Re: proposed FAQ

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Yes to all, mee too.. And yes, you're a strawberry, Teri! -) Vicki

In a message dated 00-08-09 07:02:03 EDT, you write:

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> 1) I think anyone who is quoted should give their permission.

The faq pages only have first names... and any member's messages can be

looked

up in the archives at egroups... this is an easier format to get the info.

> 2) There needs to be a disclaimer on each page about this not being medical

> advice, etc.

Yes! I certainly wouldn't want anyone to think that I'm any kind of expert!

> 3) I would like to see somewhere a statement about YMMV.

I also agree with this (a general kind of statement).

>>

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In a message dated 08/09/2000 4:02:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

mcerlean@... writes:

<< The faq pages only have first names... and any member's messages can be

looked up in the archives at egroups... this is an easier format to get the

info.

>>

This depends on the list itself. For instance, on some lists a person can go

and read the archives because the list owner has made them public. That is

not the case on this list though. They are accessible only to us members.

The question Teri is putting before us is that the FAQ were posted on another

list.

<<<<<From: teri@... (Teri )

I notice that the same post that came to this list about the FAQ being up

for review was also sent to another diabetes list.>>>>>

Meniowl@...

type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water walking

(last A1c 5.3)

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Teri

> 1) I think anyone who is quoted should give their permission.

That was my reason for putting it on display. Except that it was supposed to

work the other way around - anybody who objected to their contributions

being used could " speak now or forever hold their peace " , as they say. The

attribution to a simple forename would make it difficult to to identify the

author down to street address, telephone number, etc. but there is no

problem changing names to protect the innocent if that is what would do the

job.

I have a feeling (correct me if I am wrong) that when anybody contributes to

an Egroups list, they surrender all rights in the text to Egroups so I

should probably have approached Egroups first! (Since Egroups probably runs

a " scanner " over all our contributions to pick up any unflattering

references to their organization, if they have picked this one up, they

should please contact me immediately if they have any objections!)

> 2) There needs to be a disclaimer on each page about

> this not being medical advice, etc.

It would be on your site, Teri, so I would leave that to you. Outside the

US, we don't live in such terror of being sued. I feel for you guys but you

must know what needs to be done, I don't.

In Germany such a disclaimer would be null and void because what we are

giving clearly IS medical advice, however much we claim the contrary - the

only thing that is missing is the " MD " (as in: " Susie MD " ). I don't

understand the US judicial system and never did. Does this mean that if

Microsoft had tacked a disclaimer to everything, they couldn't have been

charged with monopolistic practices? Jeez!

We already ride roughshod over the copyright laws on this list, sometimes

lifting texts complete from beginning to end from other people's sites, and

I don't believe that a disclaimer would help us there. What's a little

medical advice amongst copyright infringers? It's like playing Russian

roulette with TWO rounds in the chamber - that improves the odds of getting

a hit!

> 3) I would like to see somewhere a statement about YMMV.

> I know low-carb works for most of you, but it does not work

> for all of us, and should not be touted as the only way to do

> things.

That is a good point, Teri, but that is why I hoped it would be solved by

having a forename at the end of each answer - it should be obvious that a

personal opinion is being quoted. It would be ideal if every reply favoring

a low-carb diet was matched by another answer warning against such

" dangerous " experiments (sorry, Susie) but the fact is the low-carbers jump

straight in with both feet every time and we seldom hear the other side of

the story.

Like it or not, this list has unmistakable low-carb overtones and that must

strike every newly-diagnosed member after reading the first few reponses. No

" YMMV " statement is going to correct it, either - the answer is for the

" normal " feeders to be a little more vociferous. The trouble is that the

missionaries amongst us are all of the low-carb faith!

> Here's a general question -- is this FAQ for just our

> group or is it going to be " advertised " to others? I

> notice that the same post that came to this list about

> the FAQ being up for review was also sent to another

> diabetes list.

That is really odd - each page is plastered with references to diabetes_int

and there is a link to your site and a clear statement about who it is

intended for so it baffles me how anybody could connect it with " another

diabetes list " .

I could put a password routine on the server node and send the password to

every member of this list separately but who are we afraid of? I could

include the usual META tags to shut out robots but for the final version you

would have to do that, Teri. I can make sure that the search engines cannot

pick up the pages on my site but do we really want that? And since Egroups

now belongs to Yahoo it probably wouldn't do any good.

I don't know which post you are referring to but recently a move was made

to actively attract people from another list - is there some connection with

that? This list probably gets many of its new members via the search engines

so why would we want to be exclusive?

Sighing quietly into the keyboard,

[Guest guest]

> 1) I think anyone who is quoted should give their permission.

The faq pages only have first names... and any member's messages can be looked

up in the archives at egroups... this is an easier format to get the info.

> 2) There needs to be a disclaimer on each page about this not being medical

> advice, etc.

Yes! I certainly wouldn't want anyone to think that I'm any kind of expert!

> 3) I would like to see somewhere a statement about YMMV.

I also agree with this (a general kind of statement).

[Guest guest]

You have a very convincing ... I don't have time to read over your post,

but I at least temporarily take back my previous answer regarding availability

and posted warnings for the time being, anyway.

> Sighing quietly into the keyboard,

*LOL*

[Guest guest]

Wow, ! What about the rest of us who don't have that kind of time?

Low carbing works for me. Even exercising an hour each day, I couldn't

maintain decent numbers on the pyramid.

I'm glad what you're doing works for you, but there are lots of people out

there who would never find out about low carbing if we didn't tell them.

Robin G.

>

You are exercising 80 minutes

>a day, trying to make this work.

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Teri wrote:

<< I notice that the same post that came to this list about the FAQ being up

for review was also sent to another diabetes list. >>

Which list, and who sent it?

Susie

[Guest guest]

Thornton wrote:

<< It would be ideal if every reply favoring a low-carb diet was matched by

another answer warning against such " dangerous " experiments (sorry, Susie)

but the fact is the low-carbers jump straight in with both feet every time

and we seldom hear the other side of the story. >>

, prove that low-carbing is " dangerous " or stop making these misleading

comments. Diabetes is a disease of carbohydrate intolerance. Low-carbing has

been the historical method of treating diabetes throughout its history.

<< Like it or not, this list has unmistakable low-carb overtones and that

must strike every newly-diagnosed member after reading the first few

reponses. No " YMMV " statement is going to correct it, either - the answer is

for the " normal " feeders to be a little more vociferous. The trouble is that

the missionaries amongst us are all of the low-carb faith! >>

Let us hope that they do get that message. , as a newly-diagnosed type

2, you are understandably struggling to comprehend this disease. It *will*

come to you ... but that insight may take years. It did for me.

You are not a " normal feeder. " You are trying, in your innocence, to follow

a diet that is actually causing your disease. You are exercising 80 minutes

a day, trying to make this work. It won't. But I have high hopes for you,

because you are intelligent and brave.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Absolutely, the disclaimer is a must, and I can do that easily. I'm used to

it. <g>

Actually, , you posted the same thing to diabetesegroups as you

did here. Maybe it was an accident, but it's there. I just wondered what we

had in mind.

Teri

Re: proposed FAQ

> > 2) There needs to be a disclaimer on each page about

> > this not being medical advice, etc.

>

> It would be on your site, Teri, so I would leave that to you. Outside the

> US, we don't live in such terror of being sued. I feel for you guys but

you

> must know what needs to be done, I don't.

>

> I don't know which post you are referring to but recently a move was made

> to actively attract people from another list - is there some connection

with

> that? This list probably gets many of its new members via the search

engines

> so why would we want to be exclusive?

>

> Sighing quietly into the keyboard,

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> Public website for Diabetes International:

> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

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[Guest guest]

posted by to diabetesegroups

Re: proposed FAQ

Teri wrote:

<< I notice that the same post that came to this list about the FAQ being up

for review was also sent to another diabetes list. >>

Which list, and who sent it?

Susie

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Public website for Diabetes International:

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[Guest guest]

Teri

> Actually, , you posted the same thing

> to diabetesegroups as you

> did here. Maybe it was an accident, but it's there.

You are right! I run a keyboard log which records every keystroke I make (in

case a customer wants to see what I was doing when I charge by the hour) and

I just went back through it and see that I accidently left off the _int and

my first posting went to the " diabetes " list, of course. Normally it would

have bounced but I am a member there too so it went through.

I haven't posted there knowingly for about 4-5 months (it is set to web

only). I also see that when I didn't get my copy back from diabetes_int, I

sent it again, this time typing in the address correctly.

I have been wondering why I was getting so many messages back from people

that I have never seen posting here! I really am sorry about that!

How did you notice it? Are you active on that list too and do you do a web

site for them as well? That would keep you busy!

I am accustomed to CompuServe forums where the sender can delete a message

he/she sent at any time, even months later. We should have something like

that!