Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 UKHerbal-listDear All I have a patient, F, early 30s, with constant acne that reddens and gets sore just before her period. Periods are regular but very heavy. GP investigations found no pathology but her uterus is very large. She was born with hemangioma of the lower limbs for which she wears support stockings and the Pill caused problems with pain there. She has a history of depression which is worse in the winter and been on a variety of antidepressants. No medication at present and just finished 'successful' counselling. Very busy with work, compliance poor, unwilling to take much for it. Some improvement with Dandelion root, Centella, Ladies Mantle, Echinacea, Hawthorn, Liquorice (5 ? reductase) (didn't want to cause massive worsening) but pimples became angrier again before periods. Compliance spasmodic so gave Vitex (10gtt am) only to help compliance, with same results. Clay packs and baptisia/witchhazel lotion help. Recommended diet, zinc, B vitamins and omega 3. Am unsure whether high dose of latter is wise re: her hemangioma?? I warned her about time scales and exacerbation and am encouraging her to make lifestyle and dietary changes but wonder if there is something else that could make her more comfortable which would motivate her to make small changes? Thanks. Gail Farrow East London Tel: 07815 168410 Digest Number 3379 UKHerbal-list Messages In This Digest (4 Messages) 1a. calendula cream From: Helen Duxbury 1b. bureaucracy alert From: Max Drake 2a. Turmeric extract From: Ginny Kemp 3. Invisible food walk Brixton 3rd Sat/months 2010 From: Laird View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. calendula cream Posted by: " Helen Duxbury " hm.duxbury@... bty36451319 Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:04 am (PST) Which is the best supplier of calendula cream? I want it to be good and wholesome, to look like calendula (ie. orange colour), not too slack (so that I can stir things into it), and have the ingredients listed on the pot. I want to buy it in 500g or 1kg amounts. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Hi Gail could you expand on " Hemangioma of the lower limbs " ? My understanding of hemangiomas was that they are discrete benign childhood vascular related tumours that tend to disappear with adulthood. Does she still have multiple ones or am I missing something I should know ?? ;-) (nice prescription, I'd have squeezed in some galium for more " outspoken " lymph drainage and I'm wondering about Paeony,) best wishes Sally Owen Lindens wrote: > UKHerbal-listDear All > > > > I have a patient, F, early 30s, with constant acne that reddens and gets sore just before her period. Periods are regular but very heavy. GP investigations found no pathology but her uterus is very large. She was born with hemangioma of the lower limbs for which she wears support stockings and the Pill caused problems with pain there. She has a history of depression which is worse in the winter and been on a variety of antidepressants. No medication at present and just finished 'successful' counselling. Very busy with work, compliance poor, unwilling to take much for it. > > > > Some improvement with Dandelion root, Centella, Ladies Mantle, Echinacea, Hawthorn, Liquorice (5 ? reductase) (didn't want to cause massive worsening) but pimples became angrier again before periods. Compliance spasmodic so gave Vitex (10gtt am) only to help compliance, with same results. Clay packs and baptisia/witchhazel lotion help. Recommended diet, zinc, B vitamins and omega 3. Am unsure whether high dose of latter is wise re: her hemangioma?? I warned her about time scales and exacerbation and am encouraging her to make lifestyle and dietary changes but wonder if there is something else that could make her more comfortable which would motivate her to make small changes? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Gail Farrow > > East London > > Tel: 07815 168410 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Hi Gail, The dose of Vitex might be too small; 3 1/2 mls per week is quite low. How about increasing to 5-7ml per week? Best of luck Palmer BSc Hons MNIMH 6c Church Road, Alverstoke, Hants, PO12 2LB 07870 544512 ---- Sally wrote: > Hi Gail > > could you expand on " Hemangioma of the lower limbs " ? My understanding > of hemangiomas was that they are discrete benign childhood vascular > related tumours that tend to disappear with adulthood. Does she still > have multiple ones or am I missing something I should know ?? ;-) > (nice prescription, I'd have squeezed in some galium for more > " outspoken " lymph drainage and I'm wondering about Paeony,) > > best wishes > > Sally Owen > Lindens wrote: > > UKHerbal-listDear All > > > > > > > > I have a patient, F, early 30s, with constant acne that reddens and gets sore just before her period. Periods are regular but very heavy. GP investigations found no pathology but her uterus is very large. She was born with hemangioma of the lower limbs for which she wears support stockings and the Pill caused problems with pain there. She has a history of depression which is worse in the winter and been on a variety of antidepressants. No medication at present and just finished 'successful' counselling. Very busy with work, compliance poor, unwilling to take much for it. > > > > > > > > Some improvement with Dandelion root, Centella, Ladies Mantle, Echinacea, Hawthorn, Liquorice (5 ? reductase) (didn't want to cause massive worsening) but pimples became angrier again before periods. Compliance spasmodic so gave Vitex (10gtt am) only to help compliance, with same results. Clay packs and baptisia/witchhazel lotion help. Recommended diet, zinc, B vitamins and omega 3. Am unsure whether high dose of latter is wise re: her hemangioma?? I warned her about time scales and exacerbation and am encouraging her to make lifestyle and dietary changes but wonder if there is something else that could make her more comfortable which would motivate her to make small changes? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Gail Farrow > > > > East London > > > > Tel: 07815 168410 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I like anemone also. why has she come to you if she doesnt want to take much for it??!! best , annette Re: Re: Angry Acne Hi Gail could you expand on " Hemangioma of the lower limbs " ? My understanding of hemangiomas was that they are discrete benign childhood vascular related tumours that tend to disappear with adulthood. Does she still have multiple ones or am I missing something I should know ?? ;-) (nice prescription, I'd have squeezed in some galium for more " outspoken " lymph drainage and I'm wondering about Paeony,) best wishes Sally Owen Lindens wrote: > UKHerbal-listDear All > > > > I have a patient, F, early 30s, with constant acne that reddens and gets sore just before her period. Periods are regular but very heavy. GP investigations found no pathology but her uterus is very large. She was born with hemangioma of the lower limbs for which she wears support stockings and the Pill caused problems with pain there. She has a history of depression which is worse in the winter and been on a variety of antidepressants. No medication at present and just finished 'successful' counselling. Very busy with work, compliance poor, unwilling to take much for it. > > > > Some improvement with Dandelion root, Centella, Ladies Mantle, Echinacea, Hawthorn, Liquorice (5 ? reductase) (didn't want to cause massive worsening) but pimples became angrier again before periods. Compliance spasmodic so gave Vitex (10gtt am) only to help compliance, with same results. Clay packs and baptisia/witchhazel lotion help. Recommended diet, zinc, B vitamins and omega 3. Am unsure whether high dose of latter is wise re: her hemangioma?? I warned her about time scales and exacerbation and am encouraging her to make lifestyle and dietary changes but wonder if there is something else that could make her more comfortable which would motivate her to make small changes? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Gail Farrow > > East London > > Tel: 07815 168410 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 What about Berberis aquifolium, which is specific for skin problems and a nice bitter which might cheer her up. I gather it shouldn't be used with liquorice though as the liquorice will nullify its effects. Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH Medical Herbalist www.holisticherbal.co.uk 020 8948 2140 (h) 07855 783255 (mob) ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 12:08:14 Subject: Re: Re: Angry Acne I like anemone also. why has she come to you if she doesnt want to take much for it??!! best , annette Re: Re: Angry Acne Hi Gail could you expand on " Hemangioma of the lower limbs " ? My understanding of hemangiomas was that they are discrete benign childhood vascular related tumours that tend to disappear with adulthood. Does she still have multiple ones or am I missing something I should know ?? ;-) (nice prescription, I'd have squeezed in some galium for more " outspoken " lymph drainage and I'm wondering about Paeony,) best wishes Sally Owen Lindens wrote: > UKHerbal-listDear All > > > > I have a patient, F, early 30s, with constant acne that reddens and gets sore just before her period. Periods are regular but very heavy. GP investigations found no pathology but her uterus is very large. She was born with hemangioma of the lower limbs for which she wears support stockings and the Pill caused problems with pain there. She has a history of depression which is worse in the winter and been on a variety of antidepressants. No medication at present and just finished 'successful' counselling. Very busy with work, compliance poor, unwilling to take much for it. > > > > Some improvement with Dandelion root, Centella, Ladies Mantle, Echinacea, Hawthorn, Liquorice (5 ? reductase) (didn't want to cause massive worsening) but pimples became angrier again before periods. Compliance spasmodic so gave Vitex (10gtt am) only to help compliance, with same results. Clay packs and baptisia/witchhazel lotion help. Recommended diet, zinc, B vitamins and omega 3. Am unsure whether high dose of latter is wise re: her hemangioma?? I warned her about time scales and exacerbation and am encouraging her to make lifestyle and dietary changes but wonder if there is something else that could make her more comfortable which would motivate her to make small changes? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Gail Farrow > > East London > > Tel: 07815 168410 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Hi Gail, I find Stellaria really useful in an Rx to calm angry skin eruptions and have used it for acne many times. Good luck! Pamela Quoting Annette Wass : > I like anemone also. > why has she come to you if she doesnt want to take much for it??!! > best , annette > Re: Re: Angry Acne > > > > Hi Gail > > could you expand on " Hemangioma of the lower limbs " ? My understanding > of hemangiomas was that they are discrete benign childhood vascular > related tumours that tend to disappear with adulthood. Does she still > have multiple ones or am I missing something I should know ?? ;-) > (nice prescription, I'd have squeezed in some galium for more > " outspoken " lymph drainage and I'm wondering about Paeony,) > > best wishes > > Sally Owen > Lindens wrote: > > UKHerbal-listDear All > > > > > > > > I have a patient, F, early 30s, with constant acne that reddens and gets > sore just before her period. Periods are regular but very heavy. GP > investigations found no pathology but her uterus is very large. She was born > with hemangioma of the lower limbs for which she wears support stockings and > the Pill caused problems with pain there. She has a history of depression > which is worse in the winter and been on a variety of antidepressants. No > medication at present and just finished 'successful' counselling. Very busy > with work, compliance poor, unwilling to take much for it. > > > > > > > > Some improvement with Dandelion root, Centella, Ladies Mantle, Echinacea, > Hawthorn, Liquorice (5 ? reductase) (didn't want to cause massive worsening) > but pimples became angrier again before periods. Compliance spasmodic so gave > Vitex (10gtt am) only to help compliance, with same results. Clay packs and > baptisia/witchhazel lotion help. Recommended diet, zinc, B vitamins and omega > 3. Am unsure whether high dose of latter is wise re: her hemangioma?? I > warned her about time scales and exacerbation and am encouraging her to make > lifestyle and dietary changes but wonder if there is something else that > could make her more comfortable which would motivate her to make small > changes? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Gail Farrow > > > > East London > > > > Tel: 07815 168410 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Hi Vitex is one of those herbs that is posited to have different effects at high and low doses. (Ruth trickey) I often use 12 drops mane as a dose for PMT and/or dysmenorrhea and find it a very useful dose (As I expect you know it's reckoned to be optimally absorbed in the morning due to the increased activity of the pituitary then) Sally Owen rebecca.palmer7@... wrote: > Hi Gail, > The dose of Vitex might be too small; 3 1/2 mls per week is quite low. How about increasing to 5-7ml per week? > Best of luck > > > > Palmer BSc Hons MNIMH > 6c Church Road, Alverstoke, Hants, PO12 2LB > 07870 544512 > > ---- Sally wrote: > >> Hi Gail >> >> could you expand on " Hemangioma of the lower limbs " ? My understanding >> of hemangiomas was that they are discrete benign childhood vascular >> related tumours that tend to disappear with adulthood. Does she still >> have multiple ones or am I missing something I should know ?? ;-) >> (nice prescription, I'd have squeezed in some galium for more >> " outspoken " lymph drainage and I'm wondering about Paeony,) >> >> best wishes >> >> Sally Owen >> Lindens wrote: >> >>> UKHerbal-listDear All >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a patient, F, early 30s, with constant acne that reddens and gets sore just before her period. Periods are regular but very heavy. GP investigations found no pathology but her uterus is very large. She was born with hemangioma of the lower limbs for which she wears support stockings and the Pill caused problems with pain there. She has a history of depression which is worse in the winter and been on a variety of antidepressants. No medication at present and just finished 'successful' counselling. Very busy with work, compliance poor, unwilling to take much for it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some improvement with Dandelion root, Centella, Ladies Mantle, Echinacea, Hawthorn, Liquorice (5 ? reductase) (didn't want to cause massive worsening) but pimples became angrier again before periods. Compliance spasmodic so gave Vitex (10gtt am) only to help compliance, with same results. Clay packs and baptisia/witchhazel lotion help. Recommended diet, zinc, B vitamins and omega 3. Am unsure whether high dose of latter is wise re: her hemangioma?? I warned her about time scales and exacerbation and am encouraging her to make lifestyle and dietary changes but wonder if there is something else that could make her more comfortable which would motivate her to make small changes? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> Gail Farrow >>> >>> East London >>> >>> Tel: 07815 168410 >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Hi Frances I love Berb aq for skin - it's great isn't it. I've not heard the idea about not using it with Licorice where does it come from do you know? (I thought most chinese prescriptions used licorice, and they often have a lot of herbs in...) (I don't use a lot of licorice as a rule, but have been thinking of using it more so would like to know more) Sally Owen frances walker wrote: > What about Berberis aquifolium, which is specific for skin problems and a nice bitter which might cheer her up. I gather it shouldn't be used with liquorice though as the liquorice will nullify its effects. > > Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH > Medical Herbalist > www.holisticherbal.co.uk > 020 8948 2140 (h) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Hi Sally I couldn't remember offhand where I'd got it from but a quick Google of those terms came up with this exact point, which comes from: Duke. J. A. and Ayensu. E. S. Medicinal Plants of China Reference Publications, Inc. 1985 ISBN 0-917256-20-4. Which I haven't read, but it might be worth checking out. Good luck! Frances Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH Medical Herbalist www.holisticherbal.co.uk 020 8948 2140 (h) 07855 783255 (mob) ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 13:44:56 Subject: Re: Re: Angry Acne Hi Frances I love Berb aq for skin - it's great isn't it. I've not heard the idea about not using it with Licorice where does it come from do you know? (I thought most chinese prescriptions used licorice, and they often have a lot of herbs in...) (I don't use a lot of licorice as a rule, but have been thinking of using it more so would like to know more) Sally Owen frances walker wrote: > What about Berberis aquifolium, which is specific for skin problems and a nice bitter which might cheer her up. I gather it shouldn't be used with liquorice though as the liquorice will nullify its effects. > > Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH > Medical Herbalist > www.holisticherbal. co.uk > 020 8948 2140 (h) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 hi Frances iuve never heard of problems with berb aqui and liquorice - do you have a reference for that? regards ,annette Re: Re: Angry Acne Hi Gail could you expand on " Hemangioma of the lower limbs " ? My understanding of hemangiomas was that they are discrete benign childhood vascular related tumours that tend to disappear with adulthood. Does she still have multiple ones or am I missing something I should know ?? ;-) (nice prescription, I'd have squeezed in some galium for more " outspoken " lymph drainage and I'm wondering about Paeony,) best wishes Sally Owen Lindens wrote: > UKHerbal-listDear All > > > > I have a patient, F, early 30s, with constant acne that reddens and gets sore just before her period. Periods are regular but very heavy. GP investigations found no pathology but her uterus is very large. She was born with hemangioma of the lower limbs for which she wears support stockings and the Pill caused problems with pain there. She has a history of depression which is worse in the winter and been on a variety of antidepressants. No medication at present and just finished 'successful' counselling. Very busy with work, compliance poor, unwilling to take much for it. > > > > Some improvement with Dandelion root, Centella, Ladies Mantle, Echinacea, Hawthorn, Liquorice (5 ? reductase) (didn't want to cause massive worsening) but pimples became angrier again before periods. Compliance spasmodic so gave Vitex (10gtt am) only to help compliance, with same results. Clay packs and baptisia/witchhazel lotion help. Recommended diet, zinc, B vitamins and omega 3. Am unsure whether high dose of latter is wise re: her hemangioma?? I warned her about time scales and exacerbation and am encouraging her to make lifestyle and dietary changes but wonder if there is something else that could make her more comfortable which would motivate her to make small changes? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Gail Farrow > > East London > > Tel: 07815 168410 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 hi Frances thanks for this, but do you have the actual quote? I know a lot of interactions are theoretical rather than evidenced - there's an interesting discussion re carduus and statins on the members forum - and a very interesting contribution from Jonathon Treasure made this point - so I'm a bit wary.... thanks again frances walker wrote: > Hi Sally > > I couldn't remember offhand where I'd got it from but a quick Google of those terms came up with this exact point, which comes from: > Duke. J. A. and Ayensu. E. S. Medicinal Plants of China Reference Publications, Inc. 1985 ISBN 0-917256-20-4. > Which I haven't read, but it might be worth checking out. > > Good luck! > Frances > > Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH > Medical Herbalist > www.holisticherbal.co.uk > 020 8948 2140 (h) > 07855 783255 (mob) > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: ukherbal-list > Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 13:44:56 > Subject: Re: Re: Angry Acne > > > Hi Frances > > I love Berb aq for skin - it's great isn't it. > I've not heard the idea about not using it with Licorice where does it > come from do you know? (I thought most chinese prescriptions used > licorice, and they often have a lot of herbs in...) (I don't use a lot > of licorice as a rule, but have been thinking of using it more so would > like to know more) > > Sally Owen > > frances walker wrote: > >> What about Berberis aquifolium, which is specific for skin problems and a nice bitter which might cheer her up. I gather it shouldn't be used with liquorice though as the liquorice will nullify its effects. >> >> Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH >> Medical Herbalist >> www.holisticherbal. co.uk >> 020 8948 2140 (h) >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Hi Sally The gist of the quote - 'It should not be used with Glycyrrhiza species (Liquorice) because this nullifies the effects of the berberine' - appears in various places if you do a Google search, always attributed to that source. I have no experience of this myself - it may well prove to be theoretical - but just thought I'd point it out. Frances Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH Medical Herbalist www.holisticherbal.co.uk 020 8948 2140 (h) 07855 783255 (mob) ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 14:32:31 Subject: Re: Re: Angry Acne hi Frances thanks for this, but do you have the actual quote? I know a lot of interactions are theoretical rather than evidenced - there's an interesting discussion re carduus and statins on the members forum - and a very interesting contribution from Jonathon Treasure made this point - so I'm a bit wary.... thanks again frances walker wrote: > Hi Sally > > I couldn't remember offhand where I'd got it from but a quick Google of those terms came up with this exact point, which comes from: > Duke. J. A. and Ayensu. E. S. Medicinal Plants of China Reference Publications, Inc. 1985 ISBN 0-917256-20- 4. > Which I haven't read, but it might be worth checking out. > > Good luck! > Frances > > Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH > Medical Herbalist > www.holisticherbal. co.uk > 020 8948 2140 (h) > 07855 783255 (mob) > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Sally <sally@.... uk> > To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Thu, 4 February, 2010 13:44:56 > Subject: Re: Re: Angry Acne > > > Hi Frances > > I love Berb aq for skin - it's great isn't it. > I've not heard the idea about not using it with Licorice where does it > come from do you know? (I thought most chinese prescriptions used > licorice, and they often have a lot of herbs in...) (I don't use a lot > of licorice as a rule, but have been thinking of using it more so would > like to know more) > > Sally Owen > > frances walker wrote: > >> What about Berberis aquifolium, which is specific for skin problems and a nice bitter which might cheer her up. I gather it shouldn't be used with liquorice though as the liquorice will nullify its effects. >> >> Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH >> Medical Herbalist >> www.holisticherbal. co.uk >> 020 8948 2140 (h) >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hi thanks for your suggestions. Berberis aquifolium was on my list and I'm not sure why I did not use it. I think I was worried that it might be too strong for her initially. It cooled one patient down so much he complained of shivering. Yes galium or stellaria are excellent possibilities. Hadn't even thought of anemone. Liquorice does seem to have more than its fair share of theoretical problems, doesn't it. I am aware that the dose of vitex varies depending on what you are trying to do but do find getting the right dose quite tricky which was why I avoided its use in the first place. I wonder about serenoa? The patient says her right leg hurt in the mornings as a child. When it is cold right leg is painful and when she took the pill she got pain and some slight swelling there which led to MRI scan 2009 which revealed malformed veins in that leg and on GP advice she has used support stockings ever since. Still unsure if high dose omegas would be suitable in this case. Thanks again. Gail Farrow East London Tel: 07815 168410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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