Re: Was: dose of E cream, P cream dose????ovulation: NOW--Persona device

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I am suspecting that you are actually not ovulating on those cycles when you arent starting your period on time....Everything I read says that one will menstruate 2 weeks after you ovulate, without fail. another major score for the accuracy of the Persona. hadnt made a mistake for me in 8 yrs, and counting.......that's alot of cycles!.

my symptoms of non-ovulatory cycles were increased fatigue, started to get worse acne, first experience with melasma, (I have spent thousands on trying to correct it, when in fact it's an endocrine issue!) drop in sex drive, and lately urinary symptoms - like urge incontinence...not fun....but at least we can work with bhrt.....I cant imagine without it.....

Christa

To: rhythmicliving From: b53cjf@...Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:27:26 +0000Subject: Re: Was: dose of E cream, P cream dose????ovulation: NOW--Persona device

Christa,You said you started feeling bad when you didn't ovulate. Can youelaborate on that? I'm also started to have some non-ovulatory cycles.Also, what does it mean when one ovulates but a period doesn't come? I ovulated 2 weeks ago and still nothing. Strange.>> > , Kathy and All> > I have used this Persona effectively for 8 years! I had started withcheap saliva microscope but didnt like that, thought temp was toocumbersome to track as well. the Persona is so so simple - pee on thetest stick 8 days a month and the computer tells you yes or no - redor green light. And this method has been corresponding EXACTLY with mypre-menopause symptoms----started feeling bad when I started skippingovulatory cylcles. Pretty darn interesting, and significant, no? Ithas said that I havent ovulated for 7 months straight now, and I havereally bad menopause symptoms since then---mainly estrogen deficiency,and adrenal insufficienies....I would probably be 6 feet under if Ihadnt gotten help with bhrt 9 months ago....> > You have to give Wiley some credit for explaining the ovarianfunction, cycle and hormones in such detail - it corresponds with myexperience......when you're out of eggs, you're out of estrogen, in anutshell.....> > I just turned 43, never been pregnant(by choice), and took syntheticbirth control for over 10 years - which is why, I am convinced, that Iam in early menopause....I read a book that mentions the bcp causesyour ovaries to mature many many more eggs per cycle than normal...Itis horrible What we women are put thru for the sake of 'our men' > > Christa> > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! Get 'em!

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Christa,

What if your LH surge is after the 8 days of urine testing? How would

you track that? For instance if you skipped an ovulation but then

ovulated late at 6 or 8 weeks how would you know? Sometimes I think I

may have a LH surge that just does not make it and then my body tries

again a few days (or longer) later and I ovulate. Would it be cost

effective to do the urine testing longer than 8 days if there was no

LH surge? Would the computer get confused?

The article is so interesting. I really want a Persona now.

Thanks,

Kathy

>

the Persona is so so simple - pee on the test stick 8 days a month and

the computer tells you yes or no - red or green light. And this method

has been corresponding EXACTLY with my pre-menopause

symptoms----http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_\

hotmailnews

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Hey - great questions!!!!!

I dont know if or how the Persona would handle irregular ovulations....personally, I have always been regular , like clockwork, and then just kind of ran out of eggs!!! = hormonal crash.....

I would try and contact the Persona reps and ask them...you can certainly buy the persona computer, and extra test strips, that may work for you since you are starting out this way. I just dont know if this works with more than 8 test strips....

Christa

To: rhythmicliving From: acaciamesquite@...Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:38:39 +0000Subject: Re: Was: dose of E cream, P cream dose????ovulation: NOW--Persona device

Christa,What if your LH surge is after the 8 days of urine testing? How wouldyou track that? For instance if you skipped an ovulation but thenovulated late at 6 or 8 weeks how would you know? Sometimes I think Imay have a LH surge that just does not make it and then my body triesagain a few days (or longer) later and I ovulate. Would it be costeffective to do the urine testing longer than 8 days if there was noLH surge? Would the computer get confused?The article is so interesting. I really want a Persona now.Thanks,Kathy>the Persona is so so simple - pee on the test stick 8 days a month andthe computer tells you yes or no - red or green light. And this methodhas been corresponding EXACTLY with my pre-menopausesymptoms----http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews> Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today!

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Christa,

I use some of my testosterone lotion on my peri area every day and it

makes a huge difference—as long as I use T there every day I do not

pee on myself. One skipped day makes a difference though. All the

kegel exercises in the world made no difference but a tiny dab of T

really does. I have never had any localized excess symptoms using it

there but I know you have to be careful with the dose because others have.

Kathy

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lately urinary symptoms - like urge incontinence...not fun....but at

least we can work with bhrt.....I cant imagine without it.....

>

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Yes, because, honestly, her books are fascinating....her protocol just doesnt work- our bodies dont assimilate the hormones as literally as her protocol intends. I think it has to do with how our ovaries actually are or arent functioning, and our different metabolisms...

I have about 20 different hormone books i've read so far - this describes a tiny bit the struggle I'm having to get thru this.....

Dr Vliets books are very good, and I gues youve read Ageless by s somers....?

Christa

To: rhythmicliving From: b53cjf@...Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:37:47 +0000Subject: Re: Was: dose of E cream, P cream dose????ovulation: NOW--Persona device

Christa,Do you think Wiley's book is worth getting just for understanding themenstrual cycle better even tho I'm not interested in her protocol?Or is there a better book out there?>> > , Kathy and All> > I have used this Persona effectively for 8 years! I had started withcheap saliva microscope but didnt like that, thought temp was toocumbersome to track as well. the Persona is so so simple - pee on thetest stick 8 days a month and the computer tells you yes or no - redor green light. And this method has been corresponding EXACTLY with mypre-menopause symptoms----started feeling bad when I started skippingovulatory cylcles. Pretty darn interesting, and significant, no? Ithas said that I havent ovulated for 7 months straight now, and I havereally bad menopause symptoms since then---mainly estrogen deficiency,and adrenal insufficienies....I would probably be 6 feet under if Ihadnt gotten help with bhrt 9 months ago....> > You have to give Wiley some credit for explaining the ovarianfunction, cycle and hormones in such detail - it corresponds with myexperience......when you're out of eggs, you're out of estrogen, in anutshell.....> > I just turned 43, never been pregnant(by choice), and took syntheticbirth control for over 10 years - which is why, I am convinced, that Iam in early menopause....I read a book that mentions the bcp causesyour ovaries to mature many many more eggs per cycle than normal...Itis horrible What we women are put thru for the sake of 'our men' > > Christa> > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now!

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Hi,

You can’t use more than 8 days in one month (except the first month). The boxes are done in batches. Even mixing boxes could give you a bad result. My little persona booklet doesn’t address if you ovulate at a different time, but it does say it only works with cycles which are usually between 23 –35 days.

There is a careline number here in the UK if calling from overseas +44 (0) 1234 831 010

Nora

Reply-To: <rhythmicliving >

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:45:55 -0500

To: <rhythmicliving >

Subject: RE: Re: Was: dose of E cream, P cream dose????ovulation: NOW--Persona device

Hey - great questions!!!!!

I dont know if or how the Persona would handle irregular ovulations....personally, I have always been regular , like clockwork, and then just kind of ran out of eggs!!! = hormonal crash.....

I would try and contact the Persona reps and ask them...you can certainly buy the persona computer, and extra test strips, that may work for you since you are starting out this way. I just dont know if this works with more than 8 test strips....

Christa

To: rhythmicliving

From: acaciamesquite@...

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:38:39 +0000

Subject: Re: Was: dose of E cream, P cream dose????ovulation: NOW--Persona device

Christa,

What if your LH surge is after the 8 days of urine testing? How would

you track that? For instance if you skipped an ovulation but then

ovulated late at 6 or 8 weeks how would you know? Sometimes I think I

may have a LH surge that just does not make it and then my body tries

again a few days (or longer) later and I ovulate. Would it be cost

effective to do the urine testing longer than 8 days if there was no

LH surge? Would the computer get confused?

The article is so interesting. I really want a Persona now.

Thanks,

Kathy

>

the Persona is so so simple - pee on the test stick 8 days a month and

the computer tells you yes or no - red or green light. And this method

has been corresponding EXACTLY with my pre-menopause

symptoms----http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews

>

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Christa,

I found Ageless to be a waste of money and time. I felt like Suzanne

was lazy because she did not give details. It was like she forgot to

take good notes, could not remember what was said at the meeting, was

lazy and did not call the person back for clarification, and did not

include the important details in the book. The details would have

made the book interesting. Sorry that I am not giving a specific

example, it would just drive me nuts to have to look at that book

again for an example! The chapter about her face machine really

annoyed me as well. She said that facial exercise cannot work only

her machine works! (I am paraphrasing from memory). I use Flex

Effect and it defiantly works (when I do it).

I just can't wait for her next book when she talks about how Wiley

really messed her up. I do get the idea that she may not follow the

protocol as directed though.

Kathy

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and I gues youve read Ageless by s somers....?

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> Christa

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Oh my gosh Kathy youre cracking me up! I must go and put some T cream on now...hahah!

I didnt know Somers was doing a new book. I look forward to reading it....that's really sad about how dangerous the WP is to the 'victims'!!!

Christa

To: rhythmicliving From: acaciamesquite@...Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:06:55 +0000Subject: Re: Was: dose of E cream, P cream dose????ovulation: NOW--Persona device

Christa,I found Ageless to be a waste of money and time. I felt like Suzannewas lazy because she did not give details. It was like she forgot totake good notes, could not remember what was said at the meeting, waslazy and did not call the person back for clarification, and did notinclude the important details in the book. The details would havemade the book interesting. Sorry that I am not giving a specificexample, it would just drive me nuts to have to look at that bookagain for an example! The chapter about her face machine reallyannoyed me as well. She said that facial exercise cannot work onlyher machine works! (I am paraphrasing from memory). I use FlexEffect and it defiantly works (when I do it). I just can't wait for her next book when she talks about how Wileyreally messed her up. I do get the idea that she may not follow theprotocol as directed though. Kathy>and I gues youve read Ageless by s somers....?> > Christa> > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! Get 'em!

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> I didnt know Somers was doing a new book. I look forward to reading

it....that's really sad about how dangerous the WP is to the 'victims'!!!

>

Sorry, I did not mean to say that as fact...

I am just assuming that she is doing another book. We will have to

listen to her on Home Shopping sometime to see if she talks about

another book.

Kathy

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> Oh my gosh Kathy youre cracking me up! I must go and put some T

cream on now...hahah!

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Christa,

You do not know about topical uses for T cream? Did you read Reiss?

The paragraph in the book about using a small amount of topical

testosterone on the C area one half hour before sex really works!

Kathy

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yes, I've read that in many sources, but I have been seeing how my E doses effect my urinary symptoms first.... before I addes another item...

thanks.

Christa

To: rhythmicliving From: acaciamesquite@...Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:22:21 +0000Subject: Re: Was: dose of E cream, P cream dose????ovulation: NOW--Persona device

>> > Oh my gosh Kathy youre cracking me up! I must go and put some Tcream on now...hahah!> Christa,You do not know about topical uses for T cream? Did you read Reiss? The paragraph in the book about using a small amount of topicaltestosterone on the C area one half hour before sex really works! Kathy Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now!

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LOL! yes, the old urge incontinence! It was so bad for me a couple of

months ago that I was actually wetting my pants! As soon as I got the

urge to go, if I couldn't sit on a toilet within less than a minute, I

was in big trouble. And sometimes, I would get to the stall and

couldn't even seem to hold it long enough to undo my pants and pull

them down. I was so sick of it I posted on another forum and they

also said it was low estrogen.

I can really tell when I do ovulate because I get the mucous. No

mucous when I don't. Is it possible I could get the mucous and not

be ovulating?

And what happens when a period is skipped, which hormone predominates

then? If there's no follicle produced which produces P, then wouldn't

P be deficient?

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> I am suspecting that you are actually not ovulating on those cycles

when you arent starting your period on time....Everything I read says

that one will menstruate 2 weeks after you ovulate, without fail.

another major score for the accuracy of the Persona. hadnt made a

mistake for me in 8 yrs, and counting.......that's alot of cycles!.

>

> my symptoms of non-ovulatory cycles were increased fatigue, started

to get worse acne, first experience with melasma, (I have spent

thousands on trying to correct it, when in fact it's an endocrine

issue!) drop in sex drive, and lately urinary symptoms - like urge

incontinence...not fun....but at least we can work with bhrt.....I

cant imagine without it.....

>

> Christa

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those are all excellent questions....and I dont know the answers...that's a tough call on the mucus thing, because that happened to me recently (I was so excited because I thought my overies may have some life left in them,) but I started menstruating 1 week later...so maybe it was a very feeble, yet valiant attempt to ovulate?

and about skipping periods (which I have no experience with ..yet...perhaps never, with the bhrt...) I suspect that you are low in all ovarian hormones....your body, especially the adrenals can make progesterone....so I would not immediately conclude you need much progesterone, if any, even if you arent ovulating.I would get some testing done, just as a referance point.....

hope this helps.

Christa

To: rhythmicliving From: b53cjf@...Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:38:14 +0000Subject: Re: Was: dose of E cream, P cream dose????ovulation: NOW--Persona device

LOL! yes, the old urge incontinence! It was so bad for me a couple ofmonths ago that I was actually wetting my pants! As soon as I got theurge to go, if I couldn't sit on a toilet within less than a minute, Iwas in big trouble. And sometimes, I would get to the stall andcouldn't even seem to hold it long enough to undo my pants and pullthem down. I was so sick of it I posted on another forum and theyalso said it was low estrogen.I can really tell when I do ovulate because I get the mucous. Nomucous when I don't. Is it possible I could get the mucous and notbe ovulating?And what happens when a period is skipped, which hormone predominatesthen? If there's no follicle produced which produces P, then wouldn'tP be deficient?>> > > I am suspecting that you are actually not ovulating on those cycleswhen you arent starting your period on time....Everything I read saysthat one will menstruate 2 weeks after you ovulate, without fail.another major score for the accuracy of the Persona. hadnt made amistake for me in 8 yrs, and counting.......that's alot of cycles!.> > my symptoms of non-ovulatory cycles were increased fatigue, startedto get worse acne, first experience with melasma, (I have spentthousands on trying to correct it, when in fact it's an endocrineissue!) drop in sex drive, and lately urinary symptoms - like urgeincontinence...not fun....but at least we can work with bhrt.....Icant imagine without it.....> > Christa> > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now!