[Fwd: Re: Re:was LDN, now MS, Pathogens and Immune system]

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

I realize that not everyone will have results like I have had. It did

take me 7-1/2 years of research, experimenting and many different

modalities to come to where I am now. I certainly know the frustrations

when you are trying so hard and spending a fortune and getting sicker by

the day. I don't look at all those years and money I spent as a waste of

time at all, I think even though I was getting sicker, I was not dead, I

was not debilitated, I was not in a wheelchair yet. If I had started to

take steroids, or other prescribed drugs what would my health have

looked like at 7-1/2 years??? If I had believed what doctors say about

both Lyme disease and MS, where would I be??? I won't ever know the

answer and I don't want to know the answer, but I am most positive I

would have be in a wheelchair.

As far as having an open mind, well that is how I got where I am,

because I allowed my self to continue on a journey that seemed to be a

dead end, one with no hope. But keeping my mind open to things I could

not fully understand and allowing my faith to keep me strong I got

where I always wanted to be. Like I said in my first post, it takes lots

and lots of work to recover from any serioius illness, some people are

not willing to change and drugs are good options for them, But my

mission is to educate others that while they are using drugs, they still

need to be proactive with their health. They need to keep working on

better diet, cleasning the liver from the drugs, just overall looking at

the big picture. Doctors and drugs don't have all the answers, and

certainly neither do alternatives, but perhaps they could compliment

each other and then things would look different for lots of people.

cah819 wrote:

> ,

> First of all, the Lyme herbs I'm taking ARE supplements, NOT drugs.

>

> I understand that you want to believe " diet, supplements,exercise,

> physical therapy, chelation,filtered water, getting all

> chemicals out of their life, stop using microwaves, etc. etc. " , are

> going to be enough for you. I hope that it is. I wanted to believe

> that too, but I've been at this for many years, and do/have done ALL

> of what you're doing, and it was not enough. I'm sure there will be

> others who find the same when they get several years down the road

> with it, to where I am now. It sounds like you're passing this off,

> thinking I didn't/don't really do as I say, but if so, you're wrong,

> because I do all of it every day and have for years. I absolutely

> know how many there are who believe as you do - it's all over the

> web. I believe it's important too, but it may not be enough. It

> wasn't for me and others I know. After doing all that and still being

> sick, I think it's important that others hear from someone like me

> who, in essence, has 'been there, done that', and it wasn't enough, so

> that they may be saved from wasting all the time I did and end up only

> getting sicker again.

>

[Guest guest]

They may all be supplements, but some are herbal, and some are food

based. Most food based supplements do not come with warnings in you are

already using drugs. However lots of herbal medicine comes with

warnings because they are medicine, only from a natural source. If you

were taking a certain medication for a condition, and then also started

taking a herbal remedy for the same condition this could get you into

trouble. So for the sake of any discussion like this, we should clarify

herbal supplements or food supplements.

cah819 wrote:

>

> >

> > Herbs can be used like drugs, as in this case.

>

> ~~~No more so than the supplements is advocating, they're all

> supplements. That was my only point.

> Carol

>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> They may all be supplements, but some are herbal, and some are food

> based. Most food based supplements do not come with warnings in you

are

> already using drugs.

~~~Neither do most herbs. If it weren't for the existence of drugs,

there would be no warnings about herbs OR grapefruit or cilantro or

any of a number of other foods that should not be eaten by people on

certain drugs.

Not all non herbal supplements are food based. In fact, MOST

supplements are NOT food based. Most are made in a lab and the

process that's used to manufacture them more closely resembles the

processes used to make drugs than herbals do. And, even food based

supplements are highly processed.

Without drugs in the scenario at all, wisely used herbs would be less

toxic than manufactured supplements that contain fillers, mixers etc.,

food based or not. And, they are capable of doing things food and

supplements will never be able to do.

Herbs have been used since almost the beginning of man, whereas

supplements, whether food based or not, have not. Herbs are much more

natural than are supplements just by virtue of the processing that

goes into supplements.

If all that was needed to cure disease were foods, supplements and

clean living, then why did people die at such early ages prior to the

advent of todays environment, when the diet and environment were more

healthy?

Carol

[Guest guest]

I am obvisouly not conveying the message I want others to hear and so

forget it, I don't have the time to waste splitting hairs on things.

Have a great day.

cah819 wrote:

> >

> > They may all be supplements, but some are herbal, and some are food

> > based. Most food based supplements do not come with warnings in you

> are

> > already using drugs.

>

>

> ~~~Neither do most herbs. If it weren't for the existence of drugs,

> there would be no warnings about herbs OR grapefruit or cilantro or

> any of a number of other foods that should not be eaten by people on

> certain drugs.

>

> No