Re: was impetigo- now staph

[Guest guest]

I understand that Thyme essential oil is very effective against many strains of

Staph (including MRSA) - may be worth adding a few drops to the poultice.

a

>

> I usually use Chelidonium major and Thyme with Staph.

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

>

>

>

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> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 2:46:50 PM

> Subject: RE: was impetigo- now staph

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>

> Greetings All-

>

> I've had a query from a mother with a 13 year old daughter who started with

> impetigo but is now dealing with intractable staph. She is being followed by

her

> primary physician and has been given 2 rounds of antibiotics. The skin

infection

> was tested negative for MRSA and they are trying myriad topical treatments

along

> with the antibiotics.

>

>

> I'm suggesting a poultice of honey mixed w/ myrrh,goldenseal and comfrey along

> with an internal mix of Echinacea, propolis, baptisia, galium, andrographis

and

> ginger to warm it all up. Along with repairing the damage that the Abx is

doing

> to the gut.

>

> Any suggestions would be appreciated.

> Thanks much-

>

> RH (AHG), MSc. Herbal Medicine

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is my understanding that any topical application runs the risk of spreading

the infection. I have only used internal herbs and occasionally a spray (no

rubbing or movement)

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

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To: ukherbal-list

Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 4:49:02 AM

Subject: Re: was impetigo- now staph

I understand that Thyme essential oil is very effective against many strains of

Staph (including MRSA) - may be worth adding a few drops to the poultice.

a

>

> I usually use Chelidonium major and Thyme with Staph.

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 2:46:50 PM

> Subject: RE: was impetigo- now staph

>

>

>

>

> Greetings All-

>

> I've had a query from a mother with a 13 year old daughter who started with

> impetigo but is now dealing with intractable staph. She is being followed by

>her

>

> primary physician and has been given 2 rounds of antibiotics. The skin

>infection

>

> was tested negative for MRSA and they are trying myriad topical treatments

>along

>

> with the antibiotics.

>

>

> I'm suggesting a poultice of honey mixed w/ myrrh,goldenseal and comfrey along

> with an internal mix of Echinacea, propolis, baptisia, galium, andrographis

and

>

> ginger to warm it all up. Along with repairing the damage that the Abx is

doing

>

> to the gut.

>

> Any suggestions would be appreciated.

> Thanks much-

>

> RH (AHG), MSc. Herbal Medicine

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

A number of years ago I treated a small person with impetigo from which both

staph and strep had been cultured. Well actually impetigo is staph so it would

be hard not to find it.

It began as small patch but he reacted to the antibiotic and developed a rash

which of course meant his skin was compromised and he got widespread impetigo

including up his nose, around his ear and various body parts.

He had been given 4 different Abx plus Fusidin cream over a 4 week period and he

just got worse and worse. He was in a truly dreadful state, from both infection

and reactions to various Abx. His GP had visited the house and told mother he

was now a public health risk and he had to have an Abx for which he had to be

weighed to get dose correct. Poor boy was facing kidney failure due to strep

infection or colitis due to Abx side-effect either of which could have been

fatal.

I got them to dab on some " lotion " every time she looked at him. She did take

him to be weighed and took the Abx away with her, with follow up appointment 3

days later. He didn't have the Abx but when she went back to hospital they said

- look the Abx have worked, but she told him he'd been having herbs instead. At

which point they told her that he was going to clear up anyway! One minute

public health risk, next minute spontaneous remission.

Anyway - to cut to the chase, I gave her a 50/50 mix of Calendula and Commiphora

trs. yes it stings when first applied - but the alcohol helps dry up the weeping

infection. The reason why we don't put ointments etc on impetigo is that the oil

floats on the watery exudate and therefore spreads the infection. Alcohol just

dries but the herbs are anti-infective.

I've used same " lotion' many times since and it works really quickly. You can

almost see the infection clearing. I've been told the stinging stops after the

first few applications.

Personally I wouldn't use a poultice. My guess would be that could harbour the

infection and potentially make the situation worse by spreading it to uninfected

areas.

Alongside give a mixture to support immune system - I usually put in Arctium in

impetigo mixes, along with Echinacea, Commiphora, and often Anemone and anything

else that seems relevant. Plus lots of Vit C and zinc.

all the best

[Guest guest]

Forgot to say what is probably obvious - scrupulous hygiene.

Separate towels etc.

[Guest guest]

Did you use Calendula 90 or 25%?

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

________________________________

To: ukherbal-list

Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 7:00:57 AM

Subject: Re: was impetigo- now staph

Hi

A number of years ago I treated a small person with impetigo from which both

staph and strep had been cultured. Well actually impetigo is staph so it would

be hard not to find it.

It began as small patch but he reacted to the antibiotic and developed a rash

which of course meant his skin was compromised and he got widespread impetigo

including up his nose, around his ear and various body parts.

He had been given 4 different Abx plus Fusidin cream over a 4 week period and he

just got worse and worse. He was in a truly dreadful state, from both infection

and reactions to various Abx. His GP had visited the house and told mother he

was now a public health risk and he had to have an Abx for which he had to be

weighed to get dose correct. Poor boy was facing kidney failure due to strep

infection or colitis due to Abx side-effect either of which could have been

fatal.

I got them to dab on some " lotion " every time she looked at him. She did take

him to be weighed and took the Abx away with her, with follow up appointment 3

days later. He didn't have the Abx but when she went back to hospital they said

- look the Abx have worked, but she told him he'd been having herbs instead. At

which point they told her that he was going to clear up anyway! One minute

public health risk, next minute spontaneous remission.

Anyway - to cut to the chase, I gave her a 50/50 mix of Calendula and Commiphora

trs. yes it stings when first applied - but the alcohol helps dry up the weeping

infection. The reason why we don't put ointments etc on impetigo is that the oil

floats on the watery exudate and therefore spreads the infection. Alcohol just

dries but the herbs are anti-infective.

I've used same " lotion' many times since and it works really quickly. You can

almost see the infection clearing. I've been told the stinging stops after the

first few applications.

Personally I wouldn't use a poultice. My guess would be that could harbour the

infection and potentially make the situation worse by spreading it to uninfected

areas.

Alongside give a mixture to support immune system - I usually put in Arctium in

impetigo mixes, along with Echinacea, Commiphora, and often Anemone and anything

else that seems relevant. Plus lots of Vit C and zinc.

all the best

[Guest guest]

90%

High alcohol. It also means the Commiphora mixes perfectly as it's also 90%.

>

> Did you use Calendula 90 or 25%?

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 7:00:57 AM

> Subject: Re: was impetigo- now staph

>

>

>

> Hi

>

> A number of years ago I treated a small person with impetigo from which both

> staph and strep had been cultured. Well actually impetigo is staph so it would

> be hard not to find it.

>

> It began as small patch but he reacted to the antibiotic and developed a rash

> which of course meant his skin was compromised and he got widespread impetigo

> including up his nose, around his ear and various body parts.

>

> He had been given 4 different Abx plus Fusidin cream over a 4 week period and

he

> just got worse and worse. He was in a truly dreadful state, from both

infection

> and reactions to various Abx. His GP had visited the house and told mother he

> was now a public health risk and he had to have an Abx for which he had to be

> weighed to get dose correct. Poor boy was facing kidney failure due to strep

> infection or colitis due to Abx side-effect either of which could have been

> fatal.

>

>

> I got them to dab on some " lotion " every time she looked at him. She did take

> him to be weighed and took the Abx away with her, with follow up appointment 3

> days later. He didn't have the Abx but when she went back to hospital they

said

> - look the Abx have worked, but she told him he'd been having herbs instead.

At

> which point they told her that he was going to clear up anyway! One minute

> public health risk, next minute spontaneous remission.

>

>

> Anyway - to cut to the chase, I gave her a 50/50 mix of Calendula and

Commiphora

> trs. yes it stings when first applied - but the alcohol helps dry up the

weeping

> infection. The reason why we don't put ointments etc on impetigo is that the

oil

> floats on the watery exudate and therefore spreads the infection. Alcohol just

> dries but the herbs are anti-infective.

>

> I've used same " lotion' many times since and it works really quickly. You can

> almost see the infection clearing. I've been told the stinging stops after the

> first few applications.

>

> Personally I wouldn't use a poultice. My guess would be that could harbour the

> infection and potentially make the situation worse by spreading it to

uninfected

> areas.

> Alongside give a mixture to support immune system - I usually put in Arctium

in

> impetigo mixes, along with Echinacea, Commiphora, and often Anemone and

anything

> else that seems relevant. Plus lots of Vit C and zinc.

>

>

> all the best

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

________________________________

To: ukherbal-list

Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 5:01:15 PM

Subject: Re: was impetigo- now staph

90%

High alcohol. It also means the Commiphora mixes perfectly as it's also 90%.

>

> Did you use Calendula 90 or 25%?

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 7:00:57 AM

> Subject: Re: was impetigo- now staph

>

>

>

> Hi

>

> A number of years ago I treated a small person with impetigo from which both

> staph and strep had been cultured. Well actually impetigo is staph so it would

> be hard not to find it.

>

> It began as small patch but he reacted to the antibiotic and developed a rash

> which of course meant his skin was compromised and he got widespread impetigo

> including up his nose, around his ear and various body parts.

>

> He had been given 4 different Abx plus Fusidin cream over a 4 week period and

>he

>

> just got worse and worse. He was in a truly dreadful state, from both

infection

>

> and reactions to various Abx. His GP had visited the house and told mother he

> was now a public health risk and he had to have an Abx for which he had to be

> weighed to get dose correct. Poor boy was facing kidney failure due to strep

> infection or colitis due to Abx side-effect either of which could have been

> fatal.

>

>

> I got them to dab on some " lotion " every time she looked at him. She did take

> him to be weighed and took the Abx away with her, with follow up appointment 3

> days later. He didn't have the Abx but when she went back to hospital they

said

>

> - look the Abx have worked, but she told him he'd been having herbs instead.

At

>

> which point they told her that he was going to clear up anyway! One minute

> public health risk, next minute spontaneous remission.

>

>

> Anyway - to cut to the chase, I gave her a 50/50 mix of Calendula and

>Commiphora

>

> trs. yes it stings when first applied - but the alcohol helps dry up the

>weeping

>

> infection. The reason why we don't put ointments etc on impetigo is that the

>oil

>

> floats on the watery exudate and therefore spreads the infection. Alcohol just

> dries but the herbs are anti-infective.

>

> I've used same " lotion' many times since and it works really quickly. You can

> almost see the infection clearing. I've been told the stinging stops after the

> first few applications.

>

> Personally I wouldn't use a poultice. My guess would be that could harbour the

> infection and potentially make the situation worse by spreading it to

>uninfected

>

> areas.

> Alongside give a mixture to support immune system - I usually put in Arctium

in

>

> impetigo mixes, along with Echinacea, Commiphora, and often Anemone and

>anything

>

> else that seems relevant. Plus lots of Vit C and zinc.

>

>

> all the best

>

>

>

>

>

>