Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 > Jung remarked that the longest journey we take is from the head to the heart > - sometimes a lifetime. > > Now, what do u spose he meant by that? Integrating / connecting thinking and feeling?! Love, Artemis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Dear greg, It caused a small disagreement, but i finally turned off that awful noise. I left the room when my husband had to see what was going on at the convention. I wanted to remain relatively peaceful without my stomach in knots.Too much is too much!! I agree with you. Ugh. Toni Re: Jung remark --- IonaDove@... wrote: > Jung remarked that the longest journey we take is > from the head to the heart - sometimes a lifetime. > > Now, what do u spose he meant by that? Not sure zactly; but I blieve ol' Zell has a very long road ahead of him - likely MORE than one lifetime! Some politicians really should go back to the swamps where they came from. ill from so much republican (and democrat) vomit, Greg __________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- IonaDove@... writes: >Jung remarked that the longest journey we take is from the head to the >heart - sometimes a lifetime. >Now, what do u spose he meant by that? >love >ao Where is this particular remark from? Do you have an exact citation? It probably has to do with the very odd 'state of consciousness' which modern man has gotten himself into: 'I once remember having a conversation with the chief of the Pueblo Indians, whose name was Ochway Biano, which means Mountain Lake. He gave me his impressions of the white man, and he said they were always upset, always looking for something, and that as a consequence, their faces were lined with wrinkles, which he took to be a sign of eternal restlessness. Ochway Biano also thought that the whites were crazy since they maintained that they thought with their heads, whereas it was well-known that only crazy people did that. This assertion by the chief of the Pueblos so surprised me that I asked him how he thought. He answered that he naturally thought with his heart.' And then Jung added: 'And that is how the ancient Greeks also thought.' 'That is extraordinary,' I said. 'The Japanese, you know, consider the center of the person to be in the solar plexus. But do you believe that white people think with their heads?' 'No. They think only with their tongues.' Jung then placed his hand on his neck. 'They think only with words, with words which today have replaced the Logos...' C.G. Jung and Herman Hesse: A Record of Two Friendships By Serrano, Shocken Books, 1966 pp. 54-55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 >>'They think only with words, with words which today have replaced the Logos...'>> Joscelyn Godwin in Harmonies of Heaven and Earth writes: The Song of the Angels is their Gnosis; or, to put it another way, what they know cannot be spoken, only sung. Of the Logos, Philo of andria (20 BCE-50 CE), a prime representative of the embrace of the Greek perspective Jung speaks of here (and also quotes), writes: " God is an author in whose work you will find no myth or fiction, but truth's inexorable rules all observed as though graven on stone. You will find no metres and rhythms and tuneful verses charming the ear with their music, but nature's own consummate works, which possess a harmony all their own. And even as the mind with its ear turned to God's poems, rejoices, so the word in harmony with the meanings of thought and in a way approaching it, is necessarily glad. [...] " The Creator says that He knows that the uttered word, being brother to the mind can speak, for He has made it like an instrument of sound to be **an articulate utterance of our whole complex being.** This Logos, both for me and for you and for all men, sounds and speaks and announces our thoughts, and, more than this, goes out to meet that which reason has thought. " **an articulate utterance of our whole complex being.** Id this not that long journey, from the head to the heart. (A perspective on Philos and Logos from the incomparable Ioan Couliano: http://jungcircle.com/muse/tree.html JUng would have loved this stuff. x's deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 >Id this not that long journey, from the head to the heart.> Frung! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 In a message dated 9/4/2004 1:23:20 PM Central Daylight Time, strabismus@... writes: >monkeys at typewriters. Just had to interject this here. Somebody on the web said that the thing about thousands of monkeys banging away on typewriters would eventually produce the works of Shakespeare has been proven wrong by the Internet! *WEG* Namasté Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§ Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 When the Roman Catholic church took power we entered the Dark Ages because people allowed an external source to supplant their inner truth. " Know thyself and thou shalt know God, " means exactly that. Follow one's inner truth. The Japanese, btw, are spiritually correct, the source of creation power is in the solar plexus. The energies travel to the head, the crown, back to the heart but ultimately, for a Master, the source of creation is in the solar plexus. Flying a > >>'They think only with words, with words which today have replaced > the Logos...'>> > > > Joscelyn Godwin in Harmonies of Heaven and Earth writes: > > The Song of the Angels is their Gnosis; or, to put it another way, > what they know cannot be spoken, only sung. > > Of the Logos, Philo of andria (20 BCE-50 CE), a prime > representative of the embrace of the Greek perspective Jung speaks of > here (and also quotes), writes: > > " God is an author in whose work you will find no myth or fiction, but > truth's inexorable rules all observed as though graven on stone. You > will find no metres and rhythms and tuneful verses charming the ear > with their music, but nature's own consummate works, which possess a > harmony all their own. And even as the mind with its ear turned to > God's poems, rejoices, so the word in harmony with the meanings of > thought and in a way approaching it, is necessarily glad. [...] > > " The Creator says that He knows that the uttered word, being brother > to the mind can speak, for He has made it like an instrument of sound > to be **an articulate utterance of our whole complex being.** This > Logos, both for me and for you and for all men, sounds and speaks and > announces our thoughts, and, more than this, goes out to meet that > which reason has thought. " > > > **an articulate utterance of our whole complex being.** Id this not > that long journey, from the head to the heart. > > > (A perspective on Philos and Logos from the incomparable Ioan > Couliano: http://jungcircle.com/muse/tree.html > > JUng would have loved this stuff. > > x's > deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Well spoke. Of course, the Protestants changed all that. Greeks et el understood there were levels of understanding, initiate to adept: one starts at the literal and moves to sublime -- as in, the Genius, the Daemon, born with the child, becomes the guardian angel, evolving to Divine Guest. http://www.jungcircle.com/muse/genius.html All (was and is) lost to the middlemen in the literality of the incarnation, when it is, just as you say, made external. And so much for what's been made of the enlightenment: now if we prove soul exists, then it's looked for in neurotransmitters and genes. The mystery remains lost, hidden. Matter was only stars popping off, monkeys at typewriters. Humans ever think like humans. Know thyself. It wasn't so highfalutin', those words carved in stone in Delphi. More of a warning to keep to your place. The beautiful and the good were the rich. It's always been the philosopher's looking back and forward that changed the meaning, and thus, the possibilities. x's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 In a message dated 9/4/2004 5:26:35 PM Central Daylight Time, strabismus@... writes: >what does weg mean, please? WEG = Wide Evil Grin. I Like " Wouldn't Ewe Gnow " better, though. *G* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 > In a message dated 9/4/2004 1:23:20 PM Central Daylight Time, > strabismus@c... writes: > > >monkeys at typewriters. > > Just had to interject this here. Somebody on the web said that the thing > about thousands of monkeys banging away on typewriters would eventually produce > the works of Shakespeare has been proven wrong by the Internet! *WEG* > > Namasté > Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§ what does weg mean, please? wouldn't ewe gnow? Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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