Re: 2 examples : stress system and Nervous system in Our health

[Guest guest]

Ok, I think we get your point...

being stuck in stress mode affects the brain and its

direction on our Non-stress Nervous system our

Rest/digest/repair system = PNS

The Cholinergic Anti-inflammatory Pathway: A Missing Link

in Neuroimmunomodulation

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1430829/

=========

MSH hormone

it is our evolutionary endocrine stress sysetm that

predates the existence of the H-P-A Axis system

MSH hormone and its 5 cell receptor types are found all

over outside and INSide of our body and brain

MSH is now Part of human's HPA axis

Hypothalamus makes CRH and Vasopressin

POMC gene is formed and cleaves into

Beta Endorphins

MSH

and ACTH.

MSH is made during the HPA axis stress response! and is

made when the brain makes ACTh to tell the Adrenal gladns

to make Cortisol.

and ALernative Doctors /some/ are starting to look at some

things that MSH does

ex) DR Teitelbaum mentions MSH and DR Shomeaker and the

VCC test

Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test (Warning DR SHoemaker is

acting as tho ONLY Mold or etc uses the HPA axis and MSH

systems.. Wrong! our body uses the the MSH/MCR system and

the rest of the HPA axis for all reasons of Eustress and

Distress..

but still they say some interesting things about MSH= are

all of them true ? for all or any patients??

here is 1 Alternative DR views on MSH and weight (2 of the

MCR cell receptors are located in the HYpothaalamus

weight/energy/caloric burn "CENTERS"

and MSH/POMC parts of the HPA axis can and do make a gene/

protein called Agouti and Agouti Related Protein = which

are the ANTagonists to LEPTIN! = eg our Weight control

Hormone/system!

high stres means the HPA axis can make more Agouti/AGRP

proteins =and cause Leptin Resistance! = weight gain .

stress DOES cause weight =if yoru HPA axis/AGRP system

gets unbalanced..

http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/moldandbiotoxins/mshfactsheet.html

============

MSH and Bones and TEETH :^#

i have had issues with my teeth called Abfraction. not bad

enough to worry my dentist.. but it started in teh years

my physcial and life stress got much worse /including

feeling worse on SInthroid and unrecognized "AF" with HIGH

cortisol!

when teh Brain is stressed it increases the HPA axis and

its production of cortisol.. does making More ACTH /enough

to cause Pigment changes anywhere/ mean there is LESS

production of Beta Endorphins and/or MSH??

http://news.discovery.com/tech/tooth-regeneration-gel.html

Tooth Regeneration Gel Could Replace Painful Fillings

"

....The gel or thin film contains a peptide known as MSH,

or melanocyte-stimulating hormone. Previous experiments,

reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of

Sciences, showed that MSH encourages bone regeneration.

Bone and teeth are fairly similar, so the French

scientists reasoned that if the MSH were applied to teeth,

it should help healing as well.

....

"

** when i was taking Calm PRT= PS + Rhodiola,, and doing a

PERFECT "Adrenal Fatiuge" diet -including no coffee or

sugars etc-

my Abfractions FILLED IN!!

Rhodiola and PS help calm ethe HPA axis and normalize all

the Stress hormones,, not just cortisol

my dentist just said ah huh...

and my dental-hygeneist 'went off on me' when i insisted

my Abractions were Cured and NOT hidden under my gums as

she insisted

8^(#)

-Carol

PS i have to get back on the ?Rhodiola?

the PS + rhodiola seemd to lower my cortisol TOO much and

i starlted awake EVERY morning for 6 months, and my

Fasting Blood Glucose went form high 80s to low 70s...

think it was HypOglycemia causing Adrenaline and SNS

rushes..

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy & hl=en & q=msh+mcr+stress++++Limbic+ & aq= & aqi= & aql= & oq= & pbx=1 & bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw. & fp=158f5021afbf0802

[Guest guest]

Very interesting. Was the Calm PRT to help you sleep? Was sleep in general an

issue for you?

JJC

>

>

>

> being stuck in stress mode affects the brain and its direction on our

Non-stress Nervous system our Rest/digest/repair system = PNS

>

> The Cholinergic Anti-inflammatory Pathway: A Missing Link in

Neuroimmunomodulation

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1430829/

>

>

> =========

>

> MSH hormone

> it is our evolutionary endocrine stress sysetm that predates the existence of

the H-P-A Axis system

>

> MSH hormone and its 5 cell receptor types are found all over outside and

INSide of our body and brain

>

> MSH is now Part of human's HPA axis

> Hypothalamus makes CRH and Vasopressin

> POMC gene is formed and cleaves into

> Beta Endorphins

> MSH

> and ACTH.

>

> MSH is made during the HPA axis stress response! and is made when the brain

makes ACTh to tell the Adrenal gladns to make Cortisol.

>

> and ALernative Doctors /some/ are starting to look at some things that MSH

does

> ex) DR Teitelbaum mentions MSH and DR Shomeaker and the VCC test

> Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test (Warning DR SHoemaker is acting as tho ONLY

Mold or etc uses the HPA axis and MSH systems.. Wrong! our body uses the the

MSH/MCR system and the rest of the HPA axis for all reasons of Eustress and

Distress..

>

> but still they say some interesting things about MSH= are all of them true ?

for all or any patients??

>

> here is 1 Alternative DR views on MSH and weight (2 of the MCR cell receptors

are located in the HYpothaalamus weight/energy/caloric burn " CENTERS "

> and MSH/POMC parts of the HPA axis can and do make a gene/ protein called

Agouti and Agouti Related Protein = which are the ANTagonists to LEPTIN! = eg

our Weight control Hormone/system!

>

> high stres means the HPA axis can make more Agouti/AGRP proteins =and cause

Leptin Resistance! = weight gain . stress DOES cause weight =if yoru HPA

axis/AGRP system gets unbalanced..

>

> http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/moldandbiotoxins/mshfactsheet.html

>

> ============

> MSH and Bones and TEETH :^#

>

> i have had issues with my teeth called Abfraction. not bad enough to worry my

dentist.. but it started in teh years my physcial and life stress got much worse

/including feeling worse on SInthroid and unrecognized " AF " with HIGH cortisol!

>

> when teh Brain is stressed it increases the HPA axis and its production of

cortisol.. does making More ACTH /enough to cause Pigment changes anywhere/ mean

there is LESS production of Beta Endorphins and/or MSH??

>

> http://news.discovery.com/tech/tooth-regeneration-gel.html

> Tooth Regeneration Gel Could Replace Painful Fillings

>

> "

> ...The gel or thin film contains a peptide known as MSH, or

melanocyte-stimulating hormone. Previous experiments, reported in the

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, showed that MSH encourages bone

regeneration.

>

> Bone and teeth are fairly similar, so the French scientists reasoned that if

the MSH were applied to teeth, it should help healing as well.

> ...

> "

>

> ** when i was taking Calm PRT= PS + Rhodiola,, and doing a PERFECT " Adrenal

Fatiuge " diet -including no coffee or sugars etc-

> my Abfractions FILLED IN!!

>

> Rhodiola and PS help calm ethe HPA axis and normalize all the Stress

hormones,, not just cortisol

>

> my dentist just said ah huh...

> and my dental-hygeneist 'went off on me' when i insisted my Abractions were

Cured and NOT hidden under my gums as she insisted

> 8^(#)

>

> -Carol

>

> PS i have to get back on the ?Rhodiola?

> the PS + rhodiola seemd to lower my cortisol TOO much and i starlted awake

EVERY morning for 6 months, and my Fasting Blood Glucose went form high 80s to

low 70s... think it was HypOglycemia causing Adrenaline and SNS rushes..

>

>

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy & hl=en & q=msh+mcr+stress++++Limbic+ & aq= & aqi= & aq\

l= & oq= & pbx=1 & bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw. & fp=158f5021afbf0802

>

[Guest guest]

clearly YOu don't get the point

including the fact that comments like yours are the exact reason why we hypot/Af

groups are not much farther along in our understanding of how to help restore

Every patients health ASAP and without making any treatment mistakes that can

and do cause harm and suffering.

there are a LOT of people like me who were left hypot for Decades and a lot of

us from the time we were children. and it is a lot more complex than normalzing

t3 and cortisol.

so congrats . i wonder why you are on any health forum if not learn as

much as you can to help you get well, and hopefully get educated about the

entire Hypot/mistreatment cause regardless of whether YOu share the same

symptoms or not.

pffft

-Carol

> >

> >

> >

> > being stuck in stress mode affects the brain and its direction on our

> > Non-stress Nervous system our Rest/digest/repair system = PNS

> >

> > The Cholinergic Anti-inflammatory Pathway: A Missing Link in

> > Neuroimmunomodulation

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1430829/

> >

> > =========

> >

> > MSH hormone

> > it is our evolutionary endocrine stress sysetm that predates the

> > existence of the H-P-A Axis system

> >

> > MSH hormone and its 5 cell receptor types are found all over outside

> > and INSide of our body and brain

> >

> > MSH is now Part of human's HPA axis

> > Hypothalamus makes CRH and Vasopressin

> > POMC gene is formed and cleaves into

> > Beta Endorphins

> > MSH

> > and ACTH.

> >

> > MSH is made during the HPA axis stress response! and is made when the

> > brain makes ACTh to tell the Adrenal gladns to make Cortisol.

> >

> > and ALernative Doctors /some/ are starting to look at some things that

> > MSH does

> > ex) DR Teitelbaum mentions MSH and DR Shomeaker and the VCC test

> > Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test (Warning DR SHoemaker is acting as

> > tho ONLY Mold or etc uses the HPA axis and MSH systems.. Wrong! our

> > body uses the the MSH/MCR system and the rest of the HPA axis for all

> > reasons of Eustress and Distress..

> >

> > but still they say some interesting things about MSH= are all of them

> > true ? for all or any patients??

> >

> > here is 1 Alternative DR views on MSH and weight (2 of the MCR cell

> > receptors are located in the HYpothaalamus weight/energy/caloric burn

> > " CENTERS "

> > and MSH/POMC parts of the HPA axis can and do make a gene/ protein

> > called Agouti and Agouti Related Protein = which are the ANTagonists

> > to LEPTIN! = eg our Weight control Hormone/system!

> >

> > high stres means the HPA axis can make more Agouti/AGRP proteins =and

> > cause Leptin Resistance! = weight gain . stress DOES cause weight =if

> > yoru HPA axis/AGRP system gets unbalanced..

> >

> > http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/moldandbiotoxins/mshfactsheet.html

> >

> > ============

> > MSH and Bones and TEETH :^#

> >

> > i have had issues with my teeth called Abfraction. not bad enough to

> > worry my dentist.. but it started in teh years my physcial and life

> > stress got much worse /including feeling worse on SInthroid and

> > unrecognized " AF " with HIGH cortisol!

> >

> > when teh Brain is stressed it increases the HPA axis and its

> > production of cortisol.. does making More ACTH /enough to cause

> > Pigment changes anywhere/ mean there is LESS production of Beta

> > Endorphins and/or MSH??

> >

> > http://news.discovery.com/tech/tooth-regeneration-gel.html

> > Tooth Regeneration Gel Could Replace Painful Fillings

> >

> > "

> > ...The gel or thin film contains a peptide known as MSH, or

> > melanocyte-stimulating hormone. Previous experiments, reported in the

> > Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, showed that MSH

> > encourages bone regeneration.

> >

> > Bone and teeth are fairly similar, so the French scientists reasoned

> > that if the MSH were applied to teeth, it should help healing as well.

> > ...

> > "

> >

> > ** when i was taking Calm PRT= PS + Rhodiola,, and doing a PERFECT

> > " Adrenal Fatiuge " diet -including no coffee or sugars etc-

> > my Abfractions FILLED IN!!

> >

> > Rhodiola and PS help calm ethe HPA axis and normalize all the Stress

> > hormones,, not just cortisol

> >

> > my dentist just said ah huh...

> > and my dental-hygeneist 'went off on me' when i insisted my Abractions

> > were Cured and NOT hidden under my gums as she insisted

> > 8^(#)

> >

> > -Carol

> >

> > PS i have to get back on the ?Rhodiola?

> > the PS + rhodiola seemd to lower my cortisol TOO much and i starlted

> > awake EVERY morning for 6 months, and my Fasting Blood Glucose went

> > form high 80s to low 70s... think it was HypOglycemia causing

> > Adrenaline and SNS rushes..

> >

> >

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy & hl=en & q=msh+mcr+stress++++Limbic+ & aq= & aqi= & aq\

l= & oq= & pbx=1 & bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw. & fp=158f5021afbf0802

> >

<http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy & hl=en & q=msh+mcr+stress++++Limbic+ & aq= & aqi= & a\

ql= & oq= & pbx=1 & bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw. & fp=158f5021afbf0802>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ps -that form in calm prt - is supposed to lower cortisol levels in general and

also the ps helps somethign related to our Myelin sheathes. some ADD (or ADHD?)

groups use it for their kids. basically it is a supplemetn that does more than

1 thing in the body

the Rhodiola is supposed to normalize our biogenic amines = Dopamine

Noradrenaline (adrenaline) (and HistAmine etc.)

and the biogenic Amines 'mediate' Vasopressin espeically. Conventiaonl medical

literature notes that Vasopressin becomes the 'mediator' of the HPA axis during

*Chronic stress, which means Cortisol is no longer the 'mediator' of the HPA

axis =which is why the adenals continue to pump out high levels of cortisol and

the brain keeps asking for more ..

Vasopressin is made by a part of the brain called the HYpothalamus. and

increases all the HPA axis stress horones -which is why most High-cortisol AF

folks share Most of the same symtpoms as Low cortisol folks

giving Cortisol for those symptoms will not help anyeon who still has high or

/normal/ cortisol as in most cases, that won't turn down the HPA axis.. another

reason to learn what are truly low cortisol symtpoms vs other H*Pa axis hormone

sytmposm.

so basiaclly Normalizing the HPA axis will help people sleep well and reach all

stages of sleep.

but Rhodiola would be best taken in the AM vs the PM =espeically if one had

trouble sleeping or super sensitive to any supplements! the PS i think you

could take at morning and night for high cortisol folks.

-Carol

i didnt' have trouble falling asleep tho only slept for 7 hours but it was

Unrefreshing sleep. always. i got all teh FM symtpoms by my 10th year of being

hypot as a " Treated " hypot patient. that is when my cortisol and entire

stress-system incrrased. before that, i used to be able to sleep for 8-9 hours

:^) and take a nap too. and felt more rested waking up in the am. the good old

day s of being hypot ;/

> >

> >

> >

> > being stuck in stress mode affects the brain and its direction on our

Non-stress Nervous system our Rest/digest/repair system = PNS

> >

> > The Cholinergic Anti-inflammatory Pathway: A Missing Link in

Neuroimmunomodulation

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1430829/

> >

> >

> > =========

> >

> > MSH hormone

> > it is our evolutionary endocrine stress sysetm that predates the existence

of the H-P-A Axis system

> >

> > MSH hormone and its 5 cell receptor types are found all over outside and

INSide of our body and brain

> >

> > MSH is now Part of human's HPA axis

> > Hypothalamus makes CRH and Vasopressin

> > POMC gene is formed and cleaves into

> > Beta Endorphins

> > MSH

> > and ACTH.

> >

> > MSH is made during the HPA axis stress response! and is made when the brain

makes ACTh to tell the Adrenal gladns to make Cortisol.

> >

> > and ALernative Doctors /some/ are starting to look at some things that MSH

does

> > ex) DR Teitelbaum mentions MSH and DR Shomeaker and the VCC test

> > Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test (Warning DR SHoemaker is acting as tho ONLY

Mold or etc uses the HPA axis and MSH systems.. Wrong! our body uses the the

MSH/MCR system and the rest of the HPA axis for all reasons of Eustress and

Distress..

> >

> > but still they say some interesting things about MSH= are all of them true ?

for all or any patients??

> >

> > here is 1 Alternative DR views on MSH and weight (2 of the MCR cell

receptors are located in the HYpothaalamus weight/energy/caloric burn " CENTERS "

> > and MSH/POMC parts of the HPA axis can and do make a gene/ protein called

Agouti and Agouti Related Protein = which are the ANTagonists to LEPTIN! = eg

our Weight control Hormone/system!

> >

> > high stres means the HPA axis can make more Agouti/AGRP proteins =and cause

Leptin Resistance! = weight gain . stress DOES cause weight =if yoru HPA

axis/AGRP system gets unbalanced..

> >

> > http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/moldandbiotoxins/mshfactsheet.html

> >

> > ============

> > MSH and Bones and TEETH :^#

> >

> > i have had issues with my teeth called Abfraction. not bad enough to worry

my dentist.. but it started in teh years my physcial and life stress got much

worse /including feeling worse on SInthroid and unrecognized " AF " with HIGH

cortisol!

> >

> > when teh Brain is stressed it increases the HPA axis and its production of

cortisol.. does making More ACTH /enough to cause Pigment changes anywhere/ mean

there is LESS production of Beta Endorphins and/or MSH??

> >

> > http://news.discovery.com/tech/tooth-regeneration-gel.html

> > Tooth Regeneration Gel Could Replace Painful Fillings

> >

> > "

> > ...The gel or thin film contains a peptide known as MSH, or

melanocyte-stimulating hormone. Previous experiments, reported in the

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, showed that MSH encourages bone

regeneration.

> >

> > Bone and teeth are fairly similar, so the French scientists reasoned that if

the MSH were applied to teeth, it should help healing as well.

> > ...

> > "

> >

> > ** when i was taking Calm PRT= PS + Rhodiola,, and doing a PERFECT " Adrenal

Fatiuge " diet -including no coffee or sugars etc-

> > my Abfractions FILLED IN!!

> >

> > Rhodiola and PS help calm ethe HPA axis and normalize all the Stress

hormones,, not just cortisol

> >

> > my dentist just said ah huh...

> > and my dental-hygeneist 'went off on me' when i insisted my Abractions were

Cured and NOT hidden under my gums as she insisted

> > 8^(#)

> >

> > -Carol

> >

> > PS i have to get back on the ?Rhodiola?

> > the PS + rhodiola seemd to lower my cortisol TOO much and i starlted awake

EVERY morning for 6 months, and my Fasting Blood Glucose went form high 80s to

low 70s... think it was HypOglycemia causing Adrenaline and SNS rushes..

> >

> >

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy & hl=en & q=msh+mcr+stress++++Limbic+ & aq= & aqi= & aq\

l= & oq= & pbx=1 & bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw. & fp=158f5021afbf0802

> >

>