Re: Re: jung vs wilber

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In a message dated 5/6/2004 7:52:06 AM Central Daylight Time,

caspicuzza@... writes:

>I try and use similar tools in my creative

> process.

Hi,

Just wanted to say " thanks " to you artists who have stirred up my energy.

Both courses I'm currently taking involve creativity/art and the healing process

and I've not been able to get myself bestirred to doing much of the art part

even though I feel the tension to create. Mostly, I guess, it's because I'm

*not* an artist and I feel a bit overwhelmed. Your discussion has helped me

set my resolve to do at least *something* and see where my higher self leads.

Thanks.

Namasté

Sam

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Re: jung vs wilber

Hi Carol,

I too am an artist. I try and use similar tools in my creative

process. I stumbled upon Ken Wilber's work through a fellow student

in an Art class I was taking. This led me to Philip Rubinov-

son's book Drinking Lightening. Is this the book you submitted

to? Is your work in it? I will look when I get home from work. I love

this book and have often dreamed of being able someday to attend his

workshop in Italy.

I too would be curious to discover the areas of conflict between Jung

and Wilber.

I love your art work.

Sherri

Hi sherri,

You're an artist? Do you have a website I could look at? You might be

interested in a group I belong to, they're based in London and are a group of

Symbolist artists. They have a website: www.artofimagination.org We had a show

in New York last year and many of us met each other for the first time - there

were some fascinating people.

The book I submitted for was Eyes of the Soul, soon to be published. I wasn't

accepted for the book , I think because we had to write about our creative

process and I talked a lot about Jung who Wilber somehow disagrees with.

I know people who have taken son's seminar and really liked it. But you

can also take a seminar with the master who taught son, Ernst Fuchs. To

find out about him go to the above website.

Carol

" Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings may

be freed from all kinds of unsatisfactory experience and suffering. "

H.H. Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th. Dalai Lama

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In a message dated 5/6/2004 10:15:37 AM Central Daylight Time,

artemis.artemis@... writes:

>What is your definition of an artist? Who can say who is artist and who is

>not?

Good question, and like most good questions, it made me think. Not too much

or too long, because I'm in a hurry *G* but I think my idea of artist in this

context referred to someone trained in drawing, painting, sculpting, etc,

since that's what's going to be required in my course. I know that anyone who's

creative is an " artist, " whether it's in food preparation or fine arts or

raising a family. My dad was a mechanic and I can recognize the creativity in

some

of the things he did. Creativity abounds and is given short shrift in most

cases, even by those doing the creating, as being something less than artistic

if it's not hanging in a gallery or being sold. I don't buy into that too

heavily but every so often the negative pole gets stronger and takes over for a

while.

Anyway, I see my area of creativity/artistry as writing and the visual arts

as more of a challenge but one I hope to rise to meet.

Namasté

Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§

Vision without action is a daydream.

Action without vision is a nightmare.

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Hi Sam,

>... Mostly, I guess, it's because I'm *not* an artist ...

What is your definition of an artist? Who can say who is artist and who is

not?

Artemis

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In a message dated 5/7/2004 10:11:47 AM Central Daylight Time,

caspicuzza@... writes:

>You sound like someone who should just jump in there and make art brut. That

>means not trying to concentrate on technique but just making art like a

child

Actually, some time back I decided to try working with watercolors and that's

how I jumped in, almost like fingerpainting but with a brush. No pictures,

just swashes of color. It was fun and I liked the results, but I wouldn't call

it art. LOL

The closest I came to a real " picture " was shortly after a thunder-and-hail

storm when the storm moved off to the east as the sun was lowering in the west.

There was the most beautiful double rainbow in a clear blue sky over this

nearly black lightning storm beneath it and I just *had* to try to get that

down somehow. It came out looking very much like some Native American art. I

really liked that but again, I don't think it's " art " by any stretch of the

imagination, it just helps me recall that wonderful art Nature made.

Still, it's a beginning. Maybe if I loosen up my expectations and let Higher

Self come through I might find something really interesting.

Namasté

Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§

Vision without action is a daydream.

Action without vision is a nightmare.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sam,

You sound like someone who should just jump in there and make art brut. That

means not trying to concentrate on technique but just making art like a child

would. There's even a whole art movement of work like this and a lot of it is

really beautiful.

Carol

Re: Re: jung vs wilber

In a message dated 5/6/2004 7:52:06 AM Central Daylight Time,

caspicuzza@... writes:

>I try and use similar tools in my creative

> process.

Hi,

Just wanted to say " thanks " to you artists who have stirred up my energy.

Both courses I'm currently taking involve creativity/art and the healing

process

and I've not been able to get myself bestirred to doing much of the art part

even though I feel the tension to create. Mostly, I guess, it's because I'm

*not* an artist and I feel a bit overwhelmed. Your discussion has helped me

set my resolve to do at least *something* and see where my higher self leads.

Thanks.

Namasté

Sam

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Sam,

So it is technique that really inspires you. Most people can get good at

technique if they are willing to put in the hours with a good teacher. I think

the real difficulty for most people is content. Also,you were trying to use

watercolor which is very difficult. Although Fredrix has a new watercolor canvas

that is erasable. Try pastel or oil pastel, maybe even charcoal.

Carol

Re: Re: jung vs wilber

In a message dated 5/7/2004 10:11:47 AM Central Daylight Time,

caspicuzza@... writes:

>You sound like someone who should just jump in there and make art brut. That

>means not trying to concentrate on technique but just making art like a

child

Actually, some time back I decided to try working with watercolors and that's

how I jumped in, almost like fingerpainting but with a brush. No pictures,

just swashes of color. It was fun and I liked the results, but I wouldn't

call

it art. LOL

The closest I came to a real " picture " was shortly after a thunder-and-hail

storm when the storm moved off to the east as the sun was lowering in the

west.

There was the most beautiful double rainbow in a clear blue sky over this

nearly black lightning storm beneath it and I just *had* to try to get that

down somehow. It came out looking very much like some Native American art. I

really liked that but again, I don't think it's " art " by any stretch of the

imagination, it just helps me recall that wonderful art Nature made.

Still, it's a beginning. Maybe if I loosen up my expectations and let Higher

Self come through I might find something really interesting.

Namasté

Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§

Vision without action is a daydream.

Action without vision is a nightmare.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sam,

> No pictures, just swashes of color. It was fun and I liked the results,

>but I wouldn't call it art.

>

That is art all right!

Artemis

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