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Hi

I use Avicenna's 1:3 25% decocted tincture - have just been trying to find

details of a recent Rx to give an example dosage, I'm fairly sure I've used it

at about 30mls in a 100ml Rx, to be used 5mls tds-qds. Just can't for the life

of me think which pt I used it for so can't find details. I think it was for

dysmenorrhoea most recently. I've also used Donnie Yance's capsule formulation

" Corydalis Plus " by Natura Health Products - 2 caps, bid - tds. In her series of

seminars on natural medicines and cancer, Chanchal Cabrera described Corydalis

as one of the most potent herbal pain remedies and sedatives, good for anxiety

of pain, warming and bitter (unusual), 1/3rd as potent as morphine, non-habit

forming and non-constipating, blood tonic and vitalising, increases cardiac

profusion.

Hope this is helpful

Sue Salmon, Huddersfield

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Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also and

have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual it

seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a misjudged

constitutional issue on my part...

Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the Tincture??

I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety, esp

for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for period

pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

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Corydalis PIS is really great with pain that has a spastic quality to it, but I

have not had pts complaining of wind. I also use the herbs you mention. For

fibromyalgic pain I usually use Nattokinase, which relaxes the tight muscle

spindles in FM pts.

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

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Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 7:01:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re pain

Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also and

have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual it

seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a misjudged

constitutional issue on my part...

Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the Tincture??

I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety, esp

for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for period

pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

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Dear

Can you tell me more about nattokinase please?

Medical Herbalist

> Corydalis PIS is really great with pain that has a spastic quality to it, but

I

> have not had pts complaining of wind. I also use the herbs you mention. For

> fibromyalgic pain I usually use Nattokinase, which relaxes the tight muscle

> spindles in FM pts.

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 7:01:13 PM

> Subject: Re: Re pain

>

> Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also

and

> have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

> swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual it

> seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

> with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a

misjudged

> constitutional issue on my part...

>

> Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the

Tincture??

>

> I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety, esp

> for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for period

> pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

>

>

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It's an enzyme extracted from pineapples and digests fibres formed during the

inflammatory process.

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

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To: " ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list >

Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 12:01:22 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Re pain

Dear

Can you tell me more about nattokinase please?

Medical Herbalist

> Corydalis PIS is really great with pain that has a spastic quality to it, but

I

>

> have not had pts complaining of wind. I also use the herbs you mention. For

> fibromyalgic pain I usually use Nattokinase, which relaxes the tight muscle

> spindles in FM pts.

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 7:01:13 PM

> Subject: Re: Re pain

>

> Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also

>and

>

> have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

> swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual it

> seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

> with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a

>misjudged

>

> constitutional issue on my part...

>

> Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the

Tincture??

>

> I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety, esp

> for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for period

> pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

>

>

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Serrapeptase is an enzyme used by silk worms to digest their cocoons. It has

been shown to digest non-living matter in our bodies and there is some evidence

that it can be helpful in atherosclerosis. Could this be similar to nattokinase?

Re: Re pain

>

> Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also

>and

>

> have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

> swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual

it

> seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

> with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a

>misjudged

>

> constitutional issue on my part...

>

> Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the

Tincture??

>

> I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety,

esp

> for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for

period

> pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

>

>

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Thanks , can I ask, what dose do you use and how effective do you find it

for FM?

How long before you see results?

Thank you

A

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> It's an enzyme extracted from pineapples and digests fibres formed during the

> inflammatory process.

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list >

> Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 12:01:22 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Re pain

>

> Dear

>

> Can you tell me more about nattokinase please?

>

> Medical Herbalist

>

>

>

> > Corydalis PIS is really great with pain that has a spastic quality to it,

but I

> >

> > have not had pts complaining of wind. I also use the herbs you mention. For

> > fibromyalgic pain I usually use Nattokinase, which relaxes the tight muscle

> > spindles in FM pts.

> > J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> > Herbalist

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: ukherbal-list

> > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 7:01:13 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re pain

> >

> > Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also

> >and

> >

> > have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

> > swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual

it

>

> > seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

> > with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a

> >misjudged

> >

> > constitutional issue on my part...

> >

> > Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the

> Tincture??

> >

> > I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety,

esp

> > for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for

period

>

> > pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

> >

> >

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I use 200mg BID. Usually the same day.

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

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Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 1:47:29 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Re pain

Thanks , can I ask, what dose do you use and how effective do you find it

for FM?

How long before you see results?

Thank you

A

Medical Herbalist

> It's an enzyme extracted from pineapples and digests fibres formed during the

> inflammatory process.

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list >

> Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 12:01:22 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Re pain

>

> Dear

>

> Can you tell me more about nattokinase please?

>

> Medical Herbalist

>

>

>

> > Corydalis PIS is really great with pain that has a spastic quality to it,

but

>I

>

> >

> > have not had pts complaining of wind. I also use the herbs you mention. For

> > fibromyalgic pain I usually use Nattokinase, which relaxes the tight muscle

> > spindles in FM pts.

> > J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> > Herbalist

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: ukherbal-list

> > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 7:01:13 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re pain

> >

> > Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also

> >and

> >

> > have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

> > swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual

>it

>

>

> > seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

> > with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a

> >misjudged

> >

> > constitutional issue on my part...

> >

> > Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the

> Tincture??

> >

> > I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety,

esp

>

> > for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for

>period

>

>

> > pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

> >

> >

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Yes, very similar. I use serrapeptidase as well. And for advanced ca. pts where

Nattokinase is not reducing d-dimer sufficiently I use lumbrokinase (from

earthworms).

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

________________________________

To: ukherbal-list

Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 12:35:52 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Re pain

Serrapeptase is an enzyme used by silk worms to digest their cocoons. It has

been shown to digest non-living matter in our bodies and there is some evidence

that it can be helpful in atherosclerosis. Could this be similar to nattokinase?

Re: Re pain

>

> Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also

>and

>

> have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

> swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual it

> seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

> with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a

>misjudged

>

> constitutional issue on my part...

>

> Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the

Tincture??

>

> I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety, esp

> for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for period

> pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

>

>

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I thought it was from fermented soya beans ( ie natto ) ?

regards ,annette

Re: Re pain

>

> Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also

>and

>

> have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

> swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual

it

> seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

> with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a

>misjudged

>

> constitutional issue on my part...

>

> Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the

Tincture??

>

> I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety,

esp

> for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for

period

> pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

>

>

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Ah, can anyone confirm the source, the patient I had in mind has a problem with

soya...

Medical Herbalist

On 9 Sep 2010, at 07:41 PM, " Annette Wass "

wrote:

> I thought it was from fermented soya beans ( ie natto ) ?

> regards ,annette

> Re: Re pain

> >

> > Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also

> >and

> >

> > have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

> > swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual

it

>

> > seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

> > with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a

> >misjudged

> >

> > constitutional issue on my part...

> >

> > Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the

> Tincture??

> >

> > I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety,

esp

> > for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for

period

>

> > pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

> >

> >

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You're right - I just checked the bottle. I do have an FM pt who is also

allergic to soy and she is doing very well with it. There may be other

sources. J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

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Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 4:28:47 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Re pain

Ah, can anyone confirm the source, the patient I had in mind has a problem with

soya...

Medical Herbalist

On 9 Sep 2010, at 07:41 PM, " Annette Wass "

wrote:

> I thought it was from fermented soya beans ( ie natto ) ?

> regards ,annette

> Re: Re pain

> >

> > Just to add to this debate I have used the Corydalis PIS Natura product also

> >and

> >

> > have some patients who are maintained on it alone who had bad arthritis with

> > swelling and alot of pain. Although its pricey when it suits the individual

>it

>

>

> > seems to work very well. I've had some patients who have had alot of xs wind

> > with the capsules, or who felt they didn't agree with them, probably a

> >misjudged

> >

> > constitutional issue on my part...

> >

> > Sue have you experienced this? Either with the natura product or the

> Tincture??

> >

> > I also use Piscidea erythrea FE (Proline) both pain and also for anxiety,

esp

>

> > for insomnia with debility..where its chronic. I find its excellent for

>period

>

>

> > pains with a little FE ginger and vib op/pru too..

> >

> >

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