[Fwd: Re: Re:was LDN, now MS, Pathogens and Immune system]

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I do believe that MS and many other disease are a load of differnt

problems like you have mentioned. Because of this fact how can adding

one more burden to the body help??? Drugs are toxic, add more stress to

the liver and have side effects. I am all for them for the short term,

but not for life. My MS symptoms were caused by Lyme disease also and

an awful amount of candida caused my years of antibiotics, also poor

diet and working too much. Its only when I broke that cycle and started

to work with my body did I recover. This is my opinion and also some

others opinions, but I believe everything we need is in nature, our job

is to find it. I don't beleive a chemical lab is where we will find it.

The herbs you are taking are possibly one step safer then drugs if they

are safety tested and high quality, but they are still medicine in

nature, not food and so they are still fighting the battle instead of

your body. I think if a person does not have the energy, desire, or

finances to wage a serious war on their disease with diet, supplements,

exercise, physical therapy, chelation,filtered water, getting all

chemicals out of their life, stop using microwaves, etc. etc., then

drugs are going to be their best shot at feeling good.

I don't think its dangerous at all to trust diet and lifesytle if they

are working to improve the health, I trusted also in God and he

continued to teach and lead me where I needed to go. there is so much

still to understand about our immune systems. Why did people live and

others die back in the days of the plagues??? Something was different

about their bodies that kept them from succumbing to disease. The body

is a very powerful, miraculous thing and I personally beleive it can

fight any foe if given a chance early enough in the fight. I also

believe we can knock it totally down and reneder it useless if we put

our faith in drugs and give up on the body. I see people do this every

day, they get a diagnosis, start taking a drug and wait for their

miracle. They already have a miracle in their own body, and yet they

just ignore it completely while continuing to eat the same, stress the

same, drink the same water,etc, etc.,

I hope the combo of herbs you are taking will help you get over the hump,

but you still really need to support all the other systems of your body with

what

you were doing originally. Perhaps you are still doing this. I lived on the

Lyme forums for a long time and people tend to do one thing or another

and really everything can be so complimentary.

cah819 wrote:

> That's all very true, unless you have an overwhelming pathogen,

> which is what I think happens with MS. (Or mercury

> poisoning......or actually one of numerous things that could cause a

> disease as devastating as MS.) I've been living healthy for years

> since my diagnosis in 1997, (and even a couple of years before

> that), but have recently deteriorated some in the last couple of

> years, after having had a dramatic improvement 6 years ago. The

> most reasonable explanation for that to me, is that some pathogen is

> overwhelming my system and for which just healthy diet and life

> style are no longer winning the battle. I think what happened was

> the healthier eating and living worked to some extent when the

> pathogen hadn't proliferated so much, but now it's overwhelming, and

> it's going to take help in the killing department to get rid of it.

> I now feel like I wasted some precious years when I was simply

> trying to fight this with only diet, exercise, meditation,

> cleansing, parasite killing and supplements, when I should have been

> launching a heavy attack on the pathogen when it was weaker.

>

> That's why I now think it's literally quite dangerous to rely solely

> on diet and healthy life style, when we don't know exactly what is

> causing our " MS " symptoms. That's putting a whole lot of trust in

> the idea our problems are simply due to toxic life style, and that

> all we need to do is strengthen ourselves. (I made that dire

> mistake for years.) I personally think there is a whole lot more to

> it than that, even though our environment and life styles have

> undoubtedly made things worse. If we actually have Lyme, EBV, HHV-

> 6, or any one of numerous other dire illnesses underlying our MS,

> (and the experts believe we do), we need to be taking more stringent

> measures to defeat it/them. It would be nice to know what we're

> dealing with first, of course, but with work and testing clues can

> be gained. Now that I've tested positive for Lyme at Igenex, (after

> 3 negative tests at mainstream labs), I feel like I have something

> more tangible to fight and more amunition in the form of treatment

> that is recommended for Lyme. Even though I used to be a believer

> that diet etc. would be enough, it's no longer believable to me that

> only a toxic environment and diet is causing such a devastating

> disease. It actually hurts me to see others go down that same path

> I did when I feel they should be doing more.

> Carol

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