PS

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

While your at it, how about including my conversation with someone else last

night that might augment your theory, LOL!

In a message dated 5/3/2004 6:30:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, ? writes:

his work totally inspired my rennes work. there are specific passages from

city of revelation in particular. the one about concentric circles...i'll have

to dig it out. but thats what intrigued me about rennes, though i only really

hint at this in the website. i was fascinated by the egyptian quarter aroura

circle, the area of a 5x5 royal cubit square, which when turned into circle has

circumference of 365.25 inches....one can imagine going up in orders of

magnitude on the circumference 3652.5 inches, 36525 inches, etc to form

concentric

circles, with the area increasing 100 fold each time....

Hi ?,

Quick note, that reference seems to be similar to what I'm working on now in

my work as well. Neal gives a value of the " Root Standard " Egyptian Royal

Cubit in the equation, 12/7 + 1/440 x 12/7 = 1.71818 etc. which is about a

thousandth of a foot at variance with your value of 1.71725 etc. In fact, the

difference in those two values appears to be another inverse fractal portion of

the very same measure!! My my, this is enjoyable

PS, Aurora is one of those mysteries that I pay close attention to when they

crop up out of the blue, you'd be amazed at some of the coincidental

correlations that I have discovered behind this name/goddess etc.

Well See?

The Mutt

[Guest guest]

Carol -

Just had to share that I have just discovered Aurora Consurgens -

fascinating, and I may try to share some of it in my Sophia class...

Whitlow

ps

> Greg, the topic in my class now is Aurora Consurgens, von Franz'

commentary

> on Aquinas'(they think) visions of Sophia. They associate Sophia

with

> synchronistic events so I'll have to let my class know about your

> experience!

>

> Carol

>

>

>

>

> " Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings

may be freed from all kinds of unsatisfactory experience and suffering. "

>

> H.H. Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th. Dalai Lama

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mutt,

The number thing is so fascinating. Have you read von Franz' Number and Time

where she equates number in its aspect as the one-continuum with Sophia and the

unus mundus? A very difficult(especially mathematically) but important book.

Carol

Re: ps

Hi Carol,

While your at it, how about including my conversation with someone else last

night that might augment your theory, LOL!

In a message dated 5/3/2004 6:30:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, ? writes:

his work totally inspired my rennes work. there are specific passages from

city of revelation in particular. the one about concentric circles...i'll have

to dig it out. but thats what intrigued me about rennes, though i only really

hint at this in the website. i was fascinated by the egyptian quarter aroura

circle, the area of a 5x5 royal cubit square, which when turned into circle

has

circumference of 365.25 inches....one can imagine going up in orders of

magnitude on the circumference 3652.5 inches, 36525 inches, etc to form

concentric

circles, with the area increasing 100 fold each time....

Hi ?,

Quick note, that reference seems to be similar to what I'm working on now in

my work as well. Neal gives a value of the " Root Standard " Egyptian Royal

Cubit in the equation, 12/7 + 1/440 x 12/7 = 1.71818 etc. which is about a

thousandth of a foot at variance with your value of 1.71725 etc. In fact, the

difference in those two values appears to be another inverse fractal portion

of

the very same measure!! My my, this is enjoyable

PS, Aurora is one of those mysteries that I pay close attention to when they

crop up out of the blue, you'd be amazed at some of the coincidental

correlations that I have discovered behind this name/goddess etc.

Well See?

The Mutt

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

I have been doing a bit of vacationing and traveling this week, just got back

from the mountains of NC visiting my son, and next week to the coast to do

some fishing, which is one of my traditions this time of year, so I haven't had

much opportunity to reply to your post as promptly as I would have liked to.

Although I haven't read M.von Franz' Number and Time, I am familiar wtih it

from the works of others such as this hyperlink reference

The Auric Key (Syndex Synergetics Synopsis), which gives a few critical

quotes from it.

I have read Aurora Consurgens however, and found that it contained a crucial

key towards the completion of the interpretation of my own art design called

the Celestial Arena, years ago. In fact, after coming online in 98, and

learning of her demise in the previous year as I recall, that led me to discover

this remarkable group of Jung-Circle/Fire, who keep the spirit of both Jung and

her alive in the world today. I'm sorry, but I didn't catch the link to your

artwork, which I would be very much interested in reviewing if that is possible.

That PS, Aurora, coincident in my previous letter reference, along with your

title heading of " ps " was very intriguing to me. First Greek letter of

Ps-yche, afterall, LOL!

[Guest guest]

Meant to include this repeat w/last post - got interrupted!

The enemy is fanaticism

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - To the Editor of THE EAGLE:-

Given the terrible clash of fundamentalist aspects of the major religions in

the world today, the worldwide attacks on temples, churches, mosques, synagogue

s, and the total convictions of zealots of all stripes, I was chagrined to

read of the narrow definition of a true Christian in a recent letter to The

Eagle. I urge every such Christian to study the teachings of the founders of

other

religions, all of whom also spoke of " The Only Way! "

The problem is that most people do not realize that " way " is not a special

road for special people but means a process, a method, and that all the avatars

recommended the same only way or " how-to " within each individual.

These great teachers revealed to the people of their historical time and

geographical place the bliss that they experienced firsthand in finding God or

the

ultimate meaning in life within themselves, and tried to share it with

humankind. Hinduism, one of the oldest still extant religions, is a good example

of

this and their many gods and goddesses are to be seen as personifications of

the aspects of the One unmanifest Spirit they call Brahman.

If we study the founding of religions, it comes as a shock to find out that

Krishna, Buddha, Lao Tzu, as well as Jesus, had a virgin or miraculous birth.

Viewed symbolically, this tells us that Spirit is the invisible, unknown source

of all life, light, love but that this requires a mortal woman to give it

form. Symbolically, even prehistoric worship of the Mother Goddess or Mother

Earth underscores this. In Judaism, Eve means " mother of all living. "

Religions, then, have two aspects: the outer involves ethics, creeds,

collective customs of worship and literal interpretations; the inner aspect

involves

symbolic understanding which can yield deeper and deeper individual experience

of the Divine. This is why Jesus, Buddha and others spoke in parables,

stories that can be grasped by children and adults on different levels.

The curious thing is that the mystics of all the religions seem to say the

same thing: just as 1 exists in all numbers, so unity underlies all

multiplicity; that the light/life given us by the physical sun can be symbolic

of the " Sun

behind the sun " or the ongoing mystery of Creating. That the flame on all the

candles of the world is the same fire, and, like love, can be shared without

being diminished. That no matter how many lanterns or bodies that Spirit gives

life to, it is the same Spirit!

Thus, it should be logically inconceivable that any truly religious person of

any persuasion should deny the presence of the Divine Guest within any other

human being. Alas, as long as we take things only literally, we fall into the

trap of thinking if my Teacher is right, yours has to be wrong and thus today,

it's " God is on my side, so bang, you're dead! "

All of us, Christians, Jews, Muslims should be more cautious about projecting

evil on one another and see that our real common enemy is this literalism

fomented by structures hungry for centuries for political control and power.

Never in the history of the Earth has it been more important for us to

realize that underlying all the explosions and weaponry of fanaticism are fear

and

ignorance, the total lack of understanding that the great Teachers spoke not of

hatred but of love -- love and awe for the mystery we call God, and love for

one another -- even our enemy -- because, unconscious or not, whoever has life

has also a Divine Guest. Whatever we do to another we are doing to our Self

as well.

How can we acquire this wisdom? Only slowly, one by one by one.

Love

ao

[Guest guest]

Dear , at 03:53 AM 18/01/05, you wrote:

>So your conclusion or implication is - what?

Well, the implication is easy. You guys - like, have been had.

Easy question. Go back to the video of the very hour this happened.

Where -exactly - is the wreckage of the " plane " that hit the pentagon?

No wonder people ask questions. No wonder people wonder.

Have you ever tried to fly an A33O?

Have you ever tried to deliberately hit the goalpost with a foot ball from

50 metres away?

You have to have a lot of experience to do either.

The temperature of a flame is dependant on oxygen, but no you can't melt

titanium with a blowtorch. But who said it was melted?

Some questions stupid. Some questions extremely valid.

.

[Guest guest]

G Heyward wrote:

Dear ,

>Dear , at 03:53 AM 18/01/05, you wrote:

>

>

>

>

>>So your conclusion or implication is - what?

>>

>>

We know, by means of multiple eyewitnesses, the following: Two airplanes

hit the WTC, the buildings collapsed partially, something damaged the

Pentagon, and an airliner was crashed in Pennsylvania.

All right - so what is being suggested is as follows: persons unknown

coordinated an attack on the WTc whereby it is collapsed by mean of

ordinary detonation charges, as usually used to destroy obsolete

buildings. Two commmercial airliners were crashed into the building to

make it look like the work of terrorists.

An aside: Annette states that " buildings tip over when hit, " suggesting

that, beause the WTC buildings did not tip over, that is evidence that

the plane crashes were not what destroyed the building. The problem with

that is that, conspiracy or no conspiracy, the buildings *were* hit with

airplanes- millions of people, including a cousin of mine, saw it - and

yet they did not tip over. If Annette is right, they should have,

regardless. What's up with that?

To continue: OK, detonation experts working for somebody - Karl Rove? We

don't know who - planted bombs and wired the buildings to be collapsed

following the (planned) airplane crashes, and *nobody noticed*. There

were no leaks. Takes some believing.

>

>Well, the implication is easy. You guys - like, have been had.

>

>Easy question. Go back to the video of the very hour this happened.

>

>Where -exactly - is the wreckage of the " plane " that hit the pentagon?

>

>

The story is that most of it was inside, and well shredded. The Pentagon

is not, of course, an ordinary building - it is not an office tower or

your grandmother's summerhouse. It is a " hardened " building designed to

hold up under attack.

If it was not an airplane that damaged it, then what is it supposed to

have been? They didn't hit it with bulldozers - somebody would have

noticed. It must have been another carefully planted bomb, timed to

explode just as the airplane hit.

Presumably the Pennsylvania crash was just a decoy under this scenario.

It was never really intended to hit anything but the ground.

>No wonder people ask questions. No wonder people wonder.

>

>Have you ever tried to fly an A33O?

>Have you ever tried to deliberately hit the goalpost with a foot ball from

>50 metres away?

>You have to have a lot of experience to do either.

>

>

No doubt, but this is a false analogy. I acknowledge that, to fly an

airplane, you have to be able to fly an airplane. People who can fly

airplanes can land jetliners on little strips of concrete, and can land

fighter jets on heaving aircraft carriers. I can easily believe that a

competent pilot could hit a large building with an airplane. As for the

football, if I could sit inside it and make course corrections as I

went, or set its computer guidance system to given GPS coordinates, then

yes, I think I could hit the goal post from fifty meters - or fifty

kilometers - away.

Interested in your further or others' thoughts on this.

Best,

Dan

>The temperature of a flame is dependant on oxygen, but no you can't melt

>titanium with a blowtorch. But who said it was melted?

>Some questions stupid. Some questions extremely valid.

>

>.

>

>

>

>

> " Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings may

be freed from all kinds of unsatisfactory experience and suffering. "

>

>H.H. Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th. Dalai Lama

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dan,

Your logic is perfect.

I only depend on what I read and saw. Exactly how or anything else goes;all

those people died

The people are dead, and the people who flew those planes were not innocent.

Let us get on with the world if we must. I really do not see evil behind every

tree, and what I cannot change is not in my foreground.

There is no way to frighten me , conspiracies or no.

The activity that should actually be paramount is the need to stop suffering and

pain by understanding that violence only breeds more violence.

Toni

Re: PS

omagramps wrote:

Dear Toni,

I have never really looked into this stuff, but this is of interest:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/06/26/france.book/

There are multiple eyewitnesses of plane crashes into both the WTC and

the Pentagon, and eyewitnesses (esp. multiple eyewitnesses - in the case

of NYC, maybe millions) are always preferred by the courts to

speculative " expert testimony. " Still, that said, if airplanes crashed

into the buildings, it doesn't necessarily follow that only airplanes

crashed into (or otherwise attakced) the buildings.

Best,

Dan

>Dan, Annette,

>My husband was for 31 years a pilot in the US AirForce, and in combat in 3

wars.

>He saw nothing wrong with the official description of what happened....In

fact he was glued to the TV the whole time.

>

>I find conspiracy theories fabulous to hear.I love novels with them, but in

real life, I live a life where I don't believe in that much evil afoot. I am not

the suspicious type....

>

>So, if I am wrong, the tragedy still happened. The people died and something

in the human heart with it.

>Color me naive if that describes me.I actually think I am a realist.

>Further I accept the word of a very experienced " command " pilot about this. A

jet pilot, in fact.

>

>Toni

[Guest guest]

omagramps wrote:

Dear Toni,

It actually does matter. We can't just get on with it. If it could be

shown beyond reasonable doubt that the American gov't was behind the 911

attacks, that might be a justification for violent revolution (we've

done it before, for much less).

Best,

Dan

>Dear Dan,

>Your logic is perfect.

>I only depend on what I read and saw. Exactly how or anything else goes;all

those people died

>The people are dead, and the people who flew those planes were not innocent.

>

>Let us get on with the world if we must. I really do not see evil behind every

tree, and what I cannot change is not in my foreground.

>There is no way to frighten me , conspiracies or no.

>

>The activity that should actually be paramount is the need to stop suffering

and pain by understanding that violence only breeds more violence.

>

>Toni

>

>

> Re: PS

>

>

> omagramps wrote:

>

> Dear Toni,

>

> I have never really looked into this stuff, but this is of interest:

> http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/06/26/france.book/

>

> There are multiple eyewitnesses of plane crashes into both the WTC and

> the Pentagon, and eyewitnesses (esp. multiple eyewitnesses - in the case

> of NYC, maybe millions) are always preferred by the courts to

> speculative " expert testimony. " Still, that said, if airplanes crashed

> into the buildings, it doesn't necessarily follow that only airplanes

> crashed into (or otherwise attakced) the buildings.

>

> Best,

>

> Dan

>

> >Dan, Annette,

> >My husband was for 31 years a pilot in the US AirForce, and in combat in 3

wars.

> >He saw nothing wrong with the official description of what happened....In

fact he was glued to the TV the whole time.

> >

> >I find conspiracy theories fabulous to hear.I love novels with them, but in

real life, I live a life where I don't believe in that much evil afoot. I am not

the suspicious type....

> >

> >So, if I am wrong, the tragedy still happened. The people died and something

in the human heart with it.

> >Color me naive if that describes me.I actually think I am a realist.

> >Further I accept the word of a very experienced " command " pilot about this.

A jet pilot, in fact.

> >

> >Toni

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dan,

Please tell me you were joking. The American government?

what have you been smoking?

Oh dear, Dan...what kind of a world do you live in where such a thing could

even be possible?

Toni

Re: PS

omagramps wrote:

Dear Toni,

It actually does matter. We can't just get on with it. If it could be

shown beyond reasonable doubt that the American gov't was behind the 911

attacks, that might be a justification for violent revolution (we've

done it before, for much less).

Best,

Dan

[Guest guest]

omagramps wrote:

Dear Toni,

Haven't you been following these threads? This is clearly what Annette

and others are implying - that 9-11 wasn't a result of Al Quieda (still

can't spell it) terrorist action as reported in the media, but that it

was a conspiracy and a set-up. A set-up by whom? Anyone (exaggerating

slightly) can steal an airplane and crash it into a building, but to put

together the kind of conspiracy and cover-up on American soil that is

being suggested could only be accomplished by agencies of the American

government, working in tight secrecy and in a precisely coordinated

fashion. Could they have had help from foreigners? Sure, but a foreign

government acting alone could not have pulled off the sort of

coordinated, secret actions on American soil that are being suggested.

Much as I enjoy blaming the French for everything, they could not be

blamed for this. If the WTC and Pentagon were destroyed/damaged by

missiles and/or detonation charges while being simultaneously hit by

airplanes as a decoy for public consumption - perhaps in the hope of

whipping up public support for the Iraq war and other foreign adventures

- that was done by agents of the American government. Such an

undertaking, to be successful, would require a very professional

operation with access to everything. You can't set explosive charges in

a building in the middle of NYC without anyone noticing - that means

that you must have the power to threaten all witnesses into silence. We

are talking Stalinism.

If the truth of such a scenario could be demonstrated beyond a

reasonable doubt, as was, for example, the truth about Watergate, then

we are looking not at the usual and tolerable electoral shenanigans, but

ruthless, brutal, naked tyranny of the kind that warrants revolution.

Pardon the vulgarity, but screw Ghandi - where's my gun? Peaceful won't

free us - they certainly haven't freed Tibet. If this theory is true, we

must all take up our arms (or arm ourselves if we haven't), and prepare

for the worst. If the conspiracy theory is right, then the hard left is

right, at least in part - the nation cannot be saved or preserved by

means of the electoral system, and other means must be considered.

Sorry.

Best,

Dan

" Ya say you want a revolution.... "

>Dear Dan,

>Please tell me you were joking. The American government?

>

>what have you been smoking?

>

>Oh dear, Dan...what kind of a world do you live in where such a thing could

even be possible?

>

>Toni

>

>