RE: Dissertation(s) (WAS: Diabetes Int Group)

August 20, 2000

Some of your points came to my mind too but then I thought....what the

heck give the guy a break! It doesn't really matter to me in the long

run if his ultimate goal is to lurk for awhile and than TELL us he is

lurking and measure the difference or if he is doing this by himself or

it is a group project or if his topic is this group in particular or

internet support groups in general or if it is just to get some stupid

school project (that will be in some school library where no one will

ever see it again) done so he can graduate and get on with his REAL

life. are you trying to tell us that you will be on your best

behavior during the time he lurks.....how boring!

Thornton wrote:

>

> What doesn't make much sense is that now we know we are going to be

> watched

> we might all tend to be on our best behaviour and he might get a

> distorted

> picture (I am not always on my best behaviour when I am not being

> watched).

>

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> Public website for Diabetes International:

> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

>

August 20, 2000

Thornton wrote:

> You imply that it doesn't matter to us as individual group members

> what he

> does with the collected group intellectual property.

> Actually that is incorrect...I didn't " imply " anything...I SAID

> it didn't matter to ME. Now that was my vote and you are free to cast

> yours anyway you see fit.

>

> In any case, I can see no reason why he shouldn't tell is in detail

> exactly

> what he proposes to research (group behaviour on-line, how diabetics

> talk to

> each other, how easy it is getting permission to reuse group archives,

> how

> many grammatical errors are made per posting, etc.) say, in about 300

> to 400

> words.

>

> If he does that won't it nullify the whole project since we would know

> what he is looking at and change our behavior accordingly? Of course

> he may be assessing how paranoid we are.

>

> ... or if he is being funded by the marketing department of some

> pharmaceutical company that wants to know what makes diabetics tick

> (react

> the fastest) so that they can fine-tune their advertising to get the

> highest

> diabetic reader attention scores for their upcoming meter ads?

>

> I think that would be easy enough to check out since he says he is

> from a well respected university.

>

> If I follow your line I would give the eight guys (or gals) a break

> and send

> each one of them a message. The only thing holding me back is that it

> all looks a bit suspicious ...

> Like I said above he should be easy enough for Teri to check out and

> maybe our identifying information could be deleted on her end. I do

> think it is a little pretentious to label what is written here as

> " intellectual property " except for your writings of course.

>

> > are you trying to tell us that you will be

> > on your best behavior during the time he lurks

> >.....how boring!

>

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> Von:

> An: <diabetes_integroups>

> Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. August 2000 19:43

> Betreff: Re: Dissertation(s) (WAS: Diabetes Int Group)

>

> > Some of your points came to my mind too but then I thought....what

> the

> > heck give the guy a break! It doesn't really matter to me in the

> long

> > run if his ultimate goal is to lurk for awhile and than TELL us he

> is

> > lurking and measure the difference or if he is doing this by himself

> or

> > it is a group project or if his topic is this group in particular or

>

> > internet support groups in general or if it is just to get some

> stupid

> > school project (that will be in some school library where no one

> will

> > ever see it again) done so he can graduate and get on with his REAL

> > life. are you trying to tell us that you will be on your best

> > behavior during the time he lurks.....how boring!

> >

> > Thornton wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > What doesn't make much sense is that now we know we are going to

> be

> > > watched

> > > we might all tend to be on our best behaviour and he might get a

> > > distorted

> > > picture (I am not always on my best behaviour when I am not being

> > > watched).

> > >

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> > > Public website for Diabetes International:

> > > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

> > >

> >

> > Public website for Diabetes International:

> > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

> >

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> Public website for Diabetes International:

> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

>

August 20, 2000

Who?!?! Us?!?! Behave ourselves?? Never gonna happen!!

Dissertation(s) (WAS: Diabetes Int Group)

Teri

> I have told him that I would post his email

> to the group, and then I'll get back to him with

> a collective response.

What doesn't make much sense is that now we know we are going to be watched

we might all tend to be on our best behaviour and he might get a distorted

picture (I am not always on my best behaviour when I am not being watched).

Of course, since the project goal is for him to get his doctorate, I suppose

it doesn't matter to humanity or the diabetic community whether his results

are meaningful or (like many other dissertations) not.

August 20, 2000

Oh c'mon you guys. You are all rather mischievous at times and get just a

little bit out of sorts occasionally but you're all very intelligent and do

a great deal of thinking and studying about this diabetic situation. Even

(who I simply adore) admits that sometimes when we voice our opinion

it does us more good than anyone else. That isn't exactly how he put it but

it still boils down to the same thing. Dave always injects his little

aphorisms which I consider really refreshing. (BTW , it's mostly his

fault that I still giggle all of the time.) The girls get kind of carried

away too (and that includes me) I get on my soap box pretty often. I

really can't see a lot of harm in his being in the lurking mode if it really

is so that he can graduate and get on with his career.....whatever that

might be. After all, it's only going to be for about 3 weeks. What can it

possibly hurt? I think IMHO that this is a really terrific group with the

most wonderful people in the world on here and he's mighty lucky to have the

opportunity to " sit in and see what goes on. There's so much that he will

learn from our members about love, compassion and concern for each other.

We are all in this battle together to try and beat this " curse " . He should

get though this experience a much more understanding person if he will just

listen with his heart and not just his ears. (In this case with his eyes)

LOL. I don't object if the rest of you are in agreement.

Love to all,

Tootie

Dissertation(s) (WAS: Diabetes Int Group)

Teri

> I have told him that I would post his email

> to the group, and then I'll get back to him with

> a collective response.

What doesn't make much sense is that now we know we are going to be

watched

we might all tend to be on our best behaviour and he might get a distorted

picture (I am not always on my best behaviour when I am not being

watched).

Of course, since the project goal is for him to get his doctorate, I

suppose

it doesn't matter to humanity or the diabetic community whether his

results

are meaningful or (like many other dissertations) not.

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Public website for Diabetes International:

http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

August 20, 2000

> Some of your points came to my mind too but

> then I thought....what the heck give the guy a break!

> It doesn't really matter to me in the long run if his

> ultimate goal is to lurk for awhile and than TELL us

> he is lurking and measure the difference or if he is

> doing this by himself or it is a group project or if his

> topic is this group in particular or internet support

> groups in general ....

He might well be trying to compare our group behavour on-line to group

behaviour in person-to-person social contact generally, which, in my opinion

would be as I suggested, namely that groups tend to defend themselves

against outsiders who try to obtain some benefit from the group without

making any contribution to the group.

You imply that it doesn't matter to us as individual group members what he

does with the collected group intellectual property. Well, I for one would

not like him or anybody else to get that impression because it has a value.

In fact, we voted to make access to the group archives conditional upon the

accessor being a group member. Why did we bother to do that if we place no

value on them?

In any case, I can see no reason why he shouldn't tell is in detail exactly

what he proposes to research (group behaviour on-line, how diabetics talk to

each other, how easy it is getting permission to reuse group archives, how

many grammatical errors are made per posting, etc.) say, in about 300 to 400

words.

And since he wants to use our stuff, why can't he promise to let us

see what he makes out of it? If you accept the view that he was courteous

enough to ask us first then shouldn't we be just as courteous back and take

some interest in his work?

> ... or if it is just to get some stupid school project

> (that will be in some school library where no one will

> ever see it again) done so he can graduate and get

> on with his REAL life.

.... or if he is being funded by the marketing department of some

pharmaceutical company that wants to know what makes diabetics tick (react

the fastest) so that they can fine-tune their advertising to get the highest

diabetic reader attention scores for their upcoming meter ads?

I had an e-mail from some organization telling me that they have checked

their information mail distribution list and want to be sure that my name

wasn't put on the list by somebody without my permission. Would I please

send an e-mail to the following address if I wish them to discontinue

mailings? The strange thing is, I have never received any mailings from that

organization, never. And up to now I have had a total of eight similar

e-mails from eight different organizations, all with very slightly different

wording but essentially the same content.

If I follow your line I would give the eight guys (or gals) a break and send

each one of them a message. The only thing holding me back is that it

all looks a bit suspicious ...

> are you trying to tell us that you will be

> on your best behavior during the time he lurks

>.....how boring!

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

Von:

An: <diabetes_integroups>

Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. August 2000 19:43

Betreff: Re: Dissertation(s) (WAS: Diabetes Int Group)

> Some of your points came to my mind too but then I thought....what the

> heck give the guy a break! It doesn't really matter to me in the long

> run if his ultimate goal is to lurk for awhile and than TELL us he is

> lurking and measure the difference or if he is doing this by himself or

> it is a group project or if his topic is this group in particular or

> internet support groups in general or if it is just to get some stupid

> school project (that will be in some school library where no one will

> ever see it again) done so he can graduate and get on with his REAL

> life. are you trying to tell us that you will be on your best

> behavior during the time he lurks.....how boring!

>

> Thornton wrote:

>

> >

> > What doesn't make much sense is that now we know we are going to be

> > watched

> > we might all tend to be on our best behaviour and he might get a

> > distorted

> > picture (I am not always on my best behaviour when I am not being

> > watched).

> >

> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> > Public website for Diabetes International:

> > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

> >

>

> Public website for Diabetes International:

> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

>

August 20, 2000

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