Re: art and healing was :Re: jung vs wilber

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In a message dated 5/7/2004 12:15:42 PM Central Daylight Time,

caspicuzza@... writes:

>So it is technique that really inspires you.

Hi Carol,

Not specifically technique per se but enough technique that will allow me to

illustrate what I'm feeling/seeing. When I was a kid I could draw pretty well

as long as I was copying someone else's work or even a model. IOW, I can

" see. " I even drew a wallet size profile of my dad from life when I was about

15

and losing it when my wallet was stolen nearly broke my heart, because it was

really good.

And about 30 years ago I took a basic drawing course and learned chiaroscuro,

etc. and can work a bit in charcoal and pastels, and if I have a model, I can

do a passing job. I just get frustrated at not being able to express

whatever it is I want to express, though I did pretty well at that in art

therapy in

a day therapy group several years ago. LOL But that was intense; I can't

find that intensity any more. :>(

Early on in the therapy group I said something about " wanting to do something

creative " even though I didn't know what that might be, intuitively

understanding that creativity and healing go hand in hand. I sure would like to

see

Jung's " Red Book! "

Anyway, maybe I'm still too much into ego:

" The artist is not a person endowed with free will who seeks his own ends,

but one who allows art to realize its purposes through him. As a human being he

may have moods and a will and personal aims, but as an artist he is " man " in a

higher sense - he is " collective man, " a vehicle and moulder of the

unconscious psychic life of mankind. " (from 'Psychology and Literature', 1930)

Well, maybe this course will remedy that.

Namasté

Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§

Vision without action is a daydream.

Action without vision is a nightmare.

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In a message dated 5/8/2004 10:33:56 AM Central Daylight Time,

caspicuzza@... writes:

>I guess you're waiting for the spirit to provide images(which is where Jung

says >they come from). I'm an intuitive and I get this input thru dreams,

I've gotten a few images stuck in my head from the dreams I was incubating

(as well as some dreams that simply " appeared " ) and I've made some sketches of

them, but they're very unsatisfying. Only one has turned into something

interesting. I'd had a dream about being in a labyrinthine building and there

was a

part of the dream where I had been assigned sleeping quarters numbered " 3C, "

only I couldn't find them. Now, there's a lot about that appellation that has

all sorts of signifcance and I had a lot of fun with that. But the image I

finally drew was simply a circle enclosing a labyrinth (a maze, actually) with

a circle in the center enclosing " CCC. " I have no idea what this picture

" means " but it feels good to look at it. It's just a sketch at the moment but

if

I can work it up into something more finished, that might be " art. " *G*

>Often I start out with an object like this, not knowing where the work will

go and then keep >adding pieces as the spirit highlights them with this

feeling of being grabbed

That's pretty much how I write, when I'm writing creatively. I just start

and see where we go and when the inspiration has left for the day, then comes

the mechanics of polishing.

>With this method in mind what if you tried collage? Just an idea.

I've only tried collage once and it turned out quite interesting. But it was

an assignment then and I haven't done one since. And collage isn't one of

the assigned methods for this course so I'm going to have to stick to paint,

pastels, charcoal, etc. It might be fun to do something with clay but again,

that'll have to wait until there's more time and energy after these courses.

Well, today is another day. We'll see what inspiration brings up to play

with.

Namasté

Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§

Vision without action is a daydream.

Action without vision is a nightmare.

[Guest guest]

I guess you're waiting for the spirit to provide images(which is where Jung says

they come from). I'm an intuitive and I get this input thru dreams, of course,

but also thru the numinosity of the object. I look at all kinds of things while

in a state of receptivity and when I feel grabbed by an object then I know it

wamts to be included in a painting. Often I start out with an object like this,

not knowing where the work will go and then keep adding pieces as the spirit

highlights them with this feeling of being grabbed. With this method in mind

what if you tried collage? Just an idea.

Carol

Re: art and healing was :Re: jung vs wilber

In a message dated 5/7/2004 12:15:42 PM Central Daylight Time,

caspicuzza@... writes:

>So it is technique that really inspires you.

Hi Carol,

Not specifically technique per se but enough technique that will allow me to

illustrate what I'm feeling/seeing. When I was a kid I could draw pretty well

as long as I was copying someone else's work or even a model. IOW, I can

" see. " I even drew a wallet size profile of my dad from life when I was about

15

and losing it when my wallet was stolen nearly broke my heart, because it was

really good.

And about 30 years ago I took a basic drawing course and learned chiaroscuro,

etc. and can work a bit in charcoal and pastels, and if I have a model, I can

do a passing job. I just get frustrated at not being able to express

whatever it is I want to express, though I did pretty well at that in art

therapy in

a day therapy group several years ago. LOL But that was intense; I can't

find that intensity any more. :>(

Early on in the therapy group I said something about " wanting to do something

creative " even though I didn't know what that might be, intuitively

understanding that creativity and healing go hand in hand. I sure would like

to see

Jung's " Red Book! "

Anyway, maybe I'm still too much into ego:

" The artist is not a person endowed with free will who seeks his own ends,

but one who allows art to realize its purposes through him. As a human being

he

may have moods and a will and personal aims, but as an artist he is " man " in a

higher sense - he is " collective man, " a vehicle and moulder of the

unconscious psychic life of mankind. " (from 'Psychology and Literature', 1930)

Well, maybe this course will remedy that.

Namasté

Sam in Texas §(ô¿ô)§

Vision without action is a daydream.

Action without vision is a nightmare.