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That is great! Congrats! I have a questions about colace. The ingredients didn't

looks so great - Polyethylene glycol 400 is one of them. Is this something like

what is in Miralax? Any idea how much safer Colace is? I would like to wean my

son from Miralax and might consider using Colace instead.

Thanks,

Cristina

>

> Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My

son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've

had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after

telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He

went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his

diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after

the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out

the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated,

etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter

stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us

for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our

biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we

took him off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG

and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.

>

> I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once

for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather

than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible

fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to

poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the

potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking

back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative

and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He

pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc

but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and

then he starts witholding again. So this is what we are doing at the moment that

seems to be working:

>

> I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an

herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working

marvelously.

>

> Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool

softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as

he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc

and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are

doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements

like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and

dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine!

Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see

what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his

tummy issues. One day hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go

all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty

instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to

miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Yes this is the same ingredient.............PEG 400 is a smaller molecule, which is absorbed more quickly................wouldn't recommend at all.............the smaller the molecule the easier it gets through the pores..............

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Subject: Re: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 6:27 PM

That is great! Congrats! I have a questions about colace. The ingredients didn't looks so great - Polyethylene glycol 400 is one of them. Is this something like what is in Miralax? Any idea how much safer Colace is? I would like to wean my son from Miralax and might consider using Colace instead.Thanks,Cristina>> Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that

after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.> > I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his

diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:> > I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.> > Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then

take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.>

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Yikes....I just discovered tonight what is really in colace! To my shock and horror it does contain that little bit of PEG. When my husband bought this I only was looking at the active ingredient since he threw out the box. I was thinking it was ok! So back to square one then! We will still be using the herbal stuff but still would like to find ways to soften his stools! There is not much out there that has worked for us and he gets constipated VERY easily!

Cayce

Subject: Re: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 7:27 PM

That is great! Congrats! I have a questions about colace. The ingredients didn't looks so great - Polyethylene glycol 400 is one of them. Is this something like what is in Miralax? Any idea how much safer Colace is? I would like to wean my son from Miralax and might consider using Colace instead.Thanks,Cristina>> Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that

after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.> > I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his

diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:> > I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.> > Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then

take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.>

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I've spent hours on end with my physician's, trying to figure out what happened here on the FDA adverse reactions, and what my physician pointed out to me is that illieus comes up SEVERAL times, meaning "it puts the bowel to sleep" therefore they can't go if they wanted to.................you were right

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Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Jeanie,

I absolutely believe it an sadly....I think most comapnies that make this stuff very well know the side effects. I think people abuse these products when it plainly states on the box or bottle that it's not intended for long term use. What am I to do? Not sure what to use or where to go from here without using the colace!

Cayce

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Cayce,

there are only a few reasons for constipation so it never hurts to rule out a lack of good bacteria...............try Kirkman's chewable probiotic.........it works awesome.......

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ViewProductDetails@Product_ID@184@Product_Group_ID@...

I know you you've tried a probiotic, but there's something about THIS one that works, probably the xylitol that has a laxative affect..........

Jeanie

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Thanks! Im gonna look into this as soon as I can. I just ordered another two months of the Dr. Ohiras probitoics so when we run out we will give this a try! Thanks so much!

Cayce

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Is this what you're using?

http://www.nourishingfoods.com/dr-ohiras-probiotics-12-plus-original-formula-30-capsules.html---

Subject: Re: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:34 PM

Jeanie,

Thanks! Im gonna look into this as soon as I can. I just ordered another two months of the Dr. Ohiras probitoics so when we run out we will give this a try! Thanks so much!

Cayce

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Hi! Yes...that is the one we are using. I get mine from www.taoofherbs.com! It's kind of pricey and it's the cheapest place I have found it thus far. I found out about it from Doug Kaufman from the show called Know The Cause! We are also using another product he suggested from a company called NSC.....it's called Beta Glucan. The beta glucan has helped my sons eczema issues tremendously. I was hoping the probiotics would help with constipation too but no luck thus far.

Cayce

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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I gotta consider this one! Seems to help with increasing white blood cells(for

fighting infections), surprisingly helps with oral candida(this one stumps me),

I wonder if they manufactor xylitol with the source choice of what they use to

extract it from, example, from the tree, berries, corn etc. Thanks Jeanie for

this info!! Seems to have other good benefits along with the looser stools!

Jennie<><

>

> From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>

> Subject: This is what is working so far!!

> To: miralax@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

>

>

>

>

> Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My

son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've

had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after

telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He

went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his

diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after

the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out

the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated,

etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter

stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us

for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our

biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we

took him off of

> it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye

which he is allergic to we just found out.

>

> I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once

for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather

than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible

fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to

poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the

potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking

back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative

and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He

pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc

but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and

then he starts witholding again. So this is what we are doing at the moment that

seems to be working:

>

> I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an

herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working

marvelously.

>

> Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool

softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as

he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc

and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are

doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements

like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and

dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine!

Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see

what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his

tummy issues. One day hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go

all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty

instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to

miralax or harsh laxatives.

>

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my girl is constipated again......just bought pedia-lax....i hope it

does not have anything bad in it.

We were just at the hospital partially for stomach pain/fever so when

we found out that her colon is distended terribly we realized that we

ahve to do someting else besides what we are doing.

Is PediaLax ok?

angi

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Jeanie,

I absolutely believe it an sadly....I think most comapnies

that make this stuff very well know the side effects. I think people

abuse these products when it plainly states on the box or bottle that

it's not intended for long term use. What am I to do? Not sure what to

use or where to go from here without using the colace!

Cayce

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Subject: This is what is working so far!!

To: miralax@yahoogroups .com

Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but

been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since

Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties

when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the

GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He

went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in

his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We

found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he

had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was

relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his

bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool

softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for

us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it

in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the

pedi-lax stool softener so we took him off of it. Little did we know

that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is

allergic to we just found out.

I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only

took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty

and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that

night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an

enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he

cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I

know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel

SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and

he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He

pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all

laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse

again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:

I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which

is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems

to be working marvelously.

Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a

stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I

think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him

off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel

formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet

with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and

daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some

days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im

just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and

see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and

working on his tummy issues. One day hoping he will be home free! Once

it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to

also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for

us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Angi,

Are you using the strips or the stool softener by pedia-lax? The stool softener contains PEG.....the same ingredient as miralax but in smaller amount. My son could not take it because he's allergic to red dye....which is what is in that. He breaks out in a rash soon after taking it. WE are still experimenting!

Cayce

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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SOME PROBIOTICS THAT I TOOK GAVE ME TERRIBLE DIARRHEA SO THEY AREN'T ALL WHAT THEIR MEANT TO BE TO SOME PEOPLE.

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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okay..........the reason i'm asking is, look at the ingredients, it has acetic acid, and mushrooms..............I believe Miralax breaks down into acetic acid, which couldn't be good to add more and mushrooms are fungus....................why don't you try the Kirkman's, it contains xylitol which helps them go and the product you're using only has one strain of probiotic, Kirkman's has 6..................

Jeanie

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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What brand and dose of beta glucan are you using. Sounds lik an intersting product.

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okay........ ..the reason i'm asking is, look at the ingredients, it has acetic acid, and mushrooms... ......... ..I believe Miralax breaks down into acetic acid, which couldn't be good to add more and mushrooms are fungus...... ......... .....why don't you try the Kirkman's, it contains xylitol which helps them go and the product you're using only has one strain of probiotic, Kirkman's has 6........... .......

Jeanie

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Here is the link to where I get mine from! Find out about it from Doug Kaufman. It's REALLY helped my sons eczema and it's just about disappeared but a few patches. I give him one capsule a day in food. http://www.nsc24.com/---

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What brand and dose of beta glucan are you using. Sounds lik an intersting product.

From: jeanie ward <dreamjeanie@ att.net>To: miralax@yahoogroups .comSent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 9:51:47 AMSubject: Re: This is what is working so far!!

okay........ ..the reason i'm asking is, look at the ingredients, it has acetic acid, and mushrooms... ......... ..I believe Miralax breaks down into acetic acid, which couldn't be good to add more and mushrooms are fungus...... ......... .....why don't you try the Kirkman's, it contains xylitol which helps them go and the product you're using only has one strain of probiotic, Kirkman's has 6........... .......

Jeanie

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Jeanie,

The Dr. Ohiras actually has 12 strains of bacteria including the TH10 strain. Im willing to try Kirkmans but the only downside is my son hates Chewables. We have tried chewable probiotics before. Im willing to get a bottle and try it but will have to wait until more finances come in. Thanks for bringing that to my attention! The only thing that boggles me is why Doug Kaufman suggests this product. He's really into the whole fungal, mold issues and this is his top product he suggests for everybody. Do you know Doug Kaufman from that show Know The Cause? I never even noticed it contained mushrooms....thought those were medicinal.

Cayce

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Marg,

I've taken the Dr. Ohiras myself and it NEVER gave me Diahreah! I have taken other probiotics that messed my stomache up. I've only had luck with Natrens and this one. My son is STILL constipated while on this as well so it's definately NOT giving him diahreah. He took the Natrens when he was a baby and up....worked well while he was still on milk and I could mix the powder in like that. I don't take probiotics anymore....I try to get them naturally from raw fruits, veggies! I also like Kimche, Kombuch and other fermented foods and beverages are GREAT for increasing good bacteria in the gut.

Cayce

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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it's not a smaller amount.........it's a smaller molecule and I would bet it's the PEG more than the dye that he had a reaction to................

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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this COULD have been a clue for you marg, that you hit the nail on the head...........if you saw a change then you know this is what you need to address, sometimes things have to get worse before they get better..............there are many factors involed like what the sweetner was made out of, or how much you took...............maybe if you start low and increase slowly, you may find a happy medium....................also try different probiotics, you may have had something your body doesn't agree with..............

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Jeanie,

I think you are right! I felt that instinctively but was not sure of myself! Now looking at it that way....it makes sense. He's had a bit of a rash with the Colace too. The Colace to MY SHOCK and horror has PEG in it too! It's just AWFUL! Should I just take him off the colace cold turkey? Im gonna try this product called fruit-eze and will also be trying kirkmans as soon as our other probitoics runs out.

Cayce

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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I'm not using any?.....................here's the probiotic

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ViewProductDetails@Product_ID@184@Product_Group_ID@...---

Subject: Re: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 10:17 AM

What brand and dose of beta glucan are you using. Sounds lik an intersting product.

From: jeanie ward <dreamjeanie@ att.net>To: miralax@yahoogroups .comSent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 9:51:47 AMSubject: Re: This is what is working so far!!

okay........ ..the reason i'm asking is, look at the ingredients, it has acetic acid, and mushrooms... ......... ..I believe Miralax breaks down into acetic acid, which couldn't be good to add more and mushrooms are fungus...... ......... .....why don't you try the Kirkman's, it contains xylitol which helps them go and the product you're using only has one strain of probiotic, Kirkman's has 6........... .......

Jeanie

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Kirkman labs makes anything in any form, just for the people with special needs..........but you can get in any form

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Subject: Re: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 10:51 AM

Jeanie,

The Dr. Ohiras actually has 12 strains of bacteria including the TH10 strain. Im willing to try Kirkmans but the only downside is my son hates Chewables. We have tried chewable probiotics before. Im willing to get a bottle and try it but will have to wait until more finances come in. Thanks for bringing that to my attention! The only thing that boggles me is why Doug Kaufman suggests this product. He's really into the whole fungal, mold issues and this is his top product he suggests for everybody. Do you know Doug Kaufman from that show Know The Cause? I never even noticed it contained mushrooms... .thought those were medicinal.

Cayce

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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yes, I'd take him off.......the fruit-eze is a good product I believe, but trust me, we used everything under the sun and the only thing that ever helped and actually showed improving the condition without laxatives was the kirkman's probiotics.....................

I just posted about juice plus fiber boxes as well................very helpful

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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Jeanie,

Have you tried the fruit-eze? If so......why do you think it did not work for you? Just trying to get others ideas of what they have tried and what did not work. I have heard of juice plus chewable vitamins but my son HATED them and would not eat them. He does not like things he has to chew or that are gummy! It's a pain for sure. The kirkmans is on my list to try. I just have to wait now till we run out of the other because my husband will kill me if I wasted two months of probiotics and then ordered more!

Cayce

From: cayceus <cayceusyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: This is what is working so far!!To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

Hello all! Sorry I have not been around much but been very busy with life. My son has been off of miralax since Janruary! It was very scary at first and we've had many difficulties when we took him off. We took him off cold turkey after telling the GAstro doc that we were not satisfied with the side effects, etc. He went to the bathroom regularly after that for several weeks....still in his diaper of course. He is three years old and two months old! We found that after the miralax had left his system and wore off that he had a HARD time pushing out the poo on his own even when it was relatively soft. He would become frustrated, etc. Almost like his bowels were paralyzed! We ended up using over the counter stool softeners, senna strips for another month and this is what worked for us for a while. Over time though my son got good at holding it in...this was our biggests struggle. He was having reactions to the pedi-lax stool softener so we took him

off of it. Little did we know that it contained a small amount of PEG and red dye which he is allergic to we just found out.I found myself feeling pushed to use suppositories, etc and it only took once for my son to realize that he would rather sit on the potty and try to go rather than have these awful things daily. So....that night after having a horrible fight with him and having to resort to an enema that night because he refused to poop in his diaper anymore....he cried as he announced that he wanted to try the potty! Little did I know that this was a blessing in disguise and now looking back I feel SURE that it was impossible to potty train him while on a laxative and he got so tired of pooping in his pants and us having to change him. He pooped in the potty from that day on! I have tried to drop all laxatives, etc but once he has had a hard poop things seem to reverse again. Fear sets in and then he starts witholding again. So this is

what we are doing at the moment that seems to be working:I daily give him a teaspoon of Bowel formula #3 by Dr. Schulze....which is an herbal formula to help with constipation and to prevent it. Seems to be working marvelously.Along with that I give him one capsule of colace daily which is just a stool softener without all the laxative stuff, stimulants in it. I think over time as he gets past the fear of going we can then take him off the stool softener, etc and gradually take him off the bowel formula as well. Along with this we are doing a really healthy diet with lots of fiber, juice, probiotics, supplements like aloe vera and daily potty sits. We do potty sits after breakfast and dinner. Some days he cries and does not want to go and then some days is fine! Im just so happy to be off the miralax this long. We will keep going and see what the next steps will be. We are doing antifungals, etc and working on his tummy issues. One day

hoping he will be home free! Once it warms up we will go all out with the potty training and train him to also pee pee in the potty instead of a pull up. This is a HUGE leap for us! We never want to go back to miralax or harsh laxatives.

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