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I guess I've done enough " living dangerously " in my life that I'm

starting to get a little bit conservative in my " old age " . I'm spent my

share of time in chem lab, but I just think it would be a good idea to

be SURE of what one was doing before one did something like this,

including taking appropriate safety precautions. Also, among OTHER

things, making sure one had properly neutralized the stuff before

ingesting it would be a REAL good idea. (ALSO, if any storage of caustic

materials is involved. it needs to be in CLEARLY MARKED containers that

children aren't going to get into.)

All that said, yes, no reason why it couldn't or shouldn't be done. I

just don't want people rushing down to their hardware store, saying

" Yes, I'd like 50 gallons of battery acid and 50 gallons of drain opener

-- I'll take that right now, thank you " , and then rushing home and

dumping it all in their bath tub. (I've read too many installments of

" News of the Weird " to not know what can go awry.) Am I wrong here?

        Posted by: " Bruce Guilmette, Ph. D. "

bruce@... drguilmette   Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007

3:43 pm ((PDT))

Gee ,

Where is your sense of adventure....?

I wire most things hot and never think twice about that. Nothing like a

little jolt of electricity to spice up your day.

All kidding aside, someone with adequate chemistry background could

quite easily do it at home, but if you have doubts as to your abilities,

then you are not in that group.

Regards,

Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D.

http://survivecancerfoundation.org

        Posted by: " robert-blau@... "

robert-blau@... rb2717   Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:35 pm ((PDT))

" For those who are comfortable with chemistry and want to try a form of

zeolite similar to Harve's, all you have to do is buy commercial

zeolite, digest in a mineral acid (e.g., sulfuric) and then neutralize

with an alkali with a sensible cation. If Mg++ is used then you have the

additional benefit of Epsom salt. "

Uh, , with ALL due respect, " comfortable " and " all you have to

do " may be a little bit of an understatement. I don't know if I would

want to encourage people to try this in their kitchen -- I mean you're

talking about some highly caustic materials there, AND the potential for

highly exothermic reactions. Granted that people pour these things down

their drain (to undo clogs), and they're found in car batteries, but I

would recommend some caution playing around with them on one's counter

top. Among other things, eye protection would be a MUST.

I've seen electricians wire ceiling fixtures while HOT, too, but, again,

the average person would be well advised to exercise caution in matters

involving electricity OR strong chemicals.

Just a thought.

RB

        Posted by: " VGammill " vgammill@...  

Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:28 pm ((PDT)) Zeolite can be a useful tool. I

do think that most of the commercial product is a waste of money. Harve

Kaufman, who has the patent, has long ago distanced himself from Waiora

-- for reasons that can be best explained by Harve. He does produce his

own product now which he should certainly have done in the first place.

For those who are comfortable with chemistry and want to try a form of

zeolite similar to Harve's, all you have to do is buy commercial

zeolite, digest in a mineral acid (e.g., sulfuric) and then neutralize

with an alkali with a sensible cation. If Mg++ is used then you have the

additional benefit of Epsom salt.

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Unless I am wrong, I'll bet was simply doing the 'tongue in cheek' thing

to illustrate that this stuff being marketed is just Way To Expensive.

Joe C.

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At 07:59 PM 9/30/2007, Joe C. wrote:

>Unless I am wrong, I'll bet was simply doing the 'tongue in

>cheek' thing to illustrate that this stuff being marketed is just

>Way To Expensive.

Actually I was encouraging a little creativity here. For

example; You could make just as good a product by digesting the

zeolite in concentrated hydrochloric acid and then neutralizing with

ammonium hydroxide. The result would be a mix of solubilized zeolite

with sal ammoniac -- the main flavoring agent for Scandinavian

licorice. Ammonium chloride is a powerful acidifying agent, i.e.,

taking up to two grams will acidify the blood for hyperthermia

sensitization as a cancer treatment. Licorice contains glycyrrhizic

acid, a triterpenoid that is useful in knocking out Epstein-Barr

virus (EBV). A history of EBV exposure is extremely common among

cancer patients and this includes those with aggressive breast

cancers, lymphomas, nasopharangeals, & c.

People of average intelligence routinely do things that are

remarkably complex. They often do these things for fun. I would

think that they would take the pains to learn a little chemistry if

their life actually did depend on it.

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Life happens but once...I really do wire most things hot, but I also have a

reasonable understanding of what I am doing.

I think it prudent to have a sound understanding of what is going on and

with some elementary chemistry and a bunch of research, I would not

hesitate, BUT what I do does not reflect what others should try or do

themselves.

I guess I am just inquisitive enough that if I was going to use zeolite, I

would actually investigate it very thoroughly as a viable possibility. I

don't plan on using it, so it never really dawned on me to make my own or I

probably already would have done so.

Then again, most people will never try things like that. I am one of those

that would do it just to see if I could do it correctly. I spent too many

years as a research engineer not to be intrigued by things like that, so I

am probably about the worst one out there to ask if it is a viable

possibility.

Regards,

Bruce

I

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I CERTAINLY don't disagree. It's just that, in putting things out on a

general message board, you don't want people to just run off half-cocked

to do things that require a little carefulness and standard precautions.

Like I say, " Yes, I'd like 50 gallons of battery acid and 50 gallons of

caustic soda. I'll take that right now, thank you! "

        Posted by: " VGammill " vgammill@...  

Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 12:10 am ((PDT))

At 07:59 PM 9/30/2007, Joe C. wrote:

Unless I am wrong, I'll bet was simply doing the 'tongue in

cheek' thing to illustrate that this stuff being marketed is just Way To

Expensive.

Actually I was encouraging a little creativity here. For example; You

could make just as good a product by digesting the zeolite in

concentrated hydrochloric acid and then neutralizing with ammonium

hydroxide. The result would be a mix of solubilized zeolite with sal

ammoniac -- the main flavoring agent for Scandinavian licorice. Ammonium

chloride is a powerful acidifying agent, i.e., taking up to two grams

will acidify the blood for hyperthermia sensitization as a cancer

treatment. Licorice contains glycyrrhizic acid, a triterpenoid that is

useful in knocking out Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). A history of EBV

exposure is extremely common among cancer patients and this includes

those with aggressive breast cancers, lymphomas, nasopharangeals, & c.

People of average intelligence routinely do things that are remarkably

complex. They often do these things for fun. I would think that they

would take the pains to learn a little chemistry if their life actually

did depend on it.

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At 07:12 AM 10/1/2007, Blau wrote:

>I CERTAINLY don't disagree. It's just that, in putting things out on a

>general message board, you don't want people to just run off half-cocked

>to do things that require a little carefulness and standard precautions.

>Like I say, " Yes, I'd like 50 gallons of battery acid and 50 gallons of

>caustic soda. I'll take that right now, thank you! "

I don't know what it will take before the masses see the obvious. At

age 65 citizens become " useless eaters " living on " entitlements " to

be paid for by future generations. The government wants them dead,

although it can never, ever say so. The medical industry thrives on

the maintenance of chronic disease. This is why there are no cures

nor will any be permitted. Government-licensed physicians may

occasionally want to help someone, but they can't seem to get around

their indoctrination, their fear of losing their license and their

fear of lawsuit by straying from the standard of care.

Each year millions of lives are lost for the simple reason that

suffering citizens make the mistake of going to government-licensed

hospitals or to government-licensed physicians to treat their chronic

health problems. They never seem to stop and reflect that

prescription drugs are prescription because they are toxic. This is

part of the paradigm. Non-toxic drugs will never be officially

researched or approved. Healthcare in the US is $3.8 trillion per

year. This absolutely guarantees that things won't change.

What can one do? Take charge of your own healthcare. Learn to

manipulate the system. Don't buy meds from marketeers --

conventional or alternative. Learn to make your own and grow your

own. Study, study, study, and network with others doing the same.

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In a message dated 10/1/07 3:10:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

vgammill@... writes:

> Actually I was encouraging a little creativity here. For

> example

So...what about the bending and washing issue?

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Words of wisdom, . I'll never forget, a few years ago when I had

my hospital preadmission interview for cataract surgery, the genuine

surprise of the nurse to hear someone over 50 respond to the question

" What medications are you on? " with " None. "

        Posted by: " VGammill " vgammill@...  

Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:00 am ((PDT))

At 07:12 AM 10/1/2007, Blau wrote:

>I CERTAINLY don't disagree. It's just >that, in putting things out on a

general >message board, you don't want people to >just run off

half-cocked to do things that >require a little carefulness and standard

>precautions. Like I say, " Yes, I'd like 50 >gallons of battery acid and

50 gallons of >caustic soda. I'll take that right now, >thank you! "

I don't know what it will take before the masses see the obvious. At age

65 citizens become " useless eaters " living on " entitlements " to be paid

for by future generations. The government wants them dead, although it

can never, ever say so. The medical industry thrives on the maintenance

of chronic disease. This is why there are no cures nor will any be

permitted. Government-licensed physicians may occasionally want to help

someone, but they can't seem to get around their indoctrination, their

fear of losing their license and their fear of lawsuit by straying from

the standard of care.

Each year millions of lives are lost for the simple reason that

suffering citizens make the mistake of going to government-licensed

hospitals or to government-licensed physicians to treat their chronic

health problems. They never seem to stop and reflect that prescription

drugs are prescription because they are toxic. This is part of the

paradigm. Non-toxic drugs will never be officially researched or

approved. Healthcare in the US is $3.8 trillion per year. This

absolutely guarantees that things won't change.

What can one do? Take charge of your own healthcare. Learn to manipulate

the system. Don't buy meds from marketeers -- conventional or

alternative. Learn to make your own and grow your own. Study, study,

study, and network with others doing the same.

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In a message dated 10/22/07 8:59:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aug20@...

writes:

> fact, I am wondering whether powdered, activated charcoal would

> not be cheaper, and serve the same purpose, as powdered zeolite

I think that the difference might be that charcoal absorbs things from the

stomach, like poisons and zeolite absorbs from the entire body. This is how I

understand it.

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In a message dated 10/22/07 8:01:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

elainegallant@... writes:

> Any manipulation

> of this solid (including liquifying it!) destroys this beneficial

> cage-like structure and negative charge, rendering what's left

> USELESS! "

>

Where did you hear that?

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In a message dated 10/22/07 8:01:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

elainegallant@... writes:

> DESTROXIN - Removes toxin for a healthier you - ZEOLITE

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?

The page wouldn't open..can you give any additional information so I can

order also?

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Hi, Elaine.

If any zeolite product will be effective, it sounds to me like the

powdered form will be. The reason I say that is because I know that

when a child or other person is poisoned, activated, powdered

charcoal is often given, due to the fact that it absorbs, or attracts

to itself the poison/contaminant, and is excreted, along with the

undesirable stuff, from the body. Sounds as if powdered zeolite works

the same way.

In fact, I am wondering whether powdered, activated charcoal would

not be cheaper, and serve the same purpose, as powdered zeolite. I am

certain there would be at least some overlap with regard to what

toxins each will remove from the body. I even remember telling myself

that I was going to take powdered activated charcoal once or twice a

month throughout the year as a detoxifier. I have not done so in

quite a while. Perhaps it's time for a dose.

Best with the zeolite, and please let me know your thoughts about

zeolite versus charcoal.

Elliot

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Sorry--meant to say charcoal aDsorbs, not aBsorbs contaminants. To

aDsorb means to attract to the surface, similar to what a magnet does.

To aBsorb means to take inside, the way a sponge absorbs water.

Elliot

[Guest guest]

It would seem to me it charcoal could do the trick...someone would

have said something about it by now?

At about $40./bottle, the cost of a good zeolite powder is hardly an

issue.

ALL I care about is if it actually works.

szukipoo@... wrote:

>

aug20 writes:

> fact, I am wondering whether powdered, activated charcoal would

> not be cheaper, and serve the same purpose, as powdered zeolite

>

> I think that the difference might be that charcoal absorbs things

from the stomach, like poisons and zeolite absorbs from the entire body. This

is how I understand it.

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In a message dated 10/23/07 4:24:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

elainegallant@... writes:

> At about $40./bottle, the cost of a good zeolite powder is hardly an

> issue.

>

The multi marketing zeolite people, natural cellular defense claim that their

product if the only valid one. I just ordered from the ebay site given on

this list. I will see what happens.

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Skuzipoo, I fear you are wasting your money. I bought the liquid

zeolite, took all three bottles of it, exactly as instructed, and it

did absolutely nothing for me, and this after being told by the

seller that the company was seeing people being CURED of cancer from

taking their product.

That is my opinion after trying it. Another real problem with that

stuff is that there is NO set dosage. In fact the person who sold it

to me actually had the nerve to tell me that the dosage limit on the

product can be based on how much MONEY I have to spend on the product!

And also, the company keeps switching from doctor to doctor as

its " authority " on liquid zeolite, and each doctor changes the dosage

one should take of it.

Personally, I am really tired of hearing and reading about zeolite.

As far as I am concerned, liquid zeolite is expensive water.

Do let us know how you fare with the stuff, though I will be amazed

if anything significant happens from your taking it.

Incidentally, skuzipoo, what is your state of health, please? I am

not sure you have ever said what it is you are trying to achieve---

cure cancer or what, exactly. I know you mentioned your dog at one

point.

Thanks and best wishes,

Elliot

szukipoo@... wrote:

> elainegallant@... writes:

> At about $40./bottle, the cost of a good zeolite powder is hardly

an issue.

The multi marketing zeolite people, natural cellular defense claim

that their product is the only valid one. I just ordered from the ebay site

given on this list. I will see what happens.

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I know nothing about Zeolite or how much and how long to take it. I'll leave

its value or lack thereof to those experienced persons.

It reminds me of the Apricot Kernels (Laetrile) that have a lot of good comments

going for them. I consumed, on average, 20-25 a day for a couple of months.

Apparently it did nothing for me however, can I tell anyone that it is ueseless?

No. I can tell them besides being bitter it was useless 'for me' and all of us

are learning that, Not Everything Works for All People All The Time. Note I

used the word 'Apparently' and often use 'Seemingly' because we just cannot be

sure what works and what does not over the course of a couple of months so

making profound statements is not always productive.

The hype about Zeolite and the cost factor of MLM schemes always bother me and,

unless we are 'flush' with money, we should be sure we are getting the most

bang for our bucks.

Living a more healthy life-style is costly compared to spending under $2.00 for

a quick hot dog and coke at Costco....with sauerkraut too.

Before I spend a goodly portion of my available funds for a product, MLM or

otherwise, I need to have some evidence from good sources that it has some

benefits.

Joe C.

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szukipoo wrote:

>The multi marketing zeolite people, natural cellular defense claim

that their product if the only valid one.

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Yeah..ok, that just doesn't make any sense. Zeolite is a natural

earth element. The crushed zeolite powder has many many applications

for purification. Everything from fish aquarium usage thru

livestock. OBVIOUSLY zeolite in it's powdered state is effective.

It's challenging to keep fish alive and healthy in an aquarium. If

you can do it, you have achieved something biologically significant.

[Guest guest]

" Biologically significant " ?

Keeping aquarium fish alive and healthy is not difficult. And zeolite has

notning to do with it; it's only been around for a few years. Before zeolite

we used (and still use) ;pllain old carbon fillters and they worked just

fine. OBVIOUSLY zeolite is an optional extra.

Simon.

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?Does anyone have any success stories using zeolite? Any negatives?

Thanks

[ ] Re: Colon cleanse-black specks/white ones too

Could maybe have something to do with poor fat digestion?

Anne

> Hi all,

> Cameron is on an oxy powder bowel cleanse, and is producing bright

> brown poops with tiny black specks...these specks are not like

seeds,

> undigested food etc...and there are thousands of these specks...can

be

> seen in BM if seen up close and I washed his PJ's after he

overflowed

> in his nappy and after I'd finished, there were all these black

specks

> (almost looked like tiny metal nail filings or dirt specks sitting

at

> the bottom of the sink bunched together...

> Does anyone know what this is?

> Donna.

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Search the old posts..there are tons of post on zeolites...

> > Hi all,

> > Cameron is on an oxy powder bowel cleanse, and is producing bright

> > brown poops with tiny black specks...these specks are not like

> seeds,

> > undigested food etc...and there are thousands of these specks...can

> be

> > seen in BM if seen up close and I washed his PJ's after he

> overflowed

> > in his nappy and after I'd finished, there were all these black

> specks

> > (almost looked like tiny metal nail filings or dirt specks sitting

> at

> > the bottom of the sink bunched together...

> > Does anyone know what this is?

> > Donna.

> >

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http://www.waiora.com/

they sell Natural Cellular Defense with zeolite - it's a MLM company.

A friend gave us some & it seemed to help. Couldn't afford to continue

on it. It'll give you a herximer reaction.