Re: E and extra weight - lifespan/natural menopause

[Guest guest]

Sam,

I have read the links below and I take Lugol's twice a day with Vit

C/magnesium and non-flushing niacin at night (plus 100 mg COQ10/day,

4000IU Vit D3/day (when not in sun), 200 mcg selenium in my multi, vit

E in my multi (I have an extra mixed Vit E but I think it causes me to

bruise more so I am skipping it, 5-HTP plus a tiny dose of melatonin

at night). I also drink the sea salted water almost daily. I am

taking about 18 drops of the newer 2% diluted Lugol's (J.Crows) twice

a day. My breast issues are gone.

Am I missing something?

Kathy

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> >> >> > Kathy - I wonder what the typical lifespan is of these 'rural

> >> >> Israeli women' - as in how long they live after menopause, and

what

> >> >> age they go into menopause????

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> >> >> > my guess would be that they live much shorter than we do!!!

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> >> >> > C

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[Guest guest]

You're on the right road. Yes, saliva tseting cortisol rhythm is next, and

probably aldosterone/renin, too. As far as when your topical

hydrocortisone exits your system, it's likely whenever you notice symptoms

of needing to take some.

Have you saliva tested thyroid yet? The tests via www.canaryclub.org

($141 or $151 test) include thyroid/cortisol rhythm/DHEA/antibodies

and sex hormones.

Sam

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> Sam,

>

> I have read the links below and I take Lugol's twice a day with Vit

> C/magnesium and non-flushing niacin at night (plus 100 mg COQ10/day,

> 4000IU Vit D3/day (when not in sun), 200 mcg selenium in my multi, vit

> E in my multi (I have an extra mixed Vit E but I think it causes me to

> bruise more so I am skipping it, 5-HTP plus a tiny dose of melatonin

> at night). I also drink the sea salted water almost daily. I am

> taking about 18 drops of the newer 2% diluted Lugol's (J.Crows) twice

> a day. My breast issues are gone.

>

> Am I missing something?

>

> Kathy

>

>

>> >>

>> >> I think bad genes come from iodine deficiency. <wink>

>> >>

>> >> Sam

>> >>

>> >> =====

>> >> > Hi Karima,

>> >> >

>> >> > I think that at least part of my " bad genes " comes from my genetic

>> >> > predisposition to gluten intolerance and Celiac disease.

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Do you have Hashimoto's?

>

> Sam,

>

> I have read the links below and I take Lugol's twice a day with Vit

> C/magnesium and non-flushing niacin at night (plus 100 mg COQ10/day,

> 4000IU Vit D3/day (when not in sun), 200 mcg selenium in my multi, vit

> E in my multi (I have an extra mixed Vit E but I think it causes me to

> bruise more so I am skipping it, 5-HTP plus a tiny dose of melatonin

> at night). I also drink the sea salted water almost daily. I am

> taking about 18 drops of the newer 2% diluted Lugol's (J.Crows) twice

> a day. My breast issues are gone.

>

> Am I missing something?

>

> Kathy

>

> -

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sam. I am going to put that test on my list to order in Jan.

I have never had any saliva testing. My blood thyroid tests seem OK

and I have a normal temp in the afternoon. My morning temp was 98.1

today. Right now at 3:45 pm AZ time my afternoon temp is 98.8. (I am

not on progesterone which could be elevating my temp).

Every time I go to the doctor they ask if I am sick because they say I

have a fever! I really do not think that those probes that they pass

across your forehead are accurate though. Especially here in AZ where

it is HOT outside. The teck that took my temp last summer (in the

afternoon when it was hot, and asked me if I was sick) said that she

has a hard time normally getting people to register 97 on her probe.

I am thinking that those people are probably walking around with

thyroid issues.

Kathy

> >> >>

> >> >> I think bad genes come from iodine deficiency. <wink>

> >> >>

> >> >> Sam

> >> >>

> >> >> =====

> >> >> > Hi Karima,

> >> >> >

> >> >> > I think that at least part of my " bad genes " comes from my

genetic

> >> >> > predisposition to gluten intolerance and Celiac disease.

>

[Guest guest]

,

I have never tested my thyroid antibodies. Dr. G said to do it just

as a precaution but thought my thyroid levels were OK. The lab that

I private pay at charges a small fortune for those tests; that is

probably why I did not have it done. My HMO never wants to pay for

anything. I did make sure and have my husband get his antibodies

tested though (neg result) as he seems to have the real thyroid

disorder in the house (which has gotten a little better with the

addition of Lugol's).

Kathy

> >

> > Sam,

> >

> > I have read the links below and I take Lugol's twice a day with Vit

> > C/magnesium and non-flushing niacin at night (plus 100 mg COQ10/day,

> > 4000IU Vit D3/day (when not in sun), 200 mcg selenium in my multi, vit

> > E in my multi (I have an extra mixed Vit E but I think it causes me to

> > bruise more so I am skipping it, 5-HTP plus a tiny dose of melatonin

> > at night). I also drink the sea salted water almost daily. I am

> > taking about 18 drops of the newer 2% diluted Lugol's (J.Crows) twice

> > a day. My breast issues are gone.

> >

> > Am I missing something?

> >

> > Kathy

> >

> > -

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , that is very interesting about the iodine.

I have been taking iodine since spring. I started with my adrenal

issues way before I started the iodine. I do not feel anything from

the iodine except that I no longer have breast pain for two weeks

every month. I may have had some bromide detox with extra fatigue

that I took the sea salted water for. I think in general the sea

salted water just makes me feel better.

I started with my sleep issues over seven years ago before I started

taking supplements. I first used 5-HTP which worked really well for a

long time then I had to add GABA because I needed a little more help.

I started needing the noise at night probably within the last two

years. I am sure that my husband used to snore but I do not think it

always bothered me.

I do not think I ever feel hyper, I get those adrenaline zaps but I do

not get the hyper feelings along with them. I think my long term

sleep issues were from declining estrogen and maybe some adrenal

issues as well. It is hard to know because the 5-HTP has worked so

well for such a long time.

Recently I think my sleep issues have been from dosing my HC cream too

late in the day plus maybe not enough E at night. I have only had

about three nights with this issue and each time was when I dosed in

the afternoon with HC cream. I was under the assumption that the HC

cream would wear off within 4 hours like oral but I think it has a

longer life, maybe even up to 10-12 hours.

Do you have any breast issues with not being able to take iodine?

Iodine has been such a great help to me as it is so nice not to be in

pain for two weeks every month. I used to have lumpy breasts and the

lumps are gone as well. Now I can sleep without breast support. In

the past before iodine I used to have to wear a sleeping bra so that

my breasts would not be so painful in the morning.

Kathy

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I have never tested my thyroid antibodies. Dr. G said to do it just

> > as a precaution but thought my thyroid levels were OK. The lab that

> > I private pay at charges a small fortune for those tests; that is

> > probably why I did not have it done. My HMO never wants to pay for

> > anything. I did make sure and have my husband get his antibodies

> > tested though (neg result) as he seems to have the real thyroid

> > disorder in the house (which has gotten a little better with the

> > addition of Lugol's).

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this information Sam.

Regarding comparing DHEA and Testosterone; since I am taking topical T

would the ratio still indicate an adrenal issue? With my blood work

before I started T my T level was not detected and my DHEA was mid

range from what I recall but I was taking DHEA back then. My last

test with treatment showed a little high T (from taking a larger dose

than I normally would) and a lower DHEA (was taking less DHEA). So at

least with my blood work the test results seemed to go along with what

I was taking that day but I do not know if they would reflect adrenal

issues.

My serum thyroid results last June were:

TSH 1.07 UlU/mL (0.4-4)

Free T3 3.7 pg/ml (1.8-4.2)

Free T4 1.47 ng/dl (0.07-1.7)

My TSH is not where you think it needs to be but Dr. G and my doctor

thought that my results were OK. My previous TSH results were less

than 1 but my Free T 3 was lower as well.

Kathy

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> I think bad genes come from iodine deficiency. <wink>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Sam

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> =====

> >> >> >> > Hi Karima,

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > I think that at least part of my " bad genes " comes from my

> > genetic

> >> >> >> > predisposition to gluten intolerance and Celiac disease.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, even tho it's via blood testing, it appears that your FT4 is higher

than your FT3. FT4 is high in range and FT3 is just above midrange. That's

adrenal. And the blood T and DHEA being as they were/are also indicates an

adrenal thing.

But yea, I wonder what these would be via saliva testing. What's more

important to know - what's swimming around in the blood or what's actually

at work in the tissues?

How do you feel, tho? Pay attention to symptoms...if you have them, then

there's something going on.

Sam

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> Thanks for this information Sam.

>

> Regarding comparing DHEA and Testosterone; since I am taking topical T

> would the ratio still indicate an adrenal issue? With my blood work

> before I started T my T level was not detected and my DHEA was mid

> range from what I recall but I was taking DHEA back then. My last

> test with treatment showed a little high T (from taking a larger dose

> than I normally would) and a lower DHEA (was taking less DHEA). So at

> least with my blood work the test results seemed to go along with what

> I was taking that day but I do not know if they would reflect adrenal

> issues.

>

> My serum thyroid results last June were:

> TSH 1.07 UlU/mL (0.4-4)

> Free T3 3.7 pg/ml (1.8-4.2)

> Free T4 1.47 ng/dl (0.07-1.7)

>

> My TSH is not where you think it needs to be but Dr. G and my doctor

> thought that my results were OK. My previous TSH results were less

> than 1 but my Free T 3 was lower as well.

>

> Kathy

>

>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> I think bad genes come from iodine deficiency. <wink>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Sam

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> =====

>> >> >> >> > Hi Karima,

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> > I think that at least part of my " bad genes " comes from my

>> > genetic

>> >> >> >> > predisposition to gluten intolerance and Celiac disease.

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It appears to me that both

her T's are in the top quadrants of their respective ranges.

Val

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of k9gang@...

Hmmm, even tho it's via blood testing, it appears that your FT4 is

higher

than your FT3. FT4 is high in range and FT3 is just above midrange. That's

adrenal. And the blood T and DHEA being as they were/are also indicates an

adrenal thing.

> TSH 1.07 UlU/mL (0.4-4)

> Free T3 3.7 pg/ml (1.8-4.2)

> Free T4 1.47 ng/dl (0.07-1.7)

[Guest guest]

I would not trust saliva testing for thyroid. I did it and it showed

all my values to be optimal and showed no antibodies. When I did the

serum, however, TSH was 4.3, frees were lower 1/3, and both antibodies

were sky high.

I also had a thyroid ultrasound done which showed hypervascularization

of the thyroid, consistent with hashi's, which confirms that the serum

results were accurate.

There have been others on thyroid forums who also found their saliva

results did not correlate either with saliva or symptoms.

It's been proven that hypothyroid people excrete excess mucin in their

saliva which can interfere with results.

>

> It appears to me that both her T's are in the top quadrants of their

> respective ranges.

>

> Val

>

> From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of k9gang@...

>

>

> Hmmm, even tho it's via blood testing, it appears that your FT4 is

higher

> than your FT3. FT4 is high in range and FT3 is just above midrange.

That's

> adrenal. And the blood T and DHEA being as they were/are also

indicates an

> adrenal thing.

> > TSH 1.07 UlU/mL (0.4-4)

> > Free T3 3.7 pg/ml (1.8-4.2)

> > Free T4 1.47 ng/dl (0.07-1.7)

>

[Guest guest]

Is my math off?

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> It appears to me that both her T's are in the top quadrants of their

> respective ranges.

>

> Val

>

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of k9gang@...

>

>

> Hmmm, even tho it's via blood testing, it appears that your FT4 is higher

> than your FT3. FT4 is high in range and FT3 is just above midrange. That's

> adrenal. And the blood T and DHEA being as they were/are also indicates an

> adrenal thing.

>> TSH 1.07 UlU/mL (0.4-4)

>> Free T3 3.7 pg/ml (1.8-4.2)

>> Free T4 1.47 ng/dl (0.07-1.7)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Salivas work well for me and for many thousands of others.

I absolutely do not trust blood/serum testing on hormones,

especally progesterone.

That mucin discussion on the group 'thyroid' was pretty weird.

When thyroid function is wacked out, various " things " in the body

also wack out.

So you are saying you have Hashi's and are or are not being treated?

Not on Armour? Not on iodine or selenium/magnesium? And trying to

juggle sex hormones? Uh-oh.

Sam

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> I would not trust saliva testing for thyroid. I did it and it showed

> all my values to be optimal and showed no antibodies. When I did the

> serum, however, TSH was 4.3, frees were lower 1/3, and both antibodies

> were sky high.

>

> I also had a thyroid ultrasound done which showed hypervascularization

> of the thyroid, consistent with hashi's, which confirms that the serum

> results were accurate.

>

> There have been others on thyroid forums who also found their saliva

> results did not correlate either with saliva or symptoms.

>

> It's been proven that hypothyroid people excrete excess mucin in their

> saliva which can interfere with results.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sam and Val,

Thank you both for the information. My feeling is that I have an

adrenal problem and not a thyroid problem. I am going to get the

saliva tests to confirm adrenal issues after the first of the year.

Kathy

>

> Is my math off?

>

> =====

> > It appears to me that both her T's are in the top quadrants of their

> > respective ranges.

> >

> > Val

> >

> > From: rhythmicliving

> > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> > On Behalf Of k9gang@...

> >

> >

> > Hmmm, even tho it's via blood testing, it appears that your FT4 is

higher

> > than your FT3. FT4 is high in range and FT3 is just above

midrange. That's

> > adrenal. And the blood T and DHEA being as they were/are also

indicates an

> > adrenal thing.

> >> TSH 1.07 UlU/mL (0.4-4)

> >> Free T3 3.7 pg/ml (1.8-4.2)

> >> Free T4 1.47 ng/dl (0.07-1.7)

> >

> >

>