RE: Re: Emotions and Thoughts (was: coconut oil)

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Dr. K. lists some herb that stimulate Th1 and 2. I am Th2 dom. and grape seeds stimulate it, also green tea. Coffee, chocolate, stiml. T2:), so everyone with Th1 dom. can take it / although coffee is not recommended. Echinacea stiml. Th1. I believe that the immune system goes back and forth between Th1 and 2 dom. If one is Th2 dom and can't tolerate Xviromin, maybe just taking echinacea will do the trick. I found a doc. who is testing me on the supplements with a bio-resonance machine. She basically took me off a lot of supps after I switched from one doc. to her. I feel much better already and less drugged. The previouse doc. basically toldme all the time to take more and if I couldn't tolerate one kind of supps he told me to take more of another.I had trouble with my BS all the time, couldn't get it under 100. He told me to take more and more supps, which mademe feel even worth (or is it worse / I never know). Anyway, I am off those BS supps and my BS is under 100 constantly. I have some brain inflammation and once I was off those supps I started to feel worse, so I take them again , including turmeric.Dr. K's supps are very potent, I have to be careful what I take and how much, since I am very sensitive to all kindsof supps. / had that problem my whole life. To: Thyroiditis From: austinzenshiatsu@...Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 03:53:15 +0000Subject: Re: Emotions and Thoughts (was: coconut oil)

Hi Carol,

Here's a link that I particularly liked:

http://www.amenclinics.com/cybcyb/brain-health-club/

I've taken a couple of classes from Apex Energetics -- one from DR Kharrazian -- Functional Blood Chemistry) and the other a Functional Endocrinology class based on Dr. Kharrazian's work but taught by another person. Have you tried contact Apex Energetics directly? I think you probably need to be some sort of practitioner to get the supplements -- maybe they can suggest someone in your area who works with them.

I understand what you mean about longterm vs. short term with the disease process. I usually don't use the word cure, even when speaking about myself (although I hold a space for hope), and personally, I believe in miracles. I have a good friend who was diagnosed with Lupus. Through Chinese Herbal Medicine used consistently over a number of years she has no signs of it on any blood tests that she has now. Chinese Medicine is pretty amazing medicine.

I meant to add that even taking the Dr. K classes, I find it confusing. He talks about TH1 and TH2 and certain herbs/foods that can set people with Hashimoto's off into a downward spiral. I really don't understand all the science behind it but what I took from this particular section is that there are some herbs that will cause a problem with one type of patient and some herbs that will cause problems with another type of patient. I have a feeling that knowing which set of herbs is the one that sets you off helps to determine which kind of treatment. Does anyone know what I'm referring to? It seems like some of people on this list have a really good grasp of all the science. There was a chinese herb, astragalus, on one of the lists of herbs.

That's it for now.

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> do you have the link for DR AMens link that you liked?

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> fwiw; Unless you know that your autoimmune process just got started/activated in the last year.. i don't think you can cure yourself" per se.

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> note that some folks here on this list and elsewhere are very jazzed about the new hypothyroid treatments focused on the Immune system and the autoimmune process

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> =-somethign which "regular" modern medicine has comletely ignored and marginalized when it comes to *Hashimoto's Thyroiditis/ aka Autoimmune hypothyroid disease..

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> unbelievable that most endos and doctors still insist that their hypoT treatment do not need to adderss the Immune system ; just the Free T4 and TSH levels ;'

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> DR Kharrazian has an interesting book on the Immune aspect and i find it a bit confusing; not sure where to get a lot of his tests and supplemenst from.

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> but it is high time that doctors start looking at the immune aspect (and the Limbic aspect) when it comes to Hashis and "Adrenal Fatigue"

> there are some people who say they caught the Hashis desctrucion of their thyroid lgnad in time and they not only stopped the autoimmune activity but also normalized all their Thyroid hormone tests!

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> but you should know that if you were sick with autoimmuen desctruction to your gland for years,, then that gland /cells can't be restored and many folks like me, will have to take Thyroid hormones for the rest of their life

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Carol,I am off thyroid hormones, was lucky that with TPO's of 15000 (no typo) my thyroid is still working just fine. The Th1 / 2 dom. can get tested via a blood test / CD4/8 ratio will tell you what you are. Some insur. will pay for it.Why do you think you are Th2 dom? If you order supps on your own, without really knowing what you should get and if they include Th stimulants, youshould be careful. The supps are very potent. You could give me some info, if you like and I try to figure out if you are Th1 or 2 dom. After being on the protocol for 7 months and talking to a lot of hashis I learned a lot. I am on facebook WilbertTo: Thyroiditis From: ms_sisyphus_00@...Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:05:17 +0000Subject: Re: Emotions and Thoughts (was: coconut oil)

do you have the link for DR AMens link that you liked?

fwiw; Unless you know that your autoimmune process just got started/activated in the last year.. i don't think you can cure yourself" per se.

note that some folks here on this list and elsewhere are very jazzed about the new hypothyroid treatments focused on the Immune system and the autoimmune process

=-somethign which "regular" modern medicine has comletely ignored and marginalized when it comes to *Hashimoto's Thyroiditis/ aka Autoimmune hypothyroid disease..

unbelievable that most endos and doctors still insist that their hypoT treatment do not need to adderss the Immune system ; just the Free T4 and TSH levels ;'

DR Kharrazian has an interesting book on the Immune aspect and i find it a bit confusing; not sure where to get a lot of his tests and supplemenst from.

but it is high time that doctors start looking at the immune aspect (and the Limbic aspect) when it comes to Hashis and "Adrenal Fatigue"

there are some people who say they caught the Hashis desctrucion of their thyroid lgnad in time and they not only stopped the autoimmune activity but also normalized all their Thyroid hormone tests!

but you should know that if you were sick with autoimmuen desctruction to your gland for years,, then that gland /cells can't be restored and many folks like me, will have to take Thyroid hormones for the rest of their life

-Carol

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> Thanks for pointing me in the direction of Dr. Amen's website. Very fascinating information. I have a book called "The Brain That Changes Itself" and at first I thought this was Dr. Amen's book when you mentioned his site but it is from a different author -- Norman Doidge. I want to get a copy of Dr. Amen's book.

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> I love his lists, especially the one for healthy brain (do's and don'ts). There are alot of good ideas there -- things that I mostly try to focus on, some things I didn't know. I do think some of them may be difficult for people -- I like the idea of the anteater eating negative thoughts. Has anyone else looked at this list?

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> I'm curious if anyone has been able to use this successfully to help treat their hashimoto's. . One thing I've noticed for myself is that alot of the things on this list are good ideas, they are not always easy. If anyone on this list is interested in making positive changes in beliefs/thoughts etc -- are you able to find the support you need to make the necessary positive changes in your life?

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> My doctor only focuses on medication and generally I've found from her or any other doctors that when I am able to affect positive changes in my health without the use of medicine, they are not interested in hearing how it has happened.

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> I have a very interesting book on Diseases and Disorders by Vianna Stibal, giving a general list (not everything will pertain to every person) of diseases and the beliefs/thoughts that people with those disorders have. It is to be used as a guideline, not a definitive list. I find it fascinating and alot of the thyroid information has been right on for me. This is not "scientific" information but based on one healer's notes on all of her clients over the past 15 years. Its a rather large book -- she's worked with alot of patients.

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Hi Carol,so did I get this right, you base the assumption of being TH2 dom. on your candida only?Did you get your TPO's tested lately? Dr. K. thinks it is only necessary to test them once in order to find out if one has Hashi or not. But mine where 600 in July 09, 15000 in March10, 900 in July and now they are 5000. I try to figure out what brought them up again. I will try to get them tested as long as necessary. My ratio of Th2/1 was 5:0 and now it is 5:3, so it has gotten worse. I am sea sawing (is that a word?) between th2 dom and less dom. so to speak, into the direction of Th1 dom. I know Dr. K. thinks that if one is Th1 (or 2) dom. than he/she is it for life. I don't think so. I feel strange, my thyroid swells once in a while, my muscles hurt, have dizzyness, vertigo, BS issues. I am better than I was back in March, much better. My Blood levels, the 52 markers Dr. K. docs. measure, are almost all in the functional range, including the thyroid panel. I am not hyper anymore, not at all. I figured out what I can eat and not, besides gluten of course and sugar. I never really ate junk food, a hamburger maybe once in two months, no white sugar, lots of home made meals. Do you know that TH2 dom. hashis usually have a higher TPO count and they suffer more than Th1 dom. Yep, that is true. Well, my sister has graves, my brother crohn's and I have the worst or all of these AI diseases- Hashi.I am still suffering from muscle pain, brain inflammation is probably the cause. I am on supps again for that and slowly it kicks in. I wish I could feel better. I went shopping this morning and at 2 pm I was back on the sofa. Sometimes I have good days and do to much then, but lately I just can't do much. I baked German cheesecake the other day / with curd, is not made with cheese / the first time in a looong time. I don't have a physician anymore, since several discharged me bc. I am in the care of a dr. K. doctor. Even the GYN discharged me, bc. I didn't want to take estrogen and progesterone and I told her I will bring my saliva test next time I will see her. She actually clamed that she can't read saliva tests and she goes by blood test alone, which showed that I am verrrry deficient in estrogen. Well, the saliva test showed that I am estrog. dom. So, she was the last GYN on the insurance list in my town, I am not going to the other one anymore either, since she thinks she can treat Hashi and gave me armour / the new formulated and then compounding. Dr. K. has an article on thyroid hormone and I am one of the hashi people who can not tolerate armour. I never needed thyroid hormones, but this is the only way regl. docs. think they can "treat" hashi, what a humbuck. Pushing the TSH close to 0.0 will tell the immune system not to produce antibodies / LOLOLOL.I got so upset about the stupidity, not anymore, will go to alternative docs. only and get my blood test from them, then I interpret it myself. The good thing of being treated by a dr. k. doc. is, that I learned a loooot about functional blood levels and no doc. can tell me that the lab ranges are just fine. I am done with conventional docs. I will go, if I need some kind of surgery, but that is all they can do. They don't have a clue what is going on, including the Endos.

To: Thyroiditis From: ms_sisyphus_00@...Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 23:15:37 +0000Subject: Re: Emotions and Thoughts (was: coconut oil)

hi LInda

thanks for posting; i always enjoy your posts and hearing the info your DR K group is up on.

i Think i am currently TH2 dominant cuz of what i have been reading in Conventional medical texts of all places

many sources related to candida in Conventional medical research btw!

but basically boils down to yeast /candida issues and the systems we discuss here ; i have rarely tested positive but have had lifelong symptoms (diagnosed hashis at 13 btw) and that is not uncommon; doctors don't test for it INsde the epithelial layer

a number of different 'specialites' of research and study noting about Randomly related things including Caffeine affect on SHBG

re: how the mucusa works and including sex horones and thyroid etc hormones..

"

Th 1 type reactivity, with the production of

IL2, IFNã, and IL12 (stimulating macrophages

and polymorphonuclear lymphocytes)

and mucosal IgA, is the dominant vaginal

response and it maintains asymptomatic candidal

colonisation.

Th 2 reactivity, with the production

of IL4–6, IL10, IgG, histamine, and

prostaglandin E2 dominates when endogenous

and exogenous factors increase the number of

C albicans organisms. This response switches

off the protective Th 1 response and promotes

immediate hypersensitivity reactions. There is

a switch from the blastospore to the hyphal

phase and epithelial invasion occurs.

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Department ofGenitourinary and HIV Medicine,

Guy's and St 's Hospitals, London

J S Bingham

Accepted for publication

24 May 1999

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my doc. told me that the immune system will not attack the thyroid, or produce any antibodies if the TSH is close to 0.0This is just plain wrong, they just don't know how to treat hashi's, since steroid don't work. Yes, dr. k's assessm. forms are available on the internet.

To: Thyroiditis From: ms_sisyphus_00@...Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 18:24:43 +0000Subject: Re: Emotions and Thoughts (was: coconut oil)

hi LInda

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i 're-tested my antibodies 'again' when i found the internet and started on Armour a few years ago = 100 where 'normal' = <30

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yeah the symptoms of candida i am having -epitheilial wise and the fact it is not showing up on most tests makes me believe that shifted to TH2 (see the link to medical text i posted below =this is a real biologic process that *Conventioanl medicine has a lot of documentation and research on =and ongoing which is good :0

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yikes most of us can't get a Gyn to prescribe estrogne/progesterone without a huge cancer speech and your Gyne fired you for not wanting to take Estrogen/Progestoner??

their all idiots for sure . (i wish they would stop talking about any trials/results for Premarin and Provera =that stuff is crap and its old news. it has nothing to do with BIoidentical hromones

= which i have nothing against but do feel that we would all be better off if they were doing good 'testing' and tracking

enough 'opinions i want FACTS. and 99% of practicing doctors only parrot what a salesmen told them...

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why did you write:

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Pushing the TSH close to 0.0 will tell the immune system not to produce antibodies / LOLOLOL " ??

i don't get what you mean??

thanks

-Carol

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