Re: chronic tonsillitis in a child

[Guest guest]

Hi Geoffrey,

Just a quick thought that I always tend to reach for Phytolacca where there is

old glandular infection present and also Baptisia is invaluable, alongside

Galium.

Let us know how you get on!

Pamela

Quoting geoffrey soma :

> hi good people

>  

> i have a new(ish) patient 13 years old, male, with chronic tonsillitis -

> almost since birth.  parents have been advised but are dead set against

> tinsilectomy. 

>  

> i'm hitting him with the gargle (hamamelis, salvia thymus - thinking of

> adding touch of commiphora) and the usual suspects internally echinacea,

> galium etc. but was wondering about aetiology.

>  

> so long ago since it started (why do they so often come to us as a last

> resort?) that it seems lost in the mists... but was looking into things like

> bacterial biofilm, weakened immune system from (fairly) frequent, and quite

> recent, antibiotics (for pneumonia) etc. etc.

>  

> am trying my best to save tonsils and will report back on how it goes.  any

> lovely insights and helpful hints from the greater herbal community obviously

> greatly appreciated.  diet, exercise etc all pleasingly good but he does very

> occasionally suffer tinnitus.  not surprisingly he often snores when

> sleeping.  also every couple of weeks or so gets dull pain in upper legs,

> arms and neck relieved by sleeping?  no idea at all about that.

>  

> just thought i'd send this out and see what comes back.

>  

> best wishes and fluffy greetings to all, geoff

>  

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Geoff,

you could try propolis both as a gargle/spray (diluted) and internally. Works

very well for chronic throat infections and acute tonsilitis. Otherwise

echinacea in large doses I imagine.

Subject: chronic tonsillitis in a child

To: ukherbal-list

Date: Wednesday, 18 August, 2010, 16:25

 

hi good people

 

i have a new(ish) patient 13 years old, male, with chronic tonsillitis - almost

since birth.  parents have been advised but are dead set against

tinsilectomy. 

 

i'm hitting him with the gargle (hamamelis, salvia thymus - thinking of adding

touch of commiphora) and the usual suspects internally echinacea, galium

etc. but was wondering about aetiology.

 

so long ago since it started (why do they so often come to us as a last resort?)

that it seems lost in the mists... but was looking into things like bacterial

biofilm, weakened immune system from (fairly) frequent, and quite recent,

antibiotics (for pneumonia) etc. etc.

 

am trying my best to save tonsils and will report back on how it goes.  any

lovely insights and helpful hints from the greater herbal community obviously

greatly appreciated.  diet, exercise etc all pleasingly good but he does very

occasionally suffer tinnitus.  not surprisingly he often snores when

sleeping.  also every couple of weeks or so gets dull pain in upper legs, arms

and neck relieved by sleeping?  no idea at all about that.

 

just thought i'd send this out and see what comes back.

 

best wishes and fluffy greetings to all, geoff

 

 

[Guest guest]

Geoff, what do the tonsils look like ? are they red large shiny, engorged - or

do they look ulcerated with baggy pockets of scar tissue ? Or both? Question

being are the tonsils busy dealing with something else - i.e.. not directly

themselves - or has the tissue got stuck into being constant reservoirs for

re-infection of itself?

In the former would focus more on locating the ongoing issue (is it upper

respiratory, with tinnitus - or atopic etc) - in latter more mucilage with the

commiflora - i.e. althea. In huge quantities - perhaps as lozenges in honey...

He had pneumonia?? What does that mean? Viral , bacterial? Heard something

lately about certain acute respiratory infects being re-classed as pneumonia...

?

chronic tonsillitis in a child

hi good people

i have a new(ish) patient 13 years old, male, with chronic tonsillitis -

almost since birth. parents have been advised but are dead set against

tinsilectomy.

i'm hitting him with the gargle (hamamelis, salvia thymus - thinking of adding

touch of commiphora) and the usual suspects internally echinacea, galium etc.

but was wondering about aetiology.

so long ago since it started (why do they so often come to us as a last

resort?) that it seems lost in the mists... but was looking into things like

bacterial biofilm, weakened immune system from (fairly) frequent, and quite

recent, antibiotics (for pneumonia) etc. etc.

am trying my best to save tonsils and will report back on how it goes. any

lovely insights and helpful hints from the greater herbal community obviously

greatly appreciated. diet, exercise etc all pleasingly good but he does very

occasionally suffer tinnitus. not surprisingly he often snores when sleeping.

also every couple of weeks or so gets dull pain in upper legs, arms and neck

relieved by sleeping? no idea at all about that.

just thought i'd send this out and see what comes back.

best wishes and fluffy greetings to all, geoff

[Guest guest]

Geoff,

this is so obvious I am almost embarressed to send it, it is aetiology you

are interested in so I would be thinking there is an allergy to something

eaten or inhaled since almost birth, therefore my money would be on dairy or

dust or both. The tonsils are already engorged under the influence of growth

hormone, which is why children are so susceptible to secondary attacks from

pathogens. Also if there was a caesarean or assisted birth, there could be

some problems that a canial osteopath could help with.

If there is infection there what you are doing is spot on. If there is just

big tonsils, that is to be expected as he hits puberty, but eliminate any

chronic sustaining causes like the dustor feathers or dairy, give lymphatics

and support his immune system and general health. Use anti allergenic herbs

like the medicinal mushrooms and Astragalus. Propolis gargle is a really

handy first aid remedy for any infections that go to the throat. And good

honey off a spoon. Otherwise no sugar.

Give it your best shot, because if anyone can help, you can.

Niamh

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:25 PM, geoffrey soma wrote:

>

>

> hi good people

>

> i have a new(ish) patient 13 years old, male, with chronic tonsillitis -

> almost since birth. parents have been advised but are dead set against

> tinsilectomy.

>

> i'm hitting him with the gargle (hamamelis, salvia thymus - thinking of

> adding touch of commiphora) and the usual suspects internally echinacea,

> galium etc. but was wondering about aetiology.

>

> so long ago since it started (why do they so often come to us as a last

> resort?) that it seems lost in the mists... but was looking into things like

> bacterial biofilm, weakened immune system from (fairly) frequent, and quite

> recent, antibiotics (for pneumonia) etc. etc.

>

> am trying my best to save tonsils and will report back on how it goes. any

> lovely insights and helpful hints from the greater herbal community

> obviously greatly appreciated. diet, exercise etc all pleasingly good but

> he does very occasionally suffer tinnitus. not surprisingly he often snores

> when sleeping. also every couple of weeks or so gets dull pain in upper

> legs, arms and neck relieved by sleeping? no idea at all about that.

>

> just thought i'd send this out and see what comes back.

>

> best wishes and fluffy greetings to all, geoff

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Geoff,

Picking up on what said reminded me that years ago my daughter had

constant bouts of tonsillitis that responded to herbs for a while but then

returned. An x-ray at a routine visit to the dentist revealed that she had

an abscess above one tooth. The dentist tried to resolve the abscess and

save the tooth using antibiotics, but again the tonsillitis would clear up

only to return. Eventually, after several courses of antibiotics, the tooth

was taken out, the abscess cleared and ten years on, my daughter hasn't had

another attack.

So I think it's well worth you looking for any other potential sources of

infection that his tonsils are having to deal with.

All the best,

Rosemary.

From: ukherbal-list [mailto:ukherbal-list ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: 18 August 2010 22:01

To: ukherbal-list

Subject: Re: chronic tonsillitis in a child

Geoff, what do the tonsils look like ? are they red large shiny, engorged -

or do they look ulcerated with baggy pockets of scar tissue ? Or both?

Question being are the tonsils busy dealing with something else - i.e.. not

directly themselves - or has the tissue got stuck into being constant

reservoirs for re-infection of itself?

In the former would focus more on locating the ongoing issue (is it upper

respiratory, with tinnitus - or atopic etc) - in latter more mucilage with

the commiflora - i.e. althea. In huge quantities - perhaps as lozenges in

honey...

He had pneumonia?? What does that mean? Viral , bacterial? Heard something

lately about certain acute respiratory infects being re-classed as

pneumonia... ?

chronic tonsillitis in a child

hi good people

i have a new(ish) patient 13 years old, male, with chronic tonsillitis -

almost since birth. parents have been advised but are dead set against

tinsilectomy.

i'm hitting him with the gargle (hamamelis, salvia thymus - thinking of

adding touch of commiphora) and the usual suspects internally echinacea,

galium etc. but was wondering about aetiology.

so long ago since it started (why do they so often come to us as a last

resort?) that it seems lost in the mists... but was looking into things like

bacterial biofilm, weakened immune system from (fairly) frequent, and quite

recent, antibiotics (for pneumonia) etc. etc.

am trying my best to save tonsils and will report back on how it goes. any

lovely insights and helpful hints from the greater herbal community

obviously greatly appreciated. diet, exercise etc all pleasingly good but he

does very occasionally suffer tinnitus. not surprisingly he often snores

when sleeping. also every couple of weeks or so gets dull pain in upper

legs, arms and neck relieved by sleeping? no idea at all about that.

just thought i'd send this out and see what comes back.

best wishes and fluffy greetings to all, geoff

[Guest guest]

Hello Geoff,

What does the tongue look like?

Tiny little red spots can sometimes indicate chronic allergy.

best wishes,

Guy

> Hi Geoff,

>

> Picking up on what said reminded me that years ago my

> daughter had

> constant bouts of tonsillitis that responded to herbs for a while

> but then

> returned. An x-ray at a routine visit to the dentist revealed that

> she had

> an abscess above one tooth. The dentist tried to resolve the

> abscess and

> save the tooth using antibiotics, but again the tonsillitis would

> clear up

> only to return. Eventually, after several courses of antibiotics,

> the tooth

> was taken out, the abscess cleared and ten years on, my daughter

> hasn't had

> another attack.

>

> So I think it's well worth you looking for any other potential

> sources of

> infection that his tonsils are having to deal with.

>

> All the best,

>

> Rosemary.

>

> From: ukherbal-list [mailto:ukherbal-

> list ]

> On Behalf Of

> Sent: 18 August 2010 22:01

> To: ukherbal-list

> Subject: Re: chronic tonsillitis in a child

>

> Geoff, what do the tonsils look like ? are they red large shiny,

> engorged -

> or do they look ulcerated with baggy pockets of scar tissue ? Or both?

> Question being are the tonsils busy dealing with something else -

> i.e.. not

> directly themselves - or has the tissue got stuck into being constant

> reservoirs for re-infection of itself?

> In the former would focus more on locating the ongoing issue (is it

> upper

> respiratory, with tinnitus - or atopic etc) - in latter more

> mucilage with

> the commiflora - i.e. althea. In huge quantities - perhaps as

> lozenges in

> honey...

>

> He had pneumonia?? What does that mean? Viral , bacterial? Heard

> something

> lately about certain acute respiratory infects being re-classed as

> pneumonia... ?

>

>

>

> chronic tonsillitis in a child

>

> hi good people

>

> i have a new(ish) patient 13 years old, male, with chronic

> tonsillitis -

> almost since birth. parents have been advised but are dead set against

> tinsilectomy.

>

> i'm hitting him with the gargle (hamamelis, salvia thymus -

> thinking of

> adding touch of commiphora) and the usual suspects internally

> echinacea,

> galium etc. but was wondering about aetiology.

>

> so long ago since it started (why do they so often come to us as a

> last

> resort?) that it seems lost in the mists... but was looking into

> things like

> bacterial biofilm, weakened immune system from (fairly) frequent,

> and quite

> recent, antibiotics (for pneumonia) etc. etc.

>

> am trying my best to save tonsils and will report back on how it

> goes. any

> lovely insights and helpful hints from the greater herbal community

> obviously greatly appreciated. diet, exercise etc all pleasingly

> good but he

> does very occasionally suffer tinnitus. not surprisingly he often

> snores

> when sleeping. also every couple of weeks or so gets dull pain in

> upper

> legs, arms and neck relieved by sleeping? no idea at all about that.

>

> just thought i'd send this out and see what comes back.

>

> best wishes and fluffy greetings to all, geoff

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree totally with Niamh's message, but I have found gluten to also be a

player with chronic enlarged tonsils.

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

Re: chronic tonsillitis in a child

Geoff,

this is so obvious I am almost embarressed to send it, it is aetiology you

are interested in so I would be thinking there is an allergy to something

eaten or inhaled since almost birth, therefore my money would be on dairy or

dust or both. The tonsils are already engorged under the influence of growth

hormone, which is why children are so susceptible to secondary attacks from

pathogens. Also if there was a caesarean or assisted birth, there could be

some problems that a canial osteopath could help with.

If there is infection there what you are doing is spot on. If there is just

big tonsils, that is to be expected as he hits puberty, but eliminate any

chronic sustaining causes like the dustor feathers or dairy, give lymphatics

and support his immune system and general health. Use anti allergenic herbs

like the medicinal mushrooms and Astragalus. Propolis gargle is a really

handy first aid remedy for any infections that go to the throat. And good

honey off a spoon. Otherwise no sugar.

Give it your best shot, because if anyone can help, you can.

Niamh

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:25 PM, geoffrey soma wrote:

>

>

> hi good people

>

> i have a new(ish) patient 13 years old, male, with chronic tonsillitis -

> almost since birth. parents have been advised but are dead set against

> tinsilectomy.

>

> i'm hitting him with the gargle (hamamelis, salvia thymus - thinking of

> adding touch of commiphora) and the usual suspects internally echinacea,

> galium etc. but was wondering about aetiology.

>

> so long ago since it started (why do they so often come to us as a last

> resort?) that it seems lost in the mists... but was looking into things like

> bacterial biofilm, weakened immune system from (fairly) frequent, and quite

> recent, antibiotics (for pneumonia) etc. etc.

>

> am trying my best to save tonsils and will report back on how it goes. any

> lovely insights and helpful hints from the greater herbal community

> obviously greatly appreciated. diet, exercise etc all pleasingly good but

> he does very occasionally suffer tinnitus. not surprisingly he often snores

> when sleeping. also every couple of weeks or so gets dull pain in upper

> legs, arms and neck relieved by sleeping? no idea at all about that.

>

> just thought i'd send this out and see what comes back.

>

> best wishes and fluffy greetings to all, geoff

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lots of great replies but no-one else has mentioned calendula, which I

have found excellent alongside galium for chronic tonsillitis in

admittedly rather younger children.

a Hollis