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Jellybean,What exercises/skills do you connect with sleeping, excessive shopping, eating, drinking alcohol, etc.?As I said in a post a couple weeks ago, I got rid of a bunch of stuff a few weeks ago without much problem.  I tend to collect things and books especially.  I wasn't really trying  to address this at all - it just sort of happen - I simply didn't feel the strong attachment anymore and gladly got rid of stuff.  I'm not so sure why.  But like you, I put my attachment to objects in the same category as these other experiential avoiding devices (I'm not sure which word I want here - lack of sleep last night so mind not sharp).

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When I completed one of the exercises in the GOOYMAIYL workbook, I listed " accumulation and attachment to objects " as a means of experiential avoidance. I still do not have a grasp on how I can use ACT in this area of my life. I see it in the same category as anything used to fill the " black hole " - sleeping, excessive shopping, eating, drinking alcohol, whatever...

I am unable to connect any of the exercises/skills with this issue. Most likely I am overlooking the obvious.

If anyone can shed light on this, it would be appreciated.

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Hi there,

Well, let's see..I'm not an ACT expert like Russ and the others that Bill said

he'd like to sit on a rock with, but I'll take a stab at this..

more questions than answers...

I guess I'm first wondering if you can say more about the " black hole " you are

referring to? How long has that been around? How deep is it? How much can it

hold? Is it always black? What other feelings and memories and thoughts come up

around that " Black hole " ?

Yes, sure sounds like accumulation and attachment of objects (I have that one

too) could be a part of your suffering in the same category of the other things

you mentioned to the extent it's delaying or undermining your ability to have

the life you want, living your values. So if that's the case, you'd put that on

your suffering list and go forward with the processes to address these things.

Have you identified your values? Practiced any defusion techniques with your

thoughts that feel they have you by the throat? Done any present moment work? Do

you have a sense of contact with your self as context?

Just wondering where are you with all this?

Hang in there..it gets better as you fine tune your values and practice standing

with them, while letting the black hole just be the black hole.

kind regards,

Terry

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> When I completed one of the exercises in the GOOYMAIYL workbook, I listed

" accumulation and attachment to objects " as a means of experiential avoidance. I

still do not have a grasp on how I can use ACT in this area of my life. I see it

in the same category as anything used to fill the " black hole " - sleeping,

excessive shopping, eating, drinking alcohol, whatever...

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> I am unable to connect any of the exercises/skills with this issue. Most

likely I am overlooking the obvious.

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> If anyone can shed light on this, it would be appreciated.

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G - Do you know what you are experientally avoiding? Maybe that's where the effort should be focused. Bill

> To: ACT_for_the_Public > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:23:17 +0000> Subject: Attachment to things...> > When I completed one of the exercises in the GOOYMAIYL workbook, I listed "accumulation and attachment to objects" as a means of experiential avoidance. I still do not have a grasp on how I can use ACT in this area of my life. I see it in the same category as anything used to fill the "black hole" - sleeping, excessive shopping, eating, drinking alcohol, whatever...> > I am unable to connect any of the exercises/skills with this issue. Most likely I am overlooking the obvious. > > If anyone can shed light on this, it would be appreciated.> > > > > ------------------------------------> > For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.org> > If you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may > unsubscribe by sending an email to > ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe@...! Groups Links> > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/> > <*> Your email settings:> Individual Email | Traditional> > <*> To change settings online go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join> (Yahoo! ID required)> > <*> To change settings via email:> ACT_for_the_Public-digest > ACT_for_the_Public-fullfeatured > > <*>

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G- So the cause of the experiential avoidance is the pain of loss? What ACT exercises/core processes will you use to help you live a valued life? BillTo: act_for_the_public From: jellybean112017@...Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:23:50 -0700Subject: Re: Attachment to things...

In response and with thanks to those who replied...Theresa- The black hole is emptiness; a void that has been filled with possessions, etc. The experiential avoidance primarily centers around pain from loss, including the loss of my self.Bill - you're right. The causes for experiential avoidance are the issues to be addressed through ACT exercises. The experiential avoidance strategies are external in nature, so ACT only helps indirectly.Your posts helped clarify this for me...BTW, I enjoyed the Pooh post. As for me, I consider myself comparable to the Velveteen Rabbit waiting for the Magic Fairy to appear... Good night To: ACT_for_the_Public

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G - Do you know what you are experientally avoiding? Maybe that's where the effort should be focused. Bill

> To: ACT_for_the_Public > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:23:17 +0000> Subject: Attachment to things...> > When I completed one of the exercises in the GOOYMAIYL workbook, I listed "accumulation and attachment to objects" as a means of experiential avoidance. I still do not have a grasp on how I can use ACT in this area of my life. I see it in the same category as anything used to fill the "black hole" - sleeping, excessive shopping, eating, drinking alcohol, whatever...> > I am unable to connect any of the exercises/skills with this issue. Most likely I am overlooking the obvious. > > If anyone can shed light on this, it would be appreciated.> > > > > ------------------------------------> > For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.org> > If you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may > unsubscribe by sending an email to > ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe@...! Groups Links> > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/> > <*> Your email settings:> Individual Email | Traditional> > <*> To change settings online go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join> (Yahoo! ID required)> > <*> To change settings via email:> ACT_for_the_Public-digest >

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Hi Everyone, I'm coming in at GG's post. I'm " dropping in " a bit here

in the surfing sense.

From what I've read and the podcasts I've listened to, Experiential

Avoidance applies to internal and external things. Pretty much

anything. Take a look at a list of all the phobias. It can be

anything. But it definitely incudes Internal and external things (eg

feeling anxiety and racing hear / the big spider in the woodshed) both

lead to or are experiences we'd prefer to avoid.

And ACT is aimed at both Mindfulness/Acceptance and Behaviour

Change/values. Both are required to increase psychological

flexibility.

The process of learning ACT, it's been noted elsewhere, usually starts

with developing the mindfullness/acceptance tools then the

behaviour/action stuff. Take a look at how GOOYM and THT progress.

My biggie has always been avoiding stuff, but in particular avoiding

taking ACTION. I can sit and think about being open to criticism at

work. We can discuss it all day long. But I have 101 excuses for

avoiding it - which is an understatement. My problem was I took it all

on board but then froze and couldn't do anything. You need both.

Having gotten a handle on Values and willingness has shocked me - like

the evil spell I was under has broken. I've started to get things

done. Warm regards to BTW ; )

I think (from memory) the Hexaflex powerpoint describes this.

Grant

> Oh, sorry..supposed to read: " May you always feel FREE to read up on

> whatever confuses you " ! :-)

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> It's really not all that complicated--it's just a big ACT term that can (as

> you correctly noted) refer to any avoided experience, internal or external.

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> We all avoid things all the time and that's not the problem.

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> In ACT, the focus is only on the avoidance that seems to continue to

> undermine (or even halt) pursuit of chosen values.

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> Hope that helps some.

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> Terry

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I had a bit of confusion there, so thanks for bearing with me. We all have different ways of expressing the same concepts at times--no worries! That you plan to move forward with ACT is the main thing. Best to you on your journey.Helena

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