Re: Metabolic Syndrome / Syndrome X

[Guest guest]

Hi Crisitina,

in my experience once you adjust the diet and lose weight the problem

disappears. I have seen it over and over again. I tend to think about it as an

endocrine problem secondary to faulty diet, not the other way round. Coleus

helps to speed the slimming process up. The hardest thing is to convince people

to give up carbs (esp puddings and breakfast cereals).

Hope it helps

Subject: Metabolic Syndrome / Syndrome X

To: ukherbal-list

Date: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 11:27

 

Hello all,

Any thoughts on treatment protocols for Syndrome X / Metabolic Syndrome please?

Now that the triumvirate of hyperlipidaemia, hypertension and insulin

resistance/diabetes II have been linked and associated, it is clear

that the underlying problem is really in the endocrine system.

When a Px comes to see me with two or all of these together, I will

always ask about other endocrine markers, especially reproductive

health and thyroid health.

I am no longer surprised to hear that the GP has not asked about

other hormone problems in the Px.

Indeed, GPs seem to be either unaware of Metabolic Syndrome, or

reluctant to treat the three conditions (hyperlipidaemia,

hypertension and insulin resistance/diabetes II) as symptoms of an

underlying condition. I think perhaps they simply don't know how to

treat the endocrine system as a whole, and so revert back to habit

and treat the three manifestations as separate conditions. Simpler,

perhaps, for the GP, but it often leads to polypharmacy, with no

treatment for the underlying problem.

So, what can we do as herbalists?

Obviously, we must address the three manifestations, and other

hormonal problems too; and we must also address the diet and

lifestyle. But I'm interested in thinking about supporting and

treating the endocrine system itself.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

Cristina

[Guest guest]

Hi Cristina,

Bergner has a class hand out on Syndrome X that can be found at:

http://medherb.com/Syndrome_X.htm

It focuses on lifestyle change and supplements rather than the use of

herbs but you may find the information interesting.

Kind regards,

Kerry

>

> Hello all,

>

> Any thoughts on treatment protocols for Syndrome X / Metabolic

> Syndrome please?

>

> Now that the triumvirate of hyperlipidaemia, hypertension and insulin

> resistance/diabetes II have been linked and associated, it is clear

> that the underlying problem is really in the endocrine system.

>

> When a Px comes to see me with two or all of these together, I will

> always ask about other endocrine markers, especially reproductive

> health and thyroid health.

>

> I am no longer surprised to hear that the GP has not asked about

> other hormone problems in the Px.

>

> Indeed, GPs seem to be either unaware of Metabolic Syndrome, or

> reluctant to treat the three conditions (hyperlipidaemia,

> hypertension and insulin resistance/diabetes II) as symptoms of an

> underlying condition. I think perhaps they simply don't know how to

> treat the endocrine system as a whole, and so revert back to habit

> and treat the three manifestations as separate conditions. Simpler,

> perhaps, for the GP, but it often leads to polypharmacy, with no

> treatment for the underlying problem.

>

> So, what can we do as herbalists?

>

> Obviously, we must address the three manifestations, and other

> hormonal problems too; and we must also address the diet and

> lifestyle. But I'm interested in thinking about supporting and

> treating the endocrine system itself.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks

> Cristina

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Kerry, that's very useful.

And , thank you for your answer as well.

So a simple protocol of changing the diet and lifestyle is all that

is necessary? (I say " simple " while recognising that such changes

are far from " easy).

It seems to me that there is probably some underlying tendency to

disharmony in the endocrine system for the syndrome to arise. Or am I

tilting at windmills?

Any herbs that can help to strengthen the endocrine system per se?

This may be a redundant or absurd question,since the endocrine system

is synergistic and system wide?

However, when I treat the immune system, which is similarly

synergistic and systemic, I think of specific herbs that can target

that system (for instance Lentinula edodes, Astragalus).

Of course I can also give herbs to support the individual in their

efforts and for their specific needs, but what about herbs for the

whole of the endocrine system?

There is a strange and mysterious conversation that runs between the

thyroid and the reproductive organs. I haven't yet found a way to

eavesdrop on this conversation. Similarly, the adrenals and the

liver, and so forth.

Any further thoughts?

Cristina

>

>

>Hi Cristina,

>

> Bergner has a class hand out on Syndrome X that can be found at:

><http://medherb.com/Syndrome_X.htm>http://medherb.com/Syndrome_X.htm

>It focuses on lifestyle change and supplements rather than the use of

>herbs but you may find the information interesting.

>

>Kind regards,

>Kerry

>

>

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> Any thoughts on treatment protocols for Syndrome X / Metabolic

>> Syndrome please?

>>

>> Now that the triumvirate of hyperlipidaemia, hypertension and insulin

>> resistance/diabetes II have been linked and associated, it is clear

>> that the underlying problem is really in the endocrine system.

>>

>> When a Px comes to see me with two or all of these together, I will

>> always ask about other endocrine markers, especially reproductive

>> health and thyroid health.

>>

>> I am no longer surprised to hear that the GP has not asked about

>> other hormone problems in the Px.

>>

>> Indeed, GPs seem to be either unaware of Metabolic Syndrome, or

>> reluctant to treat the three conditions (hyperlipidaemia,

>> hypertension and insulin resistance/diabetes II) as symptoms of an

>> underlying condition. I think perhaps they simply don't know how to

>> treat the endocrine system as a whole, and so revert back to habit

>> and treat the three manifestations as separate conditions. Simpler,

>> perhaps, for the GP, but it often leads to polypharmacy, with no

>> treatment for the underlying problem.

>>

>> So, what can we do as herbalists?

>>

>> Obviously, we must address the three manifestations, and other

>> hormonal problems too; and we must also address the diet and

>> lifestyle. But I'm interested in thinking about supporting and

>> treating the endocrine system itself.

>>

>> Any thoughts?

>>

>> Thanks

>> Cristina

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Ditch the carbs (sugar and grains)and give pancreatic and liver

remedies. I point them to Marks Daily Apple website.

Thyroid function improves, joint inflammation resolves, PCOS, CFS,

reactive hypos, hypertension, the list goes on and on........

Bergners hand out is top rate as Kerry says.

Best Wishes and Kind Regards,

Zoe Hawes

Medical Herbalist

MNIMH RGN Dip Phyt.

www.herbaljournal.co.uk

www.zoehawes.co.uk

Bath

01761 439 920

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerry,

Do you know where one can view the " diet handout from Dr Rosedale "

mentioned in Bergner's excellent article?

a

[Guest guest]

Ive been able to suggest Dr. Rosedales book to clients. He lays out the

physiology of what is going on w/ Metabolic syndrome very clearly. There is also

supplement suggestions and recipes. However , it tends to be a bit of a 'sell'

of his products- but easily overlooked.Its a paperback: The Rosedale Diet by

Dr. Ron Rosedale ISBN 978 0 06 056573 2 www.rosedalemetabolics.com

To: ukherbal-list

From: erica@...

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 08:35:28 +0000

Subject: Re: Metabolic Syndrome / Syndrome X

Hi Kerry,

Do you know where one can view the " diet handout from Dr Rosedale "

mentioned in Bergner's excellent article?

a

[Guest guest]

Hi Cristina,

generally speaking the faulty diet is the prime suspect in syndrome x (and lack

of exercise), but I think you are right in thinking that some people are more

suseptible than others. It could be genetic tendency (one theory, so called

fetal programming, suggests that a fetus develops ability to make maximum use of

the nutrients from the diet that a mother had during pregnancy, if then

the diet of the child is different, this adaptation may lead to problems like

obesity), or minor thyroid underfunction that leads to being overweight that

then in turn leads to other problems. But once the syndrome has set in the only

way to reverse it is to change the diet and lose weight - honestly, it is as

simple (and as difficult!) as that.

The problem with modern diet is not only the obvious (chocolate, crisps and

coke) but the hidden eg modified starch in virtually everything (why on earth

do we need it?), or traces of hormones in dairy/meat products (or other

mimickers of hormones).

As to balancing the whole endocrine system I would look to nervines and

adaptogens, so you do it through the nervous system. I think the herbalists who

follow Dr Lapraz's view could give you more pointers.

Hope it helps

 

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> Any thoughts on treatment protocols for Syndrome X / Metabolic

>> Syndrome please?

>>

>> Now that the triumvirate of hyperlipidaemia, hypertension and insulin

>> resistance/diabetes II have been linked and associated, it is clear

>> that the underlying problem is really in the endocrine system.

>>

>> When a Px comes to see me with two or all of these together, I will

>> always ask about other endocrine markers, especially reproductive

>> health and thyroid health.

>>

>> I am no longer surprised to hear that the GP has not asked about

>> other hormone problems in the Px.

>>

>> Indeed, GPs seem to be either unaware of Metabolic Syndrome, or

>> reluctant to treat the three conditions (hyperlipidaemia,

>> hypertension and insulin resistance/diabetes II) as symptoms of an

>> underlying condition. I think perhaps they simply don't know how to

>> treat the endocrine system as a whole, and so revert back to habit

>> and treat the three manifestations as separate conditions. Simpler,

>> perhaps, for the GP, but it often leads to polypharmacy, with no

>> treatment for the underlying problem.

>>

>> So, what can we do as herbalists?

>>

>> Obviously, we must address the three manifestations, and other

>> hormonal problems too; and we must also address the diet and

>> lifestyle. But I'm interested in thinking about supporting and

>> treating the endocrine system itself.

>>

>> Any thoughts?

>>

>> Thanks

>> Cristina

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi erica

try the following link

http://www.drrosedale.com/downloads.htm

best wishes

Jacqui

>

> Hi Kerry,

> Do you know where one can view the " diet handout from Dr Rosedale "

> mentioned in Bergner's excellent article?

>

> a

>