Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hi , I agree with , that possibly something else is going on. Getting enough iron is difficult for many people. This is probably why iron deficiency is still the number one nutritional deficiency world-wide. Iron absorption from foods is limited. According to the Nutrition Almanac only 2% to 10% of the iron in beans, fruits, and vegetables is absorbed. Animal sources of iron are better absorbed. While the body can use several forms of iron, such as ferric or ferrous iron, ferrous is better, the best form is heme iron. Actually heme iron makes other forms of iron more absorbable, so it's probably best to take a heme iron supplement with a meal of red meat.Some things that can interfere with iron absorption are low hydrochloric acid in the stomach or a low salt diet, which often lowers chlorine (the Cl in NaCl) resulting in NOT enough HCl. Taking a good digestive enzyme with the iron supplement should assist the absorption.A high alkaline diet might interfere since iron needs an acid environment. Eat more acid foods with your iron. Too much roughage in the diet can speed up intestinal transit time and reduce iron absorption. Too much coffee, tea, phytates (from grains), oxalates (spinach, rhubarb), and phosphates can all interfere with iron absorption.The nutrients that need to be present for iron absorption are: B-12 (try a high potency, 3000 mcg); folic acid (400-800 mcg); vitamin C (1000 mgs); vitamin A; copper; calcium; manganese; molybdenum; and other B complex vitamins.Excessive intake of vitamin E and zinc can interfere with iron absorption. Vitamin E in amounts like 800-1000 IU per day can cause iron deficiency (causing ear aches). Do NOT take more zinc than iron, since that can also deplete iron.You might want to experiment with different levels of the B vitamins. It may be that you need more B vitamins and need to get up to 200 mgs per day quantity. However, I think it is wise to try the other things first though. It is also critically important to note that we need to balance copper, zinc, and iron, to prevent and correct bad health. Each of these three minerals affect and can deplete the other two, these minerals work together. Each one affects the other two. If any one of the three is ingested in large amounts it depletes the other two. Likewise if one of the three gets deficient, then the other two may not be utilized and therefore build up in the liver, hair, or other tissues. I hope this helps, ~Bj > >> > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping when > > they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the thyroid > > a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is slightly > > high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and all I > > can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the way, > > I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill in > > the morning, vitamins in the evening.)> >> > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage now, > > I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two > > weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise.> >> > Thanks,> > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Thanks, BJ and for replying. I just googled a little. Seems iron can have both a positive and negative impact on thyroid levels. At this point I am just guessing that is what is making my TSH go up but I don't really know. (I am lucky in that my TSH usually is accurate for me. But my free T4 was well within normal range 1.4 (.9-1.7)). To answer your question, - I may have felt a little better taking the multi-vitamin with iron. I think I was mainly taking it to give my immune system a boost while I was being treated for Lyme. Then when I ran out I tried the generic of the One-a-Day formulation and oh MY was it constipating! I felt awful, so went off it. I have an easy to absorb formulation for iron I have taken in the past - Easy Iron by Puritan's Pride. Lots of bottles sitting in my cabinets - but I never felt better before while taking it. It includes Folic Acid, Vitamin C and B-12. The last endo I saw mentioned that one of the only reasons I might need to have an endo and not a GP monitor my thyroid condition is if I get pregnant or start taking iron. He said otherwise my condition could be managed by a GP and my levels probably wouldn't fluctuate at this point. I didn't ask him but I assume he was implying that taking iron can lower thyroid levels or make them harder to normalize. Anyone else had their TSH go up on iron? Again, I don't take my thyroid pill anywhere near the iron or other supplements... I'm talking like 8-12 hours apart. Here are some links on the iron paradox I just found. The second link is particularly interesting, from another Hashis patient. http://www.livestrong.com/article/466350-iron-supplements-thyroid/ http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/iron.htm > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping when > > they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the thyroid > > a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is slightly > > high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and all I > > can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the way, > > I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill in > > the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage now, > > I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two > > weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hi , I was a little confused by your post...when you get periods every two weeks that means you are hyper? I have always thought I was hypo (tests aren't reflecting it but I have hashi's) and my period comes every two weeks. The last two months I have been getting it three weeks out of the month! Can you tell me if periods every two weeks is hypo or hyper or can it be both? Thanks. > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise. > > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Yes that was me! Thank you for your answer. I am just very confused and am trying to figure out whether to start taking hormones. I took the TRH test and it didn't yield much which I was surprised about. My baseline TSH was 3 and then it went up to 16. Looking online it seems as if it should go up much higher if I were hypo. The doctor wanted to treat me anyway but I am hesitant to just start taking stuff. I did find out my reverse t3 is high (51 and range was 11-32. So my theory now is that even though the TSH freet3 and ft4 are normal the reverse t3 is blocking the t3 from being used. I don't know if what I just said is correct but it is my current theory! > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 So your TSH is 16 now? Just an fyi - though the TSH isn't reliable for everyone, I don't think I've heard anyone on these boards with a TSH that high say they weren't, in fact, hypo. I don't know much about reverse T3 though. Not sure I've ever had mine tested. Btw, my TSH is 6.77 - that's high enough for me to know I have low thyroid or am at least starting to swing that way. Sometimes it takes a while for all the tests to " catch up. " > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 No my TSH was 16 after the TRH test which stimulates your pituitary to release the TSH. They take the baseline TSH (mine was 3) and then inject you, wait 30 minutes and then take a second TSH reading. From what I was reading online 16 does not seem to be high for the second reading. If my TSH was 16 initially I would have no problem taking hormones! It is just the ambiguity if the situation that leaves me confused. > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 You need to find a doctor that uses T3 or the "Wiley Protocol." It is dangerous to go too low in thyroid- you can get an almost comatose state. Taking thyroid is not a medicine, it is a replacement hormone, and a hormone that your body cannot work without! It is like taking Estrogen if you don't have any, except more important. A 16 for TSH is crazy high.... something is not right! You need to have free T3 and free T4 tested, and anti-bodies as well if you are getting blood taken! So your TSH is 16 now? Just an fyi - though the TSH isn't reliable for everyone, I don't think I've heard anyone on these boards with a TSH that high say they weren't, in fact, hypo. I don't know much about reverse T3 though. Not sure I've ever had mine tested. Btw, my TSH is 6.77 - that's high enough for me to know I have low thyroid or am at least starting to swing that way. Sometimes it takes a while for all the tests to "catch up." > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Hi BJ, I am so excited that you wrote back! I have been waiting for you to write back on my other posts because I have read your other posts and really appreciate the advice you give. That being said I need a little bit of help if you don't mind! I was diagnosed hashi's three weeks ago. I have been trying to navigate through all of the information and it is a little confusing. Ok here are my numbers: High Numbers: Thyroglobulin Antibodies: 1827.3 Range: less than 60 TPO Antibodies: 397.3 Range: less than 5 Reverse T3: 51 ng/dL Range: 11 – 32 Within Range: Free T3 3.0 pg/mL Range: 2.3 – 4.2 Free T4 1.23 ng/dL Range .8 – 1.8 TSH 3rd gen. 2.91 uIu/mL Range was .545 – 4.784 I have no idea what to make of all of this. One of the doctors I saw wants to treat me another doesn't. I have no idea if I should be treated when I am not hypo. As far as the TRH I went to Dr. Kellman in Manhattan whom interviewed in her about column. I do not know what he injected me with. I will definitely find out though! But I found your comment on the TSH levels interesting. I had never heard that when your TSH doubles then that means you are hypo. I had just saw the ranges online and I saw that I was completely within the range. Are you sure that if your TSH doubles than that definitely means you are hypo? Do you mind if I ask where you heard that from? My theory is this: that my reverse t3 is blocking the receptor sites so my t3 isn't being used – is this correct? Is that even possible? I am also unsure about the ratio of reverse t3 to t3 – is my ratio a normal ratio? As far as experiencing symptoms go,I have felt this way for so long that I don't even know what I am feeling anymore. Yes, my joints and muscles hurt, yes I have fatigue - but fatigue is relative! I am not sure if what I am experiencing is so different from what another person is. The single biggest indicator for me is that I get my period every two weeks, the last two months three weeks of the month. My gyno today wanted to take me off of the " tri " birth controls and put me on the mono birth control pills to see if that would regulate my period since she thinks that it is my pill that is causing me to have it every two weeks even though I was getting it every two weeks before I went on the pill. Thank you so much for any help you can give me. I feel so confused! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels > dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give > the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH > is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, > and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By > the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid > pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid > dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods > every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Thanks, BJ - this is interesting info - do you have reference links so I can read more? I am a little hesitant to do something that messes up my TSH unless I get clear and quick results. My recent higher TSH would also explain my recurrent infections (not Lyme) and low energy lately. I've had at least one doc in the past tell me firmly I'm not anemic, so I'm not likely to get support regarding iron supplementation I would guess. As I remember my iron levels were all in the normal range years ago but ferritin was low-normal, then did increase when I was taking iron back then but I never felt any different from it - just got screwed up thyroid levels. I'll think it over though and maybe at least start with a multi-vitamin without iron in case it's the other nutrients I'm missing. Thanks again, > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping > when > > > > they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the > thyroid > > > > a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is > slightly > > > > high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and > all I > > > > can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the > way, > > > > I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill > in > > > > the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage > now, > > > > I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two > > > > weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 I don't think there is a "fast" way to see the changes. I was told by my MD that they like to wait 5-6 weeks to test TSH as it changes gradually. When I went on a T3 only protocol for some months, the changes I felt were gradual over the course of a couple of months. But the brain fog left, the more heavy fatigue lifted, weight went down, skin dryness lessened, etc. Then I was left with some fatigue and sleep issues that were adrenals and I have been using vitamins/ adrenal cortex to boost my adrenals. That is also resolving over time. There are some good people who are knowledgeable on these issues on the Yahoo group NTH- Adrenals. Thanks, BJ - this is interesting info - do you have reference links so I can read more? I am a little hesitant to do something that messes up my TSH unless I get clear and quick results. My recent higher TSH would also explain my recurrent infections (not Lyme) and low energy lately. I've had at least one doc in the past tell me firmly I'm not anemic, so I'm not likely to get support regarding iron supplementation I would guess. As I remember my iron levels were all in the normal range years ago but ferritin was low-normal, then did increase when I was taking iron back then but I never felt any different from it - just got screwed up thyroid levels. I'll think it over though and maybe at least start with a multi-vitamin without iron in case it's the other nutrients I'm missing. Thanks again, > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping > when > > > > they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the > thyroid > > > > a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is > slightly > > > > high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and > all I > > > > can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the > way, > > > > I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill > in > > > > the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage > now, > > > > I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two > > > > weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Thanks, . What kind of MD do you see who is actually knowledgeable in this iron/ thyroid issue? No one has ever raised a flag with me, so it would be a huge battle and search to take on not even knowing if this is really a problem. My current doc will want to get my TSH down and I'm thinking I probably should too, then retest again in a month because I probably only need an increase in thyroid temporarily if the iron I took for 3 weeks is the culprit. Playing with iron/ thyroid sounds tricky if indeed it messes up my thyroid test results - it might only be for those who feel pretty bad and need to try different things. I would need more good research links not only to convince myself but possibly show an MD. So please forward if you have them. Right now I am just not seeing enough evidence for this pro-iron treatment and I need to get rid of these chronic infections driving me nuts..! > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping > > > when > > > > > > they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the > > > thyroid > > > > > > a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is > > > slightly > > > > > > high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and > > > all I > > > > > > can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the > > > way, > > > > > > I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill > > > in > > > > > > the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage > > > now, > > > > > > I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two > > > > > > weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Hi , Just how high is your TSH? From what I know, the iron you were taking is NOT raising your TSH. It could be from suddenly stopping it, giving your body stress. Or it could be something else that is raising your TSH. Personally, I would retest in a couple months, it could be a lab mix-up. TSH can rise in the colder months. Your gland function can drop due to progression of Hashis damage. There are a number of other things, such as potency fluctuations in your medication; did you use another pharmacy or a different lab for testing? Are you under a lot of STRESS? Or do you have other illness? Are you taking your T4 at the same time each day? Sudden changes in your diet can cause TSH fluctuations as well. Have you started or stopped fiber? Are you eating lots of goitrogenic foods? Make sure you are NOT eating too much soy, calcium, and iron foods or taking supplemental iron too close to your thyroid med. Also, extra iron should not be taken unless you are deficient in it. A small amount in a multi should be fine. Also, as previously mentioned, iron should NOT be taken by anyone with active infection(s), as iron promotes growth of many micro-organisms. Also, in studies of high iron (iron overload) TSH stayed in the normal range. It seems to decrease with iron deficiency though, not increase. I believe you posted a few years back links to the iron institute and other iron organizations. Look at those for a refresher. Here is a study that says mineral deficiencies such as iodine, iron, selenium, and zinc can impair thyroid function. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12487769 Hope this helps, ~Bj > > > > >> > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels dropping> > when> > > > > they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give the> > thyroid> > > > > a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH is> > slightly> > > > > high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month, and> > all I> > > > > can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By the> > way,> > > > > I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid pill> > in> > > > > the morning, vitamins in the evening.)> > > > >> > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid dosage> > now,> > > > > I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods every two> > > > > weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Hi , Due to other things needing my attention, I will just address the rT3 issues right now. I will get back to you about the other things, just not today. Reduced T3 levels occur during illness, fasting, or stress. It slows the metabolism of many tissues. Because of the slowed metabolism, the body does not eliminate rT3 as rapidly as usual. The slowed elimination from the body allows rT3 level in the blood to increase considerably. A high level of rT3 means the body is trying to prevent a catabolic meltdown; usually from high cortisol, but also seen with lower cortisol, certain illnesses, dieting and stress. The liver, also, makes rT3 when we are STRESSED for any reason. RT3 is just one of the many symptoms of leaky gut although on some support groups you'd think it is its own disease. We see patients all the time given T4-only levothyroxine drugs while ignoring T3 hormone and the autoimmune connection; thus diagnosing more and more diseases as time goes by. The protective checks and balances of the body deserve to be given a lot more appreciation and not just a passing mention. So I would give a lot more emphasis to appreciation and causes instead of using extraordinary measures to override a high rT3. The body is trying to buy time, though we may not feel well. What does this mean exactly??? Our thyroid is catabolic (a metabolic process in which energy is released through the conversion of complex molecules into simpler ones), which bring about a system melt down the higher it goes. T3 is what the body uses after various conversions. Making higher amounts of rT3 is our body's way of lowering T3 to minimize meltdown. It is a protective action. This buys time and keeps us alive longer in a stressful situation. In other words, don't worry about a high rT3; it is just the body doing its job. Bottom line, studies prove this is temporary although about three doctors say rT3 gets stuck and has to be fixed by extraordinary measures. I don't buy that theory. To wellness, ~Bj > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels> > dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should give> > the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my TSH> > is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a month,> > and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. (By> > the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. Thyroid> > pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my thyroid> > dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods> > every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady otherwise.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Hi BJ, Thank you so much for your detailed response. I really appreciate it. On a reverse t3 boards they were saying I was definitely hypo and needed t3 only treatment. I don't want to make any hasty decisions…my main goal is to be healthy for when I want to be pregnant (in about a year). That being said, I had a work-up of a bunch of stuff done, and my cortisol seems fine (taken by blood not a 24 hour test): Cortisol Total Serum: 16.6 mcg/dL and the reference range for am was 4-22 and pm was 3-17. My blood was drawn around 1:00 pm. So I don't think it is my cortisol causing the reverse t3 increase. I also do not think I have leaky gut – I don't really have digestion problems. And when they did the celiac disease panel it all came out negative and completely within range. How necessary is it for me to do a stool test and a 24-hour saliva cortisol test? Thanks again for the reply and I appreciate you saying you would get back to me about the other parts of the post! - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels > > > dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should > give > > > the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my > TSH > > > is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a > month, > > > and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. > (By > > > the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. > Thyroid > > > pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my > thyroid > > > dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods > > > every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady > otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Hi , Reverse T3 ~~ There are a lot of people that put a deal deal of stock into the rT3 protocol and the calculations that Dr Holtorf created and uses. However, after much research and listening to what others are saying, it is quite apparent that the rT3 levels in people are *normal* at *all levels -- high and low* -- depending on the person. And they improve with fixing the things that caused them to go high or low. It is necessary to correct the underlying problem. I feel there is *not* a ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL formula for everyone---not even for those who have supposedly cleared their rT3 *problem.* Why would it be different for rT3? We know that a ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL approach does NOT work well for Hashis and all illness? In a nutshell, my doctor's philosophy is to replenish thyroid hormones, limit stress – both physical and emotional stress, address and fix adrenal fatigue high or low cortisol, and treating the underlying cause(s). This can be by improving detoxification pathways, cleaning up the diet, eating - sleeping and exercising regularly, looking at allergies and food intolerances; and finding vitamin and mineral deficiencies that impair T4 to t3 conversion (which promotes high rT3 levels); as well as balancing other hormones if needed. It worked well for me, the snag is it takes patience and time. Cortisol ~~ Regarding your cortisol blood test, it seems high to me. My doctor treats at low or high 20% within range. He says it will just go lower or higher if left alone or dismissed as normal. For a serum cortisol test, the blood should be drawn at 8 am on an empty stomach. I think blood should be drawn at/after 4pm for the pm serum cortisol test. I'd retest cortisol in a month or two at the appropriate time of day, and also ask for an ACTH test at that time. High cortisol does not just affect the adrenals it can increase risk for infection, impairs our glucose metabolism, blood pressure, insulin release for blood sugar maintenance and balance, immune function, and causes further inflammatory responses plus a whole lot more, too much to go into here including irregular periods. For now, you may want to consider taking basic adrenal supplements of vitamin C, B-complex, magnesium, omega 3 fatty acids from fish oil and a multi-mineral-complex; and limit (better to stop) caffeine intake. (Besides the adrenal connection, some people's immune system mistakes coffee for gluten, triggering a reaction.) Gluten ~~ If you tested the antibody tests for Celiac disease, the serum tests are highly misleading and unreliable. That is unless you have actual Celiac disease. Normally the blood antibody tests for Celiac are: 1) IgA Anti-gliadin antibodies (AGA), 2) IgG Anti-gliadin antibodies (AGA) Note: a positive value on this test indicates gluten intolerance. Even if celiac specific tests (next two) are negative, your body is still having an immune reaction to gluten and you may benefit from a GF diet. 3) Anti tissue transglutaminase antibodies (tTG) (computer analysis, not reader dependent) 4) Antiendomysial antibodies (EMA) (more expensive, reader dependent) 5) Total IgA (to rule out false negatives due to IgA deficiency) The tests that reveal gluten intolerance are the HLA/DQ gene tests. The HLA genes are the ones that are associated with the predispositions for autoimmune diseases as well as other immune dysfunction. For example that same genotype predisposes one to be made ill from mold exposure. You can read more about these HLA genotypes at:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_leukocyte_antigen and http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/geneFamily/hla Also note, that DQ2 and DQ8 are associated with Celiac disease while DQ1,3,5,6,and 7 are associated with gluten intolerance as well as other diseases. Every time gluten is eaten the immune system launches an attack not only against gluten but also the thyroid. Thyroid molecules and gluten protein are very similar in structure. It is also important to understand that the immune response to gluten can last up to six months after each time gluten is ingested. Some people believe that the most accurate tests for gluten sensitivity is the Enterolab stool test. However, it is still possible to have gluten sensitivity and not have above normal levels of anti-bodies. This can happen for many reasons for example: 1) some individuals don't produce high levels of any antibodies. They should always test for the *Total*" whenever they do any antibody testing (Those that have low IgA when testing IgA antibodies will NOT show above normal levels.) 2) Our immune systems may be so compromised, that it is NOT able to produce high levels of antibodies - for example, you may have high levels of thyroid antibodies and thus your body is using its energy to produce those. 3) The ranges for many labs are based on a mathematical model (usually a bell shaped curve) of the lab values for X number of people. Those ranges can include sick people. When I had the Enterolab test done, my antibodies were 5 and the upper end of the range is 10. I assumed I was negative for gluten intolerance. I had already reduced my gluten intake so I thought I did NOT have a gluten issue. Wrong, as when I added it back into my diet, I had a very strong reaction. This happens because our immune systems get a break when we go off gluten and then our bodies recoop and are able to mount a stronger immune reaction when it is re-exposed. In addition, gluten cross-reactivity is common with dairy as its structure so closely resembles that of gluten. In fact 50 percent of people who are sensitive to gluten are also sensitive to dairy. The stool test may or may not be helpful while the 24 hour cortisol salvia testing will show our cortisol function levels at different times throughout the day. You may want to test if things don't improve. Mine showed low morning, noon and evening but night was high plus my daily total cortisol level was depressed even with the high night level. This is getting long so will stop for now. I hope you continue to pursue the regimen that causes your health to be the best it can be!! To wellness, ~Bj > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels> > > > dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should> > give> > > > the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my> > TSH> > > > is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a> > month,> > > > and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin.> > (By> > > > the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill.> > Thyroid> > > > pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my> > thyroid> > > > dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods> > > > every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady> > otherwise.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Becky,Just wanted to thank you for your posts. They are very helpful.I'm amazed at peoples dedication on the referse T3 board, playing around with T3 to get it right. I have been on levo over 14 years.. It has not always been great, but I'm surviving. My new doc lowered my levo slightly and we are adding t3 with b12, d and iron. I'm seeing how I like it. When reading their post it seems like a yoyo take more one day, take less the other. It seems as though many just feel horrible. You question yourself why not get stable on t4 meds, then later add T3 as supplement? But as you say there is no one size fits all with Hashimoto.. Hi , Reverse T3 ~~ There are a lot of people that put a deal deal of stock into the rT3 protocol and the calculations that Dr Holtorf created and uses. However, after much research and listening to what others are saying, it is quite apparent that the rT3 levels in people are *normal* at *all levels -- high and low* -- depending on the person. And they improve with fixing the things that caused them to go high or low. It is necessary to correct the underlying problem. I feel there is *not* a ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL formula for everyone---not even for those who have supposedly cleared their rT3 *problem.* Why would it be different for rT3? We know that a ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL approach does NOT work well for Hashis and all illness? In a nutshell, my doctor's philosophy is to replenish thyroid hormones, limit stress – both physical and emotional stress, address and fix adrenal fatigue high or low cortisol, and treating the underlying cause(s). This can be by improving detoxification pathways, cleaning up the diet, eating - sleeping and exercising regularly, looking at allergies and food intolerances; and finding vitamin and mineral deficiencies that impair T4 to t3 conversion (which promotes high rT3 levels); as well as balancing other hormones if needed. It worked well for me, the snag is it takes patience and time. Cortisol ~~ Regarding your cortisol blood test, it seems high to me. My doctor treats at low or high 20% within range. He says it will just go lower or higher if left alone or dismissed as normal. For a serum cortisol test, the blood should be drawn at 8 am on an empty stomach. I think blood should be drawn at/after 4pm for the pm serum cortisol test. I'd retest cortisol in a month or two at the appropriate time of day, and also ask for an ACTH test at that time. High cortisol does not just affect the adrenals it can increase risk for infection, impairs our glucose metabolism, blood pressure, insulin release for blood sugar maintenance and balance, immune function, and causes further inflammatory responses plus a whole lot more, too much to go into here including irregular periods. For now, you may want to consider taking basic adrenal supplements of vitamin C, B-complex, magnesium, omega 3 fatty acids from fish oil and a multi-mineral-complex; and limit (better to stop) caffeine intake. (Besides the adrenal connection, some people's immune system mistakes coffee for gluten, triggering a reaction.) Gluten ~~ If you tested the antibody tests for Celiac disease, the serum tests are highly misleading and unreliable. That is unless you have actual Celiac disease. Normally the blood antibody tests for Celiac are: 1) IgA Anti-gliadin antibodies (AGA), 2) IgG Anti-gliadin antibodies (AGA) Note: a positive value on this test indicates gluten intolerance. Even if celiac specific tests (next two) are negative, your body is still having an immune reaction to gluten and you may benefit from a GF diet. 3) Anti tissue transglutaminase antibodies (tTG) (computer analysis, not reader dependent) 4) Antiendomysial antibodies (EMA) (more expensive, reader dependent) 5) Total IgA (to rule out false negatives due to IgA deficiency) The tests that reveal gluten intolerance are the HLA/DQ gene tests. The HLA genes are the ones that are associated with the predispositions for autoimmune diseases as well as other immune dysfunction. For example that same genotype predisposes one to be made ill from mold exposure. You can read more about these HLA genotypes at:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_leukocyte_antigen and http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/geneFamily/hla Also note, that DQ2 and DQ8 are associated with Celiac disease while DQ1,3,5,6,and 7 are associated with gluten intolerance as well as other diseases. Every time gluten is eaten the immune system launches an attack not only against gluten but also the thyroid. Thyroid molecules and gluten protein are very similar in structure. It is also important to understand that the immune response to gluten can last up to six months after each time gluten is ingested. Some people believe that the most accurate tests for gluten sensitivity is the Enterolab stool test. However, it is still possible to have gluten sensitivity and not have above normal levels of anti-bodies. This can happen for many reasons for example: 1) some individuals don't produce high levels of any antibodies. They should always test for the *Total*" whenever they do any antibody testing (Those that have low IgA when testing IgA antibodies will NOT show above normal levels.) 2) Our immune systems may be so compromised, that it is NOT able to produce high levels of antibodies - for example, you may have high levels of thyroid antibodies and thus your body is using its energy to produce those. 3) The ranges for many labs are based on a mathematical model (usually a bell shaped curve) of the lab values for X number of people. Those ranges can include sick people. When I had the Enterolab test done, my antibodies were 5 and the upper end of the range is 10. I assumed I was negative for gluten intolerance. I had already reduced my gluten intake so I thought I did NOT have a gluten issue. Wrong, as when I added it back into my diet, I had a very strong reaction. This happens because our immune systems get a break when we go off gluten and then our bodies recoop and are able to mount a stronger immune reaction when it is re-exposed. In addition, gluten cross-reactivity is common with dairy as its structure so closely resembles that of gluten. In fact 50 percent of people who are sensitive to gluten are also sensitive to dairy. The stool test may or may not be helpful while the 24 hour cortisol salvia testing will show our cortisol function levels at different times throughout the day. You may want to test if things don't improve. Mine showed low morning, noon and evening but night was high plus my daily total cortisol level was depressed even with the high night level. This is getting long so will stop for now. I hope you continue to pursue the regimen that causes your health to be the best it can be!! To wellness, ~Bj > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels> > > > dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should> > give> > > > the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my> > TSH> > > > is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a> > month,> > > > and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin.> > (By> > > > the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill.> > Thyroid> > > > pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my> > thyroid> > > > dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods> > > > every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady> > otherwise.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Hi , Thank you for your kind words. RT3 is a fairly new subject and anything written about it should be considered research and controversial at this time. Please, everyone hold anything you may hear about rT3 very loosely. IMHO, even the reference ranges and ratio for rT3 are suspect. I believe it can be as harmful as using TSH to Dx and treat hypoT. Thanks again, and I hope the changes you are implementing help you feel better. To wellness, ~Bj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had a problem with their thyroid levels > > > > > > dropping when they take iron? I've heard some say that iron should > > > > give > > > > > > the thyroid a boost. But I just got my thyroid test results and my > > > > TSH > > > > > > is slightly high again, after taking One-a-Day pills for about a > > > > month, > > > > > > and all I can determine is that it's from the iron in the vitamin. > > > > (By > > > > > > the way, I never take vitamins anywhere near my thyroid pill. > > > > Thyroid > > > > > > pill in the morning, vitamins in the evening.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've stopped the vitamin and if my doc adjusts my > > > > thyroid > > > > > > dosage now, I'm betting I'll go hyper again and start having periods > > > > > > every two weeks. Usually my thyroid levels are fairly steady > > > > otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Hi , I thought I posted this two days ago, but don't see it, so will try it again... Regarding the TRH test ~~ Most healthy patients' TSH will double on the TRH test and some healthy people can even go as high as hypoT patients, way above 20. The difference is a hypoT patient will hold an elevated TSH for several, even many hours. A healthy persons' TSH drops back to normal within 2 hours. My doc uses a somewhat strict accessment, he says that if a patient's TSH *more than* quadruples (increases four times) baseline TSH and it stays high over 3 hours the person is hypoT. Also, Dr Kellman says on his website that, "The TRH Stimulation Test in a normal person will raise the TSH to greater than 10; in a person with a low thyroid this number will be much higher." Did he give specific numbers? Does he have a specific cut off point hypoT vs non-hypoT. My doctor contacted an endocrinology expert at UCLA. The specialist told him that I have autoimmune Central Hypothyroidism. My doctor also told me that the specialist stated that subclinical hypoT is assumed if TSH *more than* triples at 30 minutes on the TRH test and stays high for at least two hours. Most literature says a person should be above 20 to confirm hypoT. I had to go back and look though my notes, he said a study showed that hypoT patients may have an increased TSH for four hours or longer but the non hypoTs had TSH that went back to baseline measurements BEFORE two hours, The study measured TSH at 2 and 4 hours post TRH injection. When a TRH test was done on a friend, his TSH went from 1.0 to 14.0 and it was 13.8 six hours later, so he was Dx as sunclinical hypoT. So, ISTM unless TSH is taken and tested between 2 or 4 hours post TRH injection a hypoT Dx may be missed. If Dr Kellman has a different method of interpretation please share it. I always want to learn new and different ways. How much TSH were you given? I took 500 mgs. I find that some experts say 200 mgs is the norm while many say 400 or 500 mgs is needed to get appropriate results. The amount administered may be enough for varied results. My dr mentioned that in the 1970s they used to test for TSH at 10, 20, 30, 45, 60, 90 and 180 minutes in patients after the TRH med was given. He compared it to the 3 hour blood sugar test – the first two tests at hours 1 and 2, can be high but unless you have a high reading at hour 3, it is likely that hypoglycemia may be missed and cannot be ruled out, so diabetes is Dx'd falsely. My blood sugar test showed high at 217, then lowered but still high at 165 the 2nd hour but I had already passed out before the third hour test, they tested me at 28. Due to great guidance from my dr I have since repaired my adrenals and have balanced blood sugar now, no more hypoG or low functioning adrenals. Frequent periods ~~ What tests did your gyn do for the frequent periods? Besides testing for thyroid disease my gyn tested and fixed or ruled out fibroids, cysts, polyps, adrenal and pituitary abnormalities via testing of cortisol, DHEAS, 17 hydroxyprogesterone, ACTH stimulation test, prolactin, FSH, LH, estrogens, progesterone, testosterone and ultra sound of the vagina, cervix or uterus etc. Also, I had a CBC and iron panel with ferritin to confirm or rule out anemia from the frequent bleeding. Has polycystic ovary syndrome been ruled out? Besides thyroid impairment, I had low iron, several fibroids, low and high cortisol, low DHEA and low other sex hormones (and other mineral dificiencies). I have since replenished all these as well. I also had to deal with and fix my low aldosterone. I still make sure to consume natural sea salt every day. To wellness and persuing good health, ~Bj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Greetings All, What is the relationship between Hypo/HpyerThyroiditis and Hypoglycemic. Woo, this gets interesting. Tyrone > > > Hi , > > I thought I posted this two days ago, but don't see it, so will try it > again... > > Regarding the TRH test ~~ Most healthy patients' TSH will double on the > TRH test and some healthy people can even go as high as hypoT patients, > way above 20. The difference is a hypoT patient will hold an elevated > TSH for several, even many hours. A healthy persons' TSH drops back to > normal within 2 hours. My doc uses a somewhat strict accessment, he > says that if a patient's TSH *more than* quadruples (increases four > times) baseline TSH and it stays high over 3 hours the person is hypoT. > > Also, Dr Kellman says on his website that, " The TRH Stimulation Test in > a normal person will raise the TSH to greater than 10; in a person with > a low thyroid this number will be much higher. " Did he give specific > numbers? Does he have a specific cut off point hypoT vs non-hypoT. > > My doctor contacted an endocrinology expert at UCLA. The specialist told > him that I have autoimmune Central Hypothyroidism. My doctor also told > me that the specialist stated that subclinical hypoT is assumed if TSH > *more than* triples at 30 minutes on the TRH test and stays high for at > least two hours. Most literature says a person should be above 20 to > confirm hypoT. I had to go back and look though my notes, he said a > study showed that hypoT patients may have an increased TSH for four > hours or longer but the non hypoTs had TSH that went back to baseline > measurements BEFORE two hours, The study measured TSH at 2 and 4 hours > post TRH injection. > > When a TRH test was done on a friend, his TSH went from 1.0 to 14.0 and > it was 13.8 six hours later, so he was Dx as sunclinical hypoT. So, > ISTM unless TSH is taken and tested between 2 or 4 hours post TRH > injection a hypoT Dx may be missed. > > If Dr Kellman has a different method of interpretation please share it. > I always want to learn new and different ways. How much TSH were you > given? I took 500 mgs. I find that some experts say 200 mgs is the > norm while many say 400 or 500 mgs is needed to get appropriate results. > The amount administered may be enough for varied results. > > My dr mentioned that in the 1970s they used to test for TSH at 10, 20, > 30, 45, 60, 90 and 180 minutes in patients after the TRH med was given. > He compared it to the 3 hour blood sugar test – the first two tests > at hours 1 and 2, can be high but unless you have a high reading at hour > 3, it is likely that hypoglycemia may be missed and cannot be ruled out, > so diabetes is Dx'd falsely. My blood sugar test showed high at 217, > then lowered but still high at 165 the 2nd hour but I had already passed > out before the third hour test, they tested me at 28. Due to great > guidance from my dr I have since repaired my adrenals and have balanced > blood sugar now, no more hypoG or low functioning adrenals. > > Frequent periods ~~ > > What tests did your gyn do for the frequent periods? Besides testing > for thyroid disease my gyn tested and fixed or ruled out fibroids, > cysts, polyps, adrenal and pituitary abnormalities via testing of > cortisol, DHEAS, 17 hydroxyprogesterone, ACTH stimulation test, > prolactin, FSH, LH, estrogens, progesterone, testosterone and ultra > sound of the vagina, cervix or uterus etc. Also, I had a CBC and iron > panel with ferritin to confirm or rule out anemia from the frequent > bleeding. Has polycystic ovary syndrome been ruled out? > > Besides thyroid impairment, I had low iron, several fibroids, low and > high cortisol, low DHEA and low other sex hormones (and other mineral > dificiencies). I have since replenished all these as well. I also had > to deal with and fix my low aldosterone. I still make sure to consume > natural sea salt every day. > > To wellness and persuing good health, > > ~Bj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Hi Tyrone, It is kind of a Catch 22. We must work together on both to get balance back into our bodies. Some of us must also fix our Adrenal Fatigue to recoupe4America ; contact Hope4America-owner Delivered-To: mailing list Hope4America List-Id: <Hope4America.yahoogroups.com> Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:Hope4America-unsubscribe > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:48:56 -0400 Subject: [Hope4America] Emailing: JDs Bunker.htm X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-ff-m Reply-To: Hope4America Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary= " ----=_NextPart_000_070B_01CC9232.2597FEC0 " ------=_NextPart_000_070B_01CC9232.2597FEC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary= " ----=_NextPart_001_070C_01CC9232.25984CE0 " ----, irritability, shakiness etc.). Our cells aren NOT getting the glucose they need, so our adrenals will release cortisol to increase the amount of glucose available to them. This causes a chronic stress response that suppresses thyroid function. When this goes on long enough we can go from Adrenal fatigue to exhaustion via hypoglycemia. First thing to do is stop eating the great American diet and eat to support our health with complex carbs, healthy fats and protein etc. Throw out the white sugar and flour along with the many refined foods and additives etc. We must also learn to eat regularly. I hope this helps, ~Bj > > > > Greetings All, > > What is the relationship between Hypo/HpyerThyroiditis and Hypoglycemic. Woo, this gets interesting. > > Tyrone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 I do NOT know how my previous post got all jumbled up with another Yahoo group's advertising. A group that I have never even heard of until now. Anyway, I'll try this again... Hi Tyrone, This is a catch 22. We must work together on both to get balance back into our bodies and some of us must also fix our Adrenal Fatigue to recoup any health improvement. Both hyperglycemia and hypoglycemia (dysglycemia) weakens and inflames the gut, lungs and brain, imbalances hormone levels, and exhausts the adrenal glands. It, also, disrupts detoxification pathways, and impairs overall metabolism. Each of these effects significantly weakens thyroid function. As long as you have hypoglycemia, whatever you do to fix your thyroid isn't going to work. From being hypoT our cells are not sensitive to glucose. So although we can have normal levels of glucose in our blood, we can have the symptoms of hypoglycemia (fatigue, headache, hunger, irritability, shakiness etc.). Our cells are NOT getting the glucose they need, so our adrenals will release cortisol to increase the amount of glucose available to them. This causes a chronic stress response that suppresses thyroid function. When this goes on long enough we can go from Adrenal fatigue to exhaustion. We must stop eating the great American diet and eat to support our health with complex carbs, healthy fats and protein etc. Throw out the white sugar and flour along with the many refined foods. We must also eat regularly, too. I hope this helps, ~Bj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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