Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hi Ginny, high doses of co-enzyme Q10 have been shown to slow progression when taken in the early stages.see e.g.: http://archneur.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archneur;59/10/1541 best wishes Sabine Parkinsons disease > Hello all, > > I was wondering whether any body has found any research papers on the > herbal treatment of parkinsons disease, or has any treatment suggestions > on the topic? ( i have found a couple, but mostly chinese herbs). > > I am currently treating a patient with possible early stage parkinsons (he > doesnt want a scan to confirm..curent Sx is upper limb tremor). Our aim is > to slow the progression and help to ease the tremor. > > My Rx includes Centella, xanthox, avena, ginkgo, vib op and scut. > > I am also suppliemting with B vitamins, high strengh fish oils, and > vitamin E. > > As Tyrosine is a pre-cursor to dopamine, I am also considering prescribing > L-tyrosine supplimentation as it does cross the BBB, although from what I > have read, it is quite rapidly metabolised. > > Any thoughts would be much apprecited. > > Best wishes > Ginny > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hi Ginny I have used mucuna which helped reduce tremor in an elderly Parkinson patient I have been seeing. She is on Sinemet and found the herb delayed the need to increase the dose for a 6 months. If I remember rightly it helps increase dopamine levels in the brain. I did have some research on it, I'll try and find it for you. I got mine from Pukka. regards Parkinsons disease Hello all, I was wondering whether any body has found any research papers on the herbal treatment of parkinsons disease, or has any treatment suggestions on the topic? ( i have found a couple, but mostly chinese herbs). I am currently treating a patient with possible early stage parkinsons (he doesnt want a scan to confirm..curent Sx is upper limb tremor). Our aim is to slow the progression and help to ease the tremor. My Rx includes Centella, xanthox, avena, ginkgo, vib op and scut. I am also suppliemting with B vitamins, high strengh fish oils, and vitamin E. As Tyrosine is a pre-cursor to dopamine, I am also considering prescribing L-tyrosine supplimentation as it does cross the BBB, although from what I have read, it is quite rapidly metabolised. Any thoughts would be much apprecited. Best wishes Ginny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Ginny, I think it is rather important to have as clear diagnosis as possible. Tremor by itself is not diagnostic of Parkinson's (there must be symptoms of muscle rigidity and gait change as well, and a scan may throw a history of a stroke, which would be releveant to the treatment). Tremor may develop into Parkinson's but it may not. Is he on any medication? Any history of TIAs? Regards Subject: Parkinsons disease To: ukherbal-list Date: Friday, 5 March, 2010, 9:27  Hello all, I was wondering whether any body has found any research papers on the herbal treatment of parkinsons disease, or has any treatment suggestions on the topic? ( i have found a couple, but mostly chinese herbs). I am currently treating a patient with possible early stage parkinsons (he doesnt want a scan to confirm..curent Sx is upper limb tremor). Our aim is to slow the progression and help to ease the tremor. My Rx includes Centella, xanthox, avena, ginkgo, vib op and scut. I am also suppliemting with B vitamins, high strengh fish oils, and vitamin E. As Tyrosine is a pre-cursor to dopamine, I am also considering prescribing L-tyrosine supplimentation as it does cross the BBB, although from what I have read, it is quite rapidly metabolised. Any thoughts would be much apprecited. Best wishes Ginny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Hi Ginny, The 'cog wheel' rigidity is a good indicator if it is parkinsons disease or not. I have only treated one person for parkinsons and did lots of reading on which herbs would be best. I feel I lost sight of treating the person not the disease and when I changed the prescription to mostly nervines the symptoms improved much more. It can be a difficult disease for someone to come to terms with. Hope this helps Jean > > > > Subject: Parkinsons disease > To: ukherbal-list > Date: Friday, 5 March, 2010, 9:27 > > > Â > > > > Hello all, > > I was wondering whether any body has found any research papers on the herbal treatment of parkinsons disease, or has any treatment suggestions on the topic? ( i have found a couple, but mostly chinese herbs). > > I am currently treating a patient with possible early stage parkinsons (he doesnt want a scan to confirm..curent Sx is upper limb tremor). Our aim is to slow the progression and help to ease the tremor. > > My Rx includes Centella, xanthox, avena, ginkgo, vib op and scut. > > I am also suppliemting with B vitamins, high strengh fish oils, and vitamin E. > > As Tyrosine is a pre-cursor to dopamine, I am also considering prescribing L-tyrosine supplimentation as it does cross the BBB, although from what I have read, it is quite rapidly metabolised. > > Any thoughts would be much apprecited. > > Best wishes > Ginny > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Hello Ginny is absolutely right - you need to have a clear diagnosis and not treat 'as if'. There are some conditions we just can't confirm without full investigations. Perhaps reassure him that diagnosis is about excluding diseases/disorders rather than confirming them. You can also explain to him that it puts you in a much better position to treat him properly if you actually know what you are dealing with. Or what you are not dealing with. There are of course tremors that are idiopathic. Not all tremors are Parkinsons. Refer him for tests. I'm not trying to scare you or threaten you in any way - just advise.I know you want to do what's best for him but also consider your position. What actually is what is best for him? If down the line it turns out that he has some condition which was perhaps treatable either with herbs or drugs, and you had not referred him for appropriate tests, and a complaint was lodged with your professional body then you would find it very difficult to answer that complaint. If he refuses then you have 2 options. either you tell him you cannot treat him or you get him to sign something that says he has refused to take your advice and have tests done - though I'm not sure of the legality of that. Ethically I think you have to help him get the tests done no matter how scary he finds the thought - support him through that. Best wishes PS Call me if that sounds really scary - it is only intended to protect you not threaten you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 I forgot to say if you'd been at NIMH seminar yesterfday, you'd have heard Hananja Bric Ytsma talking about dopaminergic effect of Vitex. Theoretical, but worth doing a full research search on. While you're waiting for test result ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Hello all, Just to clarify, this patient has already been under the care of, and examined fully by, a Consultant Neurologist for the tremors that he has been suffering. He came to me after they discharged him before Christmas. The Consultant had offered him a scan to confirm/rule out Parkinsons which the patient did not want. We discussed the benefits of the scan at his appointment but he was insistant that he didnt want it. However, I agree that it is worth bringing it up with him again. Kind regards Ginny > > > Hello Ginny > > is absolutely right - you need to have a clear diagnosis and not treat 'as if'. > There are some conditions we just can't confirm without full investigations. > Perhaps reassure him that diagnosis is about excluding diseases/disorders rather than confirming them. You can also explain to him that it puts you in a much better position to treat him properly if you actually know what you are dealing with. Or what you are not dealing with. > > There are of course tremors that are idiopathic. Not all tremors are Parkinsons. > > Refer him for tests. I'm not trying to scare you or threaten you in any way - just advise.I know you want to do what's best for him but also consider your position. What actually is what is best for him? If down the line it turns out that he has some condition which was perhaps treatable either with herbs or drugs, and you had not referred him for appropriate tests, and a complaint was lodged with your professional body then you would find it very difficult to answer that complaint. If he refuses then you have 2 options. either you tell him you cannot treat him or you get him to sign something that says he has refused to take your advice and have tests done - though I'm not sure of the legality of that. Ethically I think you have to help him get the tests done no matter how scary he finds the thought - support him through that. > > Best wishes > > > PS Call me if that sounds really scary - it is only intended to protect you not threaten you) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Hi Ginny, if the consultant has not offered a definite diagnosis at the time of consultation I would assume that at this stage it is not Parkinson's. I would focus on circulation to the brain, nervous tissue restoratives and anti-oxidants. Hope it helps Subject: Re: Parkinsons disease To: ukherbal-list Date: Tuesday, 9 March, 2010, 15:51 Â Hello all, Just to clarify, this patient has already been under the care of, and examined fully by, a Consultant Neurologist for the tremors that he has been suffering. He came to me after they discharged him before Christmas. The Consultant had offered him a scan to confirm/rule out Parkinsons which the patient did not want. We discussed the benefits of the scan at his appointment but he was insistant that he didnt want it. However, I agree that it is worth bringing it up with him again. Kind regards Ginny > > > Hello Ginny > > is absolutely right - you need to have a clear diagnosis and not treat 'as if'. > There are some conditions we just can't confirm without full investigations. > Perhaps reassure him that diagnosis is about excluding diseases/disorders rather than confirming them. You can also explain to him that it puts you in a much better position to treat him properly if you actually know what you are dealing with. Or what you are not dealing with. > > There are of course tremors that are idiopathic. Not all tremors are Parkinsons. > > Refer him for tests. I'm not trying to scare you or threaten you in any way - just advise.I know you want to do what's best for him but also consider your position. What actually is what is best for him? If down the line it turns out that he has some condition which was perhaps treatable either with herbs or drugs, and you had not referred him for appropriate tests, and a complaint was lodged with your professional body then you would find it very difficult to answer that complaint. If he refuses then you have 2 options. either you tell him you cannot treat him or you get him to sign something that says he has refused to take your advice and have tests done - though I'm not sure of the legality of that. Ethically I think you have to help him get the tests done no matter how scary he finds the thought - support him through that. > > Best wishes > > > PS Call me if that sounds really scary - it is only intended to protect you not threaten you) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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