Re: Re: Iodine/Iodoral question - Sam

[Guest guest]

LOL! Well, I’m glad I’m taking the iodine Do you think I should raise my dose of it as I get used to tolerating this amount? I did feel warmer today which was actually good!

Dr. Reiss did give me some T3 about 3 years ago to try, but it really made me anxious so I quit. And the UK doctor who is conservative thought I should try some supplements first as well, before something more intense. I hope that all of these supplements can build it up. He feels that HGH which I have been doing for about 3 months will really help which is why he didn’t give me anything else this time through. But I will test again in May.

Thanks again!

Nora

Reply-To: <rhythmicliving >

Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:36:54 -0700 (PDT)

To: <rhythmicliving >

Subject: Re: Re: Iodine/Iodoral question - Sam

Oh my, you're Free T3 and Free T4 are below mid-range. I ideally they

should be near the top or a bit above range. Regardless of what " scale " is

used, look to see where your numbers are within their respective ranges.

Sam

=====

> Thanks Sam!

>

> I didn’t actually take my temperature, but maybe it’s something I should

> do

> just to have a benchmark. I just feel much warmer and get warmer much

> quicker, so I am assuming my internal thermostat is moving.

>

> In December, these were my T numbers taken by Uzzi Reiss:

>

> Free T3 – 2.8 (ref range 1.8 – 4.2)

> Free T4 – 1.2 (ref range .8 – 1.9)

>

> I had a better work up done in the UK in November, but they use a

> different

> scale here. However, I am at a much lower end of the range in the UK.

>

> Nora

>

>

>

>

> From: <k9gang@... <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> >

> Reply-To: <rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> >

> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:41:51 -0700 (PDT)

> To: <rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> >

> Subject: Re: Re: Iodine/Iodoral question - Sam

>

>

>

>

> Yes, it can raise body temperature. But please remember that the human

> body requires a specific amount of iodine/iodide to work properly. YOu

> said your thyroid " runs on the low side " ? Iodoral should help with that -

> your thyroid should not run on the low side, because it regulates your

> entire metaboloism.

>

> Sam

> (50mg Iodoral and temp at 98.6-ish)

>

> =====

>> Hi Sam,

>> I have been doing the one 12.5 pill of Iodoral for about a week now. In

>> the

>> last 3 – 4 days, I’ve noticed that my body is running hotter. I feel

>> warmer

>> temperature wise, when I workout I sweat more and get warmer much

>> quicker,

>> etc. It’s almost like a fever at times, but not quite. This is the

>> only

>> change I’ve made in the last week so I can’t really point to anything

>> else

>> different. My thyroid has always run on the low side, I am tall with

>> the

>> cold hands and feet thing, but aside from one try about 3 years ago of a

>> little T 3 (from Uzzi Reiss) which made me anxious, haven’t done

>> anything

>> else. This time with my blood workups in December, Uzzi Reiss thought

>> my

>> new vitamin regime would be enough. Could this temperature change be

>> the

>> results of Iodine? Showing that I was really deficient? Do you think I

>> do

>> a half of one? It’s not terribly uncomfortable, just strange.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>> Nora

>>

>>

>>

>> From: <k9gang@... <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> >

>> Reply-To: <rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> >

>> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:59:00 -0700 (PDT)

>> To: <rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>

>> Subject: Re: What is behind WP not working for any

>> length

>> of time?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> 12.5mg is an adequate maintenance dose. At 25mg iodolipids start to form

>> and I guess those are the little fixer-upper nano-bot thingies that

>> repair

>> stuff - sorry if I'm not using scientific terms (eg " nano-bot). I'm

>> told

>> 50mg is a better dose for iodolipids to form, tho. There are people I

>> know

>> personally who are on 100mg Iodoral to cure thyroid cancer.

>>

>> The best priced place to get it, that I am aware of, is still via

>> www.breastcancerchoices.org You can also check out a few naturopaths

>> where you will be at in the US, because some of them do carry it. One of

>> my local naturopaths carries it (I'm in northwestern Washington State).

>>

>> Sam

>>

>> =====

>>> Hi Sam,

>>> I just ordered Iodoral and started it this week – 12.5 (one pill). Is

>>> there

>>> a reason you take such a large dose? I’m just looking to add this to

>>> my

>>> overall healthy support plan.

>>>

>>> And do you have a place you order this online? I am coming to the

>>> states

>>> in

>>> May and just know it’s going to be cheaper to buy it there.

>>>

>>> Thanks!

>>>

>>> Nora

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> From: <k9gang@... <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org>

> <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> >

>>> Reply-To: <rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> >

>>> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT)

>>> To: <rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>>

>>> Subject: Re: Re: What is behind WP not working for any

>>> length of time?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Remember the hormone chart?

>>> http://www.blissfullfeelings.com/metabolicpathways.jpg

>>> Here's another:

>>> http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn951426844X/html/graphic99.png

>>> I haven't a clue how or even if cortisol lowers E.

>>>

>>> I dosed sex hormones strictly by symptoms, while keeping a relatively

>>> stable dose of adrenal support (7.5mg time release prednisoLone) for

>>> quite

>>> some time. After adding Iodoral 50mg I eventually needed to lower E and

>>> discontinued the prednisoLone after that. Added fludrocortisone in

>>> November 2007, E remained stable...added 5mg pregnenolone last month

>>> and

>>> E

>>> remains stable.

>>>

>>> Sam

>>>

>>> =====

>>>> Virginia

>>>> that's a good question re: why cortisol would lower E. if anyone

>>>> knows the answer to that one, i'd sure be interested...

>>>>

>>>> In regards to supplemnting w/progesterone first, you mean that if all

>>>> hormones, E, T, P and DHEA are low, then to supplement with P first,

>>>> right? not if just E and T are low...

>>>>

>>>> Just clarifying, because if looking at the pathways, that would make

>>>> sense... but only if the P was low too...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> If you look at a good chart showing steroid hormone metabolism (the

>>>> one

>>>>> in 's book is too simple), you'll see that P can go

>>>> down

>>>>> several pathways and can contribute to making cortisol,

>>>> progesterone,

>>>>> testosterone and all the estrogens. From what I've learned, when

>>>> giving

>>>>> bio-identical sex hormones, doctors should supplement with

>>>> progesterone

>>>>> first before adding any E or T or DHEA. After a few months on P,

>>>>> another saliva test should be run to see how P has affected the

>>>> levels

>>>>> of the other hormones. (It can raise E also because it stimulates

>>>> the E

>>>>> receptors--so the E we have floating around in our fat cells can

>>>> find

>>>>> open receptors now.)

>>>>>

>>>>> It seems that cortisol/cortisone can lower E, but I don't know why

>>>> yet.

>>>>> It doesn't seem to have a metabolic pathway to E. Does anyone know

>>>> why?

>>>>>

>>>>> Virginia

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Probably...maybe...er, go with how you feel.

Remember to take 3 to 4 grams Vitamin C to help with detox and also read

the iprotocol on the breastcancerchoices.org site.

About that T3 your doctor had given you...

Synthetic T3, premarin, progestins, etc...are synthetic hormones, and in

my opinion about as useful as a dead skunk in a swimming pool.

Sam

=====

> LOL! Well, I¹m glad I¹m taking the iodine Do you think I should raise

> my dose of it as I get used to tolerating this amount? I did feel warmer

> today which was actually good!

>

> Dr. Reiss did give me some T3 about 3 years ago to try, but it really made

> me anxious so I quit. And the UK doctor who is conservative thought I

> should try some supplements first as well, before something more intense.

> I

> hope that all of these supplements can build it up. He feels that HGH

> which

> I have been doing for about 3 months will really help which is why he

> didn¹t

> give me anything else this time through. But I will test again in May.

>

> Thanks again!

>

> Nora

>

>

>

>

> Reply-To: <rhythmicliving >

> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:36:54 -0700 (PDT)

> To: <rhythmicliving >

> Subject: Re: Re: Iodine/Iodoral question - Sam

>

>

>

>

> Oh my, you're Free T3 and Free T4 are below mid-range. I ideally they

> should be near the top or a bit above range. Regardless of what " scale " is

> used, look to see where your numbers are within their respective ranges.

>

> Sam

>

> =====

>> Thanks Sam!

>>

>> I didn¹t actually take my temperature, but maybe it¹s something I should

>> do

>> just to have a benchmark. I just feel much warmer and get warmer much

>> quicker, so I am assuming my internal thermostat is moving.

>>

>> In December, these were my T numbers taken by Uzzi Reiss:

>>

>> Free T3 ­ 2.8 (ref range 1.8 ­ 4.2)

>> Free T4 ­ 1.2 (ref range .8 ­ 1.9)

>>

>> I had a better work up done in the UK in November, but they use a

>> different

>> scale here. However, I am at a much lower end of the range in the UK.

>>

>> Nora

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> From: <k9gang@... <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> >

>> Reply-To: <rhythmicliving

> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> >

>> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:41:51 -0700 (PDT)

>> To: <rhythmicliving

>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>

>> Subject: Re: Re: Iodine/Iodoral question - Sam

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Yes, it can raise body temperature. But please remember that the human

>> body requires a specific amount of iodine/iodide to work properly. YOu

>> said your thyroid " runs on the low side " ? Iodoral should help with that

>> -

>> your thyroid should not run on the low side, because it regulates your

>> entire metaboloism.

>>

>> Sam

>> (50mg Iodoral and temp at 98.6-ish)

>>

>> =====

>>> Hi Sam,

>>> I have been doing the one 12.5 pill of Iodoral for about a week now.

>>> In

>>> the

>>> last 3 ­ 4 days, I¹ve noticed that my body is running hotter. I feel

>>> warmer

>>> temperature wise, when I workout I sweat more and get warmer much

>>> quicker,

>>> etc. It¹s almost like a fever at times, but not quite. This is the

>>> only

>>> change I¹ve made in the last week so I can¹t really point to anything

>>> else

>>> different. My thyroid has always run on the low side, I am tall with

>>> the

>>> cold hands and feet thing, but aside from one try about 3 years ago of

>>> a

>>> little T 3 (from Uzzi Reiss) which made me anxious, haven¹t done

>>> anything

>>> else. This time with my blood workups in December, Uzzi Reiss thought

>>> my

>>> new vitamin regime would be enough. Could this temperature change be

>>> the

>>> results of Iodine? Showing that I was really deficient? Do you think

>>> I

>>> do

>>> a half of one? It¹s not terribly uncomfortable, just strange.

>>>

>>> Thanks!

>>>

>>> Nora

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> From: <k9gang@... <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org>

> <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> >

>>> Reply-To: <rhythmicliving

> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> >

>>> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:59:00 -0700 (PDT)

>>> To: <rhythmicliving

>>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>>

>>> Subject: Re: What is behind WP not working for any

>>> length

>>> of time?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> 12.5mg is an adequate maintenance dose. At 25mg iodolipids start to

>>> form

>>> and I guess those are the little fixer-upper nano-bot thingies that

>>> repair

>>> stuff - sorry if I'm not using scientific terms (eg " nano-bot). I'm

>>> told

>>> 50mg is a better dose for iodolipids to form, tho. There are people I

>>> know

>>> personally who are on 100mg Iodoral to cure thyroid cancer.

>>>

>>> The best priced place to get it, that I am aware of, is still via

>>> www.breastcancerchoices.org You can also check out a few naturopaths

>>> where you will be at in the US, because some of them do carry it. One

>>> of

>>> my local naturopaths carries it (I'm in northwestern Washington State).

>>>

>>> Sam

>>>

>>> =====

>>>> Hi Sam,

>>>> I just ordered Iodoral and started it this week ­ 12.5 (one pill). Is

>>>> there

>>>> a reason you take such a large dose? I¹m just looking to add this to

>>>> my

>>>> overall healthy support plan.

>>>>

>>>> And do you have a place you order this online? I am coming to the

>>>> states

>>>> in

>>>> May and just know it¹s going to be cheaper to buy it there.

>>>>

>>>> Thanks!

>>>>

>>>> Nora

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> From: <k9gang@... <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org>

> <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org>

>> <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> >

>>>> Reply-To: <rhythmicliving

> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> >

>>>> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT)

>>>> To: <rhythmicliving

> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>>> <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>>>>

>>>> Subject: Re: Re: What is behind WP not working for

>>>> any

>>>> length of time?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Remember the hormone chart?

>>>> http://www.blissfullfeelings.com/metabolicpathways.jpg

>>>> Here's another:

>>>> http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn951426844X/html/graphic99.png

>>>> I haven't a clue how or even if cortisol lowers E.

>>>>

>>>> I dosed sex hormones strictly by symptoms, while keeping a relatively

>>>> stable dose of adrenal support (7.5mg time release prednisoLone) for

>>>> quite

>>>> some time. After adding Iodoral 50mg I eventually needed to lower E

>>>> and

>>>> discontinued the prednisoLone after that. Added fludrocortisone in

>>>> November 2007, E remained stable...added 5mg pregnenolone last month

>>>> and

>>>> E

>>>> remains stable.

>>>>

>>>> Sam

>>>>

>>>> =====

>>>>> Virginia

>>>>> that's a good question re: why cortisol would lower E. if anyone

>>>>> knows the answer to that one, i'd sure be interested...

>>>>>

>>>>> In regards to supplemnting w/progesterone first, you mean that if all

>>>>> hormones, E, T, P and DHEA are low, then to supplement with P first,

>>>>> right? not if just E and T are low...

>>>>>

>>>>> Just clarifying, because if looking at the pathways, that would make

>>>>> sense... but only if the P was low too...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If you look at a good chart showing steroid hormone metabolism (the

>>>>> one

>>>>>> in 's book is too simple), you'll see that P can go

>>>>> down

>>>>>> several pathways and can contribute to making cortisol,

>>>>> progesterone,

>>>>>> testosterone and all the estrogens. From what I've learned, when

>>>>> giving

>>>>>> bio-identical sex hormones, doctors should supplement with

>>>>> progesterone

>>>>>> first before adding any E or T or DHEA. After a few months on P,

>>>>>> another saliva test should be run to see how P has affected the

>>>>> levels

>>>>>> of the other hormones. (It can raise E also because it stimulates

>>>>> the E

>>>>>> receptors--so the E we have floating around in our fat cells can

>>>>> find

>>>>>> open receptors now.)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It seems that cortisol/cortisone can lower E, but I don't know why

>>>>> yet.

>>>>>> It doesn't seem to have a metabolic pathway to E. Does anyone know

>>>>> why?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Virginia

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>