might come

from the budget that pays for instructional assistants in the classroom,

thus causing staff to be cut. The staff that gets cut just might be the

instructional assistant who works with your child, or the bus monitor on his

bus. Money is tight everywhere right now and school systems aren't

increasing their budgets; they are decreasing them to save money so they can

still operate. There is only so much money in the budget for professional

development and it's usually a lot less than $10,000 per year. If this

course is a college course, I don't think there is a school district out

there that will pay for a teacher to take it. Think about this. Teachers are

required by law to get their master's degrees, but are given no monetary

assistance toward doing so. They just lose their teaching certificates -- an

their jobs -- if they don't get the degree. If a district does not pay for

any teacher to get a masters degrees -- which is required by law -- it is

highly unlikely that they will pay $10,000 for one staff member to take one

course.

Plus, remember this, the law is very clear about the fact that parents

cannot dictate programming. That means you can ask for a certain program to

be used with your child, but if the district is using a different program

they do not have to change to the one you request. They might choose to

change if they see enough research proving the program more effective than

what they already use, but they do not have to change.

Just food for thought. I wish you luck.

A.

Special Educator

Simon Kenton HS

11132 Madison Pk.

Independence, KY 41051

(859)960-0348

cynthia.jones@...

<mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us>

________________________________

From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on

behalf of Green

Sent: Sat 8/9/2008 1:02 AM

To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: FW: Prompt therapy

From: Green [mailto:lrgreen@... <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net>

<mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> ]

Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM

To: imdsapresident@... <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com>

<mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com>

Subject: Prompt therapy

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with

apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The

reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than

typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use

it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course &

to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this

training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a

small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my

school district to pay for this.

The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's

last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in

somehow!

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It's good that your district has the money to do all these things with. You

made my point well, though, when you stated how high your property taxes are.

It doesn't look like they cut programs; they just raise taxes. Most schools

don't have that kind of an option. If they are to " find the money somewhere, "

they have to find it in other programs.

Hearing how high your teachers' salaries are tells me the cost of living there

must be really high. $75,000 sounds like a lot of money, but it's really not by

the time taxes, health insurance, and retirement are taken out and you figure in

the cost of living. A few years ago, because of my association with an online

service that matches up teachers and school districts, I was sent information

about teaching in New York City. Starting salary was $60,000 and they were even

offering to pay for graduate work for special education teachers (remember what

I said earlier about schools not offering one red cent to pay for a masters

degree? So, you can see this was pretty huge). I thought, " WOW! $60,000 a

year! Amazing! " (Of course, I NEVER gave it a second thought, because I would

NOT want to live there!). Just for fun, though, my husband went on

www.realtor.com and looked at housing. When we saw that studio " apartments " and

run down shacks -- and I DO mean SHACKS -- were selling for $250,000 dollars, we

realized that $60,000 a year would be NOTHING! When you said the taxes on your

2200 sq. ft. house are $8000 a year, you have to realize the teachers are paying

that, too -- unless they cannot afford to live in a house that big. (I know

I'LL never be able to afford to live in a house like that). When you take that

$75,000 and break down everything that is taken out, they probably have more

like somewhere between $39,000 and $45,000 a year left. Factor in a house

payment -- or rent if you can't afford a house, car payment, food, and child

care and you'll see that they're not so rich after all. Remember, too, that

they are paying for their masters degrees out of their own pockets, which

probably means they are so deep in student loan debt, they may be close to

retirement before they'll ever see daylight.

I agree that schools should not squander taxpayer money, but if they don't pay

their teachers, the teachers will not be able to work there -- and then you will

be left with poor quality teachers. I guarantee you, too, if an instructional

assistant in your district only makes $22,500, they DEFINITELY cannot afford to

live on that. Most of them probably have spouses who support the family and

they are basically just working for insurance -- or for little spending money.

If they do not have spouses who make more money, then they are probably working

two -- or three -- jobs just to make ends meet.

It sounds like you will probably get the school to pay for the PROMPT system

(which, by the way, I read about from one of your links and it REALLY makes

sense!). That's great for your child. Be grateful you live in a district that

can afford to spend money on programs, because all of us are not as fortunate.

A.

Special Educator

Simon Kenton HS

11132 Madison Pk.

Independence, KY 41051

(859)960-0348

cynthia.jones@...

________________________________

From: MosaicDS on behalf of Green

Sent: Sun 8/10/2008 10:49 AM

To: MosaicDS

Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

In our district the state gives each child with special needs $ 22,000

plus what the federal government gives them. Our district also put astro

turf on the football field two years ago ,and the tax payers did not know

about it until after the fact. You have to realize that in Mahopac, NY

where I live we pay the highest school taxes than anywhere else in the

country. This is fact. The superintend makes $275,000 plus a company car

and is able to fill up anytime he wants to at transportation. Our kids are

not deprived anything. In the high school every kid has a Mac pc.

Plus our district receives money from the state for busing $350,000 plus

what it cost the tax payers each year for new buses, and they sell the old

ones. Aids start @ $22,220 and up to $30,000. We are not a poor school

district by any means! You would be blown away what our kids have!!! The

average teacher salary to starts @ $50,,000 and up to $100,000 plus! So

this is a sore spot with me and many of us in our community. They will

keep taxing us until we move out!

The population is our town is 8,000 and the average income is $75,000.

Many of the teachers make more than the people who live here. They could

pay for a speech pathologist $10,000 for the course. I am not mad at you,

I know many school districts do not even have what our kids. And word has

it in our community that our taxes are high because of the special needs

kids. You should see our football stadium, tennis courts and so on. Our

middle school has a planetarium!

I just feel like our kids are getting the short end of the stick .

Many school districts wish what our kids get, and what the staff makes.

Thanks for your input unfortunately our district has the money!

Enjoy the rest of today.

Thanks,

From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf

Of , - Kenton County

Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:54 PM

To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

Just remember that if the district spends $10,000 to train a person to use

this method, that money has to come from somewhere and something else that

your child benefits from might be cut. I'm not saying don't ask, but realize

there may be a little " tit for tat. " For instance, that $10,000 might come

from the budget that pays for instructional assistants in the classroom,

thus causing staff to be cut. The staff that gets cut just might be the

instructional assistant who works with your child, or the bus monitor on his

bus. Money is tight everywhere right now and school systems aren't

increasing their budgets; they are decreasing them to save money so they can

still operate. There is only so much money in the budget for professional

development and it's usually a lot less than $10,000 per year. If this

course is a college course, I don't think there is a school district out

there that will pay for a teacher to take it. Think about this. Teachers are

required by law to get their master's degrees, but are given no monetary

assistance toward doing so. They just lose their teaching certificates -- an

their jobs -- if they don't get the degree. If a district does not pay for

any teacher to get a masters degrees -- which is required by law -- it is

highly unlikely that they will pay $10,000 for one staff member to take one

course.

Plus, remember this, the law is very clear about the fact that parents

cannot dictate programming. That means you can ask for a certain program to

be used with your child, but if the district is using a different program

they do not have to change to the one you request. They might choose to

change if they see enough research proving the program more effective than

what they already use, but they do not have to change.

Just food for thought. I wish you luck.

A.

Special Educator

Simon Kenton HS

11132 Madison Pk.

Independence, KY 41051

(859)960-0348

cynthia.jones@... <mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us>

<mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us>

________________________________

From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on

behalf of Green

Sent: Sat 8/9/2008 1:02 AM

To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: FW: Prompt therapy

From: Green [mailto:lrgreen@... <mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net>

<mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net>

<mailto:lrgreen%40verizon.net> ]

Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:34 AM

To: imdsapresident@... <mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com>

<mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com>

<mailto:imdsapresident%40imdsa.com>

Subject: Prompt therapy

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with

apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The

reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than

typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use

it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course &

to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this

training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a

small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my

school district to pay for this.

The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's

last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in

somehow!

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Thanks for your input . Yes it is a struggle to live here. This is

why I will not live here forever. Our school taxes have gone up

tremendously over the past 10 yrs. It was never like this. The OT in

's school lives in Mass. She travels an hour and a half one way

twice a week because the money is fantastic. During that time she stays

with her parents. Our local legislative is working on a cap off for our

district. The past two budgets were voted down. The tax payers have said

enough! I wish my husband made $270,000 a year with a company car and could

fill it up @ the tax payers cost. This is where foolish spending comes in.

Have a great day!

From: MosaicDS [mailto:MosaicDS ] On Behalf

Of , - Kenton County

Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:15 PM

To: MosaicDS

Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

It's good that your district has the money to do all these things with. You

made my point well, though, when you stated how high your property taxes

are. It doesn't look like they cut programs; they just raise taxes. Most

schools don't have that kind of an option. If they are to " find the money

somewhere, " they have to find it in other programs.

Hearing how high your teachers' salaries are tells me the cost of living

there must be really high. $75,000 sounds like a lot of money, but it's

really not by the time taxes, health insurance, and retirement are taken out

and you figure in the cost of living. A few years ago, because of my

association with an online service that matches up teachers and school

districts, I was sent information about teaching in New York City. Starting

salary was $60,000 and they were even offering to pay for graduate work for

special education teachers (remember what I said earlier about schools not

offering one red cent to pay for a masters degree? So, you can see this was

pretty huge). I thought, " WOW! $60,000 a year! Amazing! " (Of course, I NEVER

gave it a second thought, because I would NOT want to live there!). Just for

fun, though, my husband went on www.realtor.com and looked at housing. When

we saw that studio " apartments " and run down shacks -- and I DO mean SHACKS

-- were selling for $250,000 dollars, we realized that $60,000 a year would

be NOTHING! When you said the taxes on your 2200 sq. ft. house are $8000 a

year, you have to realize the teachers are paying that, too -- unless they

cannot afford to live in a house that big. (I know I'LL never be able to

afford to live in a house like that). When you take that $75,000 and break

down everything that is taken out, they probably have more like somewhere

between $39,000 and $45,000 a year left. Factor in a house payment -- or

rent if you can't afford a house, car payment, food, and child care and

you'll see that they're not so rich after all. Remember, too, that they are

paying for their masters degrees out of their own pockets, which probably

means they are so deep in student loan debt, they may be close to retirement

before they'll ever see daylight.

I agree that schools should not squander taxpayer money, but if they don't

pay their teachers, the teachers will not be able to work there -- and then

you will be left with poor quality teachers. I guarantee you, too, if an

instructional assistant in your district only makes $22,500, they DEFINITELY

cannot afford to live on that. Most of them probably have spouses who

support the family and they are basically just working for insurance -- or

for little spending money. If they do not have spouses who make more money,

then they are probably working two -- or three -- jobs just to make ends

meet.

It sounds like you will probably get the school to pay for the PROMPT system

(which, by the way, I read about from one of your links and it REALLY makes

sense!). That's great for your child. Be grateful you live in a district

that can afford to spend money on programs, because all of us are not as

fortunate.

A.

Special Educator

Simon Kenton HS

11132 Madison Pk.

Independence, KY 41051

(859)960-0348

cynthia.jones@...

<mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us>

________________________________

From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> on

behalf of Green

Sent: Sun 8/10/2008 10:49 AM

To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

In our district the state gives each child with special needs $ 22,000

plus what the federal government gives them. Our district also put astro

turf on the football field two years ago ,and the tax payers did not know

about it until after the fact. You have to realize that in Mahopac, NY

where I live we pay the highest school taxes than anywhere else in the

country. This is fact. The superintend makes $275,000 plus a company car

and is able to fill up anytime he wants to at transportation. Our kids are

not deprived anything. In the high school every kid has a Mac pc.

Plus our district receives money from the state for busing $350,000 plus

what it cost the tax payers each year for new buses, and they sell the old

ones. Aids start @ $22,220 and up to $30,000. We are not a poor school

district by any means! You would be blown away what our kids have!!! The

average teacher salary to starts @ $50,,000 and up to $100,000 plus! So

this is a sore spot with me and many of us in our community. They will

keep taxing us until we move out!

The population is our town is 8,000 and the average income is $75,000.

Many of the teachers make more than the people who live here. They could

pay for a speech pathologist $10,000 for the course. I am not mad at you,

I know many school districts do not even have what our kids. And word has

it in our community that our taxes are high because of the special needs

kids. You should see our football stadium, tennis courts and so on. Our

middle school has a planetarium!

I just feel like our kids are getting the short end of the stick .

Many school districts wish what our kids get, and what the staff makes.

Thanks for your input unfortunately our district has the money!

Enjoy the rest of today.

Thanks,

From: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:MosaicDS

<mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com> ]

On Behalf

Of , - Kenton County

Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:54 PM

To: MosaicDS <mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:MosaicDS%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

Just remember that if the district spends $10,000 to train a person to use

this method, that money has to come from somewhere and something else that

your child benefits from might be cut. I'm not saying don't ask, but realize

there may be a little " tit for tat. " For instance, that $10,000 might come

from the budget that pays for instructional assistants in the classroom,

thus causing staff to be cut. The staff that gets cut just might be the

instructional assistant who works with your child, or the bus monitor on his

bus. Money is tight everywhere right now and school systems aren't

increasing their budgets; they are decreasing them to save money so they can

still operate. There is only so much money in the budget for professional

development and it's usually a lot less than $10,000 per year. If this

course is a college course, I don't think there is a school district out

there that will pay for a teacher to take it. Think about this. Teachers are

required by law to get their master's degrees, but are given no monetary

assistance toward doing so. They just lose their teaching certificates -- an

their jobs -- if they don't get the degree. If a district does not pay for

any teacher to get a masters degrees -- which is required by law -- it is

highly unlikely that they will pay $10,000 for one staff member to take one

course.

Plus, remember this, the law is very clear about the fact that parents

cannot dictate programming. That means you can ask for a certain program to

be used with your child, but if the district is using a different program

they do not have to change to the one you request. They might choose to

change if they see enough research proving the program more effective than

what they already use, but they do not have to change.

Just food for thought. I wish you luck.

A.

Special Educator

Simon Kenton HS

11132 Madison Pk.

Independence, KY 41051

(859)960-0348

cynthia.jones@...

<mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us>

<mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us>

<mailto:cynthia.jones%40kenton.kyschools.us>

________________________________

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behalf of Green

Sent: Sat 8/9/2008 1:02 AM

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Subject: Prompt therapy

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with

apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy? The

reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than

typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not use

it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course &

to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this

training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn a

small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for my

school district to pay for this.

The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's

last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in

somehow!

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Yeah, that is ridiculous. Of course, the flipside could be worse. I've

known a lot of teachers who had to go on food stamps just to make ends

meet. I think that's a tragedy, too.

A.

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Simon Kenton High School

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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:03 AM

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Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

Thanks for your input . Yes it is a struggle to live here. This

is

why I will not live here forever. Our school taxes have gone up

tremendously over the past 10 yrs. It was never like this. The OT in

's school lives in Mass. She travels an hour and a half one way

twice a week because the money is fantastic. During that time she stays

with her parents. Our local legislative is working on a cap off for our

district. The past two budgets were voted down. The tax payers have said

enough! I wish my husband made $270,000 a year with a company car and

could

fill it up @ the tax payers cost. This is where foolish spending comes

in.

Have a great day!

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Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

It's good that your district has the money to do all these things with.

You

made my point well, though, when you stated how high your property taxes

are. It doesn't look like they cut programs; they just raise taxes. Most

schools don't have that kind of an option. If they are to " find the

money

somewhere, " they have to find it in other programs.

Hearing how high your teachers' salaries are tells me the cost of living

there must be really high. $75,000 sounds like a lot of money, but it's

really not by the time taxes, health insurance, and retirement are taken

out

and you figure in the cost of living. A few years ago, because of my

association with an online service that matches up teachers and school

districts, I was sent information about teaching in New York City.

Starting

salary was $60,000 and they were even offering to pay for graduate work

for

special education teachers (remember what I said earlier about schools

not

offering one red cent to pay for a masters degree? So, you can see this

was

pretty huge). I thought, " WOW! $60,000 a year! Amazing! " (Of course, I

NEVER

gave it a second thought, because I would NOT want to live there!). Just

for

fun, though, my husband went on www.realtor.com and looked at housing.

When

we saw that studio " apartments " and run down shacks -- and I DO mean

SHACKS

-- were selling for $250,000 dollars, we realized that $60,000 a year

would

be NOTHING! When you said the taxes on your 2200 sq. ft. house are $8000

a

year, you have to realize the teachers are paying that, too -- unless

they

cannot afford to live in a house that big. (I know I'LL never be able to

afford to live in a house like that). When you take that $75,000 and

break

down everything that is taken out, they probably have more like

somewhere

between $39,000 and $45,000 a year left. Factor in a house payment -- or

rent if you can't afford a house, car payment, food, and child care and

you'll see that they're not so rich after all. Remember, too, that they

are

paying for their masters degrees out of their own pockets, which

probably

means they are so deep in student loan debt, they may be close to

retirement

before they'll ever see daylight.

I agree that schools should not squander taxpayer money, but if they

don't

pay their teachers, the teachers will not be able to work there -- and

then

you will be left with poor quality teachers. I guarantee you, too, if an

instructional assistant in your district only makes $22,500, they

DEFINITELY

cannot afford to live on that. Most of them probably have spouses who

support the family and they are basically just working for insurance --

or

for little spending money. If they do not have spouses who make more

money,

then they are probably working two -- or three -- jobs just to make ends

meet.

It sounds like you will probably get the school to pay for the PROMPT

system

(which, by the way, I read about from one of your links and it REALLY

makes

sense!). That's great for your child. Be grateful you live in a district

that can afford to spend money on programs, because all of us are not as

fortunate.

A.

Special Educator

Simon Kenton HS

11132 Madison Pk.

Independence, KY 41051

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Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

In our district the state gives each child with special needs $ 22,000

plus what the federal government gives them. Our district also put astro

turf on the football field two years ago ,and the tax payers did not

know

about it until after the fact. You have to realize that in Mahopac, NY

where I live we pay the highest school taxes than anywhere else in the

country. This is fact. The superintend makes $275,000 plus a company car

and is able to fill up anytime he wants to at transportation. Our kids

are

not deprived anything. In the high school every kid has a Mac pc.

Plus our district receives money from the state for busing $350,000 plus

what it cost the tax payers each year for new buses, and they sell the

old

ones. Aids start @ $22,220 and up to $30,000. We are not a poor school

district by any means! You would be blown away what our kids have!!! The

average teacher salary to starts @ $50,,000 and up to $100,000 plus! So

this is a sore spot with me and many of us in our community. They will

keep taxing us until we move out!

The population is our town is 8,000 and the average income is $75,000.

Many of the teachers make more than the people who live here. They could

pay for a speech pathologist $10,000 for the course. I am not mad at

you,

I know many school districts do not even have what our kids. And word

has

it in our community that our taxes are high because of the special needs

kids. You should see our football stadium, tennis courts and so on. Our

middle school has a planetarium!

I just feel like our kids are getting the short end of the stick

.

Many school districts wish what our kids get, and what the staff makes.

Thanks for your input unfortunately our district has the money!

Enjoy the rest of today.

Thanks,

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Subject: RE: FW: Prompt therapy

Just remember that if the district spends $10,000 to train a person to

use

this method, that money has to come from somewhere and something else

that

your child benefits from might be cut. I'm not saying don't ask, but

realize

there may be a little " tit for tat. " For instance, that $10,000 might

come

from the budget that pays for instructional assistants in the classroom,

thus causing staff to be cut. The staff that gets cut just might be the

instructional assistant who works with your child, or the bus monitor on

his

bus. Money is tight everywhere right now and school systems aren't

increasing their budgets; they are decreasing them to save money so they

can

still operate. There is only so much money in the budget for

professional

development and it's usually a lot less than $10,000 per year. If this

course is a college course, I don't think there is a school district out

there that will pay for a teacher to take it. Think about this. Teachers

are

required by law to get their master's degrees, but are given no monetary

assistance toward doing so. They just lose their teaching certificates

-- an

their jobs -- if they don't get the degree. If a district does not pay

for

any teacher to get a masters degrees -- which is required by law -- it

is

highly unlikely that they will pay $10,000 for one staff member to take

one

course.

Plus, remember this, the law is very clear about the fact that parents

cannot dictate programming. That means you can ask for a certain program

to

be used with your child, but if the district is using a different

program

they do not have to change to the one you request. They might choose to

change if they see enough research proving the program more effective

than

what they already use, but they do not have to change.

Just food for thought. I wish you luck.

A.

Special Educator

Simon Kenton HS

11132 Madison Pk.

Independence, KY 41051

(859)960-0348

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Subject: Prompt therapy

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if any of you have a child that has been diagnosed with

apraxia. If so is your child's speech therapist using prompt therapy?

The

reason why I ask is I found out that this is completely different than

typical speech therapy, and most early intervention's and schools do not

use

it. The reason why it is very expensive for the ST to take this course &

to be certified, and most counties and schools will not pay for this

training. My son's therapist in the past and recent said they just learn

a

small piece of the tip of the ice berg of it. I am currently pushing for

my

school district to pay for this.

The cost where I live is $10,000. For this course. Our school district's

last year budget was @ $108million. So I think they can fit this in

somehow!

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Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to share this info with all of you! Our district is having a

workshop set up so that all of the speech therapist in our school district

will be able to take a course in Prompt, then take a test and be

certified!!!! My understanding from therapist's in my son's school and the

district is.. That prompt therapy has helped not only children but teens and

adults with apraxia, who have never spoken. They are speaking in 3 to 6

months!!!

On Tuesday this past week I had a meeting with our district assistant

superintendant on another issue for my son which I may add that when you are

able to educate the school district why something for your child and others

are so important you can make a change!!! And I have, anyway our assistant

superintendant said in the state of NY every child receives $22,000 from the

state plus what the federal government gives, that there is no reason why

things should be deprived of our kids. That I knew. So Prompt Therapy is

coming to the Mahopac School District!!!!!!

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Good for you! That's GREAT! It's good that it is going to benefit lots

of kids and lots of therapists!

A.

Special Educator

Simon Kenton High School

(859)960-0348

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" Deaf People Can Do Anything Except Hear! " (I. King Jordan)

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From: MosaicDS [mailto:MosaicDS ] On

Behalf Of Green

Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:29 AM

To: MosaicDS

Subject: Prompt Therapy

Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to share this info with all of you! Our district is having a

workshop set up so that all of the speech therapist in our school

district

will be able to take a course in Prompt, then take a test and be

certified!!!! My understanding from therapist's in my son's school and

the

district is.. That prompt therapy has helped not only children but teens

and

adults with apraxia, who have never spoken. They are speaking in 3 to 6

months!!!

On Tuesday this past week I had a meeting with our district assistant

superintendant on another issue for my son which I may add that when you

are

able to educate the school district why something for your child and

others

are so important you can make a change!!! And I have, anyway our

assistant

superintendant said in the state of NY every child receives $22,000 from

the

state plus what the federal government gives, that there is no reason

why

things should be deprived of our kids. That I knew. So Prompt Therapy is

coming to the Mahopac School District!!!!!!

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