defusing images or confusing images?

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Hi,

Thanks for the reply Grant.

Yes, I definitely think this is defusion. It feels the same as when I use the ‘milk

milk technique’ to defuse from a word. I find that you can easily experience

this by just laying your hand down on a table (A white table works well) and

just staring at it. After a while the mind seems to lose the connection between

the visual image and the perceived reality of what your hand is; The result is

a very weird looking part of some kind of strange being. The way I see the milk,

milk exercise is that when we normally say milk it pushes a button (So to

speak) in the mind that produces an artificial milk in our mind. This

artificial milk is an artificial reality- it can't possibly be real milk. When

we say milk over and over the mind perceives the word milk to be

something quite different to the artificial reality milk that is filed away in

the brain waiting to come out if the right button is pressed (i.e. you hear

milk, you say milk, you see some milk – you drink some milk). You perceive the

word ‘milk’ more closely to what it actually is (i.e. a sound). I think it’s

the same for visual stuff. When we look at our hand – the image reaches the

mind, the mind’s reaction is to pull the mind’s artificial reality version of

the hand, that is filed away, out so that that we have that experience. We have

a picture of the hand in our mind which is quite different to the image that we

actually find before us. If we look at our own hand for a while the automatic

connection between the image of the hand and our normal mental experience of

the hand is severed. We see the hand in a way that is more close to the reality

of what it is.

Sorry- not written very

scientifically but if anyone has any ideas about this I’d love to hear them.

Jim

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 1:23:57 PMSubject: Re: defusing images

.... having said that I don't think it is the same process (Milk Milk =

Defusion, Observing objects in new ways is more just mindful observing

and noticing, though they relate as per the hexaflex (defusion and

mindfulness)) but those things relate to relational frame theory - it

covers these issues.

Forum, anyone have a better grasp of RFT? I've heard

explain RFT in some podcasts. I think it covers the topic Jim is going

into here.

G

> Hi Jim,

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> That rings bells for me. Really interesting topic you've raised here.

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> Have you come across the mindfulness of the hand exercise?

> http://www.thehappinesstrap.com/free_resources

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> The same thing happens in relation to drawing real life objects.

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> G

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>> Hi,

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>> I have a question about defusion. The 'Milk Milk' exercise is quite

>> fascinating: The way words loose their meaning and bacome just sounds. I

>> remember as a child i noticed this phenomenon when saying 'Car park'.

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>> I have also noticed another phenomenon which I think must be related, if

>> not

>> basically the same thing- but it occurs with images rather than words. If

>> you look at your hand or foot (Or any one's hand or foot or even a

>> different

>> part of the body), for long enough it can appear quite alien. It appears

>> to

>> be something that maybe you have never seen. In my experience it can look

>> quite deformed or more to the point of a form I have never seen before.

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>> Has any one ever had experience of this? If you have : Do you think it is

>> basically the same phenomenon as we experience with words when we repeat

>> the

>> over and over again? We feel we know the reality of what milk is just

>> from

>> the word but when we repeat it over and over we come to the realization

>> that

>> milk is not, in fact, the word milk but rather something that can't be

>> fully

>> described or understood by using a word. When we see images (Like our own

>> hands), we feel like from the image we know what we are seeing (It's a

>> hand)

>> but the image falls way short of giving us an understanding of what we

>> are

>> truly looking at.

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>> Is this all nonsense or does it ring a bell with anyone?

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