severe dental anxiety

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my 6.5 year old son has SEvere anxiety going to the dentist. tomorrow he has his

first real cleaning and will be sedated with oral meds. i am so worried about it

cause is has severe oral defensiveness and hates his mouth touched. i am afraid

we wont be able to get the meds in himm. it will be an oral liquid in juice.

does anyone have and tips or suggestions that i can do to help him? anyone with

similar stories with good outcomes? thanks.

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I would suggest you get some " Calms Forte " by Hylands its a homeopathic rememdy

no side effects and very calming follow directions on the bottle, you can get it

at most large

health food stores. Sometimes you need to give 2-3 times the amount listed on

bottle, it will not have any lasting effects or side effects. Give 1 hour

before.

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> my 6.5 year old son has SEvere anxiety going to the dentist. tomorrow he has

his first real cleaning and will be sedated with oral meds. i am so worried

about it cause is has severe oral defensiveness and hates his mouth touched. i

am afraid we wont be able to get the meds in himm. it will be an oral liquid in

juice. does anyone have and tips or suggestions that i can do to help him?

anyone with similar stories with good outcomes? thanks.

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i cant give anything to him before the appt as they are doing oral sedation meds. i have of that and may try it next time. altho the taste is bad and he has hard time taking it. what do u mix wih it?Sent from my iPhone

I would suggest you get some "Calms Forte" by Hylands its a homeopathic rememdy

no side effects and very calming follow directions on the bottle, you can get it at most large

health food stores. Sometimes you need to give 2-3 times the amount listed on bottle, it will not have any lasting effects or side effects. Give 1 hour before.

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> my 6.5 year old son has SEvere anxiety going to the dentist. tomorrow he has his first real cleaning and will be sedated with oral meds. i am so worried about it cause is has severe oral defensiveness and hates his mouth touched. i am afraid we wont be able to get the meds in himm. it will be an oral liquid in juice. does anyone have and tips or suggestions that i can do to help him? anyone with similar stories with good outcomes? thanks.

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Try not to take him suddenly to place he doesn't likes.

Explain this to him

1. the dental treatment is necessary else it will end up in more pain if its not taken in time . so there is no choice of not doing it but can be done in different way so he feels easier.

2. take consent from him by means of his favorite reward and explaining him that he is smart he need to try standing up

3. Let him know with out his consent no one will do any thing if he commits to try and cooperate

4. Take a week at least before taking him to dentist and explain how the

things will go and tell that practically at home. He will resist then remind him this

a. If he will not cooperate then he will have to go to dentist as its important

b. Tell him If we agree to avoid the dentist completely he will end up in more pain and more difficult dentist activity

c. Or he can practice at home and no one will force him and go to dentist in few days

Give him open choice ask what he wants to do a,b or c. Mostly he will choose option c if he doesn't make him choose by convincingd. Take commitment he will try to understand what exactly dentist will do at home and will cooperate in learning

e. Take commitment when he will go to dentist

f. keep following him persistently to learn as well as dentist time . After few refusals he may go to the dentist and could cooperate better.

e. When he goes to dentist tell the dentist about it and better be present when he is there treated and counsel and motivate him

Regarding training at home

1. Tell specific steps that will be taken while treatment

2. Which steps of treatment can make him feel strange and how to handle it

3. Which steps of treatment are easy and he might be confused that they are tough

4. What to do when there is little pain if any

Ask him to mentally prepare himself and motivate him no forcing to him its done to make him more smarter and save him from more pain that could

come if not treated properlyif anyone tries it then please let me know the effects so it will help more.

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Have you read him any social stories about going to the dentist?

Maggie

To: "KatyAutismSupport " <KatyAutismSupport >; "Texas-Autism-Advocacy " <Texas-Autism-Advocacy >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:18 PMSubject: severe dental anxiety

my 6.5 year old son has SEvere anxiety going to the dentist. tomorrow he has his first real cleaning and will be sedated with oral meds. i am so worried about it cause is has severe oral defensiveness and hates his mouth touched. i am afraid we wont be able to get the meds in himm. it will be an oral liquid in juice. does anyone have and tips or suggestions that i can do to help him? anyone with similar stories with good outcomes? thanks. Sent from my iPhone

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Try putting the meds in a syringe and shooting it between his cheeck and gum towards the back of his mouth. You will need help holding him down is a semi prone position. Really you should do this on a daily basis even if it's only water. Being able to give meds is a very important skill just like toothbrushing and cleaning.

It's best to start with baby steps. We started my son seeing the dentist at four. At first he just sat in the chair, then he got to touch the instruments and smile for the dentist. The next time he let the dentist look at his teeth etc...At home we also started early with the same kind of procedure.

Do you have a good pediatric dentist? We use Dr. Sherwood in Austin. After this procedure is done, see if you can go to the dentist more often even if it's only to look at his teeth. At home work a little at a time with the toothbrush several times a day in short spurts and give a small reward each time.

Oral defensiveness can spill over into eating as well. It is very important to work on this sensory issue for the health of your child. It takes a tremendous amount of patience. YOU CANNOT GIVE IN. Do not wait until your child is a teenager or it will take a sumo wrestler to get him to comply. Or large amounts of drugs. Neither of which is a nice way to live.

My son also has severe oral sensitivity. He did not eat real food for 12 years. Going to the dentist when he was small was a nightmare he would kick and scream and bite. Before we found Dr. Sherwood the dentist tried to have the nurse hold him down. Bad idea...Dr. Sherwoods patience paid off although we did have to use sedation at first for fillings. I also did a force feeding program 3 years ago using tiny bites of food I can tell you about if you need.

My son is now 16. He sees the dentist every 6 months and can brush his own teeth with an electric toothbrush. He also just learned how to swish and spit the mouthwash. He is perfect at the dentist and even allows xrays. He eats now too if I count the bites but we are still working on proper chewing as he hates to chew new foods.

Our kids are not easy, you want to make them happy and they can really test your will. Dedicate a period of two weeks to just toothbrushing. I have found it takes about two weeks exactly with tiny steps and consistant demands to make a change. I also will use force if I have to. Things like this are a no out deal. Eating for us took two large men my husband and my older strong son to hold him in a chair. Breakfast took three hours to complete and that was just breakfast. In two weeks he was given the option of eating the bites or having Zach " help " he chose to do it himself, it was going to happen one way or the other.

I hope this is helpful for you. Be strong you can do it.

Trina

 

my 6.5 year old son has SEvere anxiety going to the dentist. tomorrow he has his first real cleaning and will be sedated with oral meds. i am so worried about it cause is has severe oral defensiveness and hates his mouth touched. i am afraid we wont be able to get the meds in himm. it will be an oral liquid in juice. does anyone have and tips or suggestions that i can do to help him? anyone with similar stories with good outcomes? thanks.

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I would love to hear informaiton regarding food. My son has an extremely limited diet and I'd like to move him to a gluten free diet. New foods do not get into his mouth willingly. However, he is considered failure to thrive because he is so tiny...so waiting on him to decide to eat is not really an option.

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:21 AMSubject: Re: severe dental anxiety

Try putting the meds in a syringe and shooting it between his cheeck and gum towards the back of his mouth. You will need help holding him down is a semi prone position. Really you should do this on a daily basis even if it's only water. Being able to give meds is a very important skill just like toothbrushing and cleaning.

It's best to start with baby steps. We started my son seeing the dentist at four. At first he just sat in the chair, then he got to touch the instruments and smile for the dentist. The next time he let the dentist look at his teeth etc...At home we also started early with the same kind of procedure.

Do you have a good pediatric dentist? We use Dr. Sherwood in Austin. After this procedure is done, see if you can go to the dentist more often even if it's only to look at his teeth. At home work a little at a time with the toothbrush several times a day in short spurts and give a small reward each time.

Oral defensiveness can spill over into eating as well. It is very important to work on this sensory issue for the health of your child. It takes a tremendous amount of patience. YOU CANNOT GIVE IN. Do not wait until your child is a teenager or it will take a sumo wrestler to get him to comply. Or large amounts of drugs. Neither of which is a nice way to live.

My son also has severe oral sensitivity. He did not eat real food for 12 years. Going to the dentist when he was small was a nightmare he would kick and scream and bite. Before we found Dr. Sherwood the dentist tried to have the nurse hold him down. Bad idea...Dr. Sherwoods patience paid off although we did have to use sedation at first for fillings. I also did a force feeding program 3 years ago using tiny bites of food I can tell you about if you need.

My son is now 16. He sees the dentist every 6 months and can brush his own teeth with an electric toothbrush. He also just learned how to swish and spit the mouthwash. He is perfect at the dentist and even allows xrays. He eats now too if I count the bites but we are still working on proper chewing as he hates to chew new foods.

Our kids are not easy, you want to make them happy and they can really test your will. Dedicate a period of two weeks to just toothbrushing. I have found it takes about two weeks exactly with tiny steps and consistant demands to make a change. I also will use force if I have to. Things like this are a no out deal. Eating for us took two large men my husband and my older strong son to hold him in a chair. Breakfast took three hours to complete and that was just breakfast. In two weeks he was given the option of eating the bites or having Zach "help" he chose to do it himself, it was going to happen one way or the other.

I hope this is helpful for you. Be strong you can do it.

Trina

my 6.5 year old son has SEvere anxiety going to the dentist. tomorrow he has his first real cleaning and will be sedated with oral meds. i am so worried about it cause is has severe oral defensiveness and hates his mouth touched. i am afraid we wont be able to get the meds in himm. it will be an oral liquid in juice. does anyone have and tips or suggestions that i can do to help him? anyone with similar stories with good outcomes? thanks. Sent from my iPhone

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My son was the same way when he was young.  He had to have so much dental work (due to the abnormal mineral transport caused by mercury poisoning)  His baby teeth demineralized.  His body was sucking calcium out of his teeth -- at least this is the best way I know how to explain what happened.

He had to go to the operating room and be put under anesthesia.  I hated having to give him any drugs of that type (though I will say they gave him versed first and what ensued was rather funny.... I mean it was hard not to laugh.  He kept shouting, " My butt's all better!  My butt's all better! "   I think because he had spent his childhood to that point fighting debilitating constipation).

Anyway, then they took  him to the OR and put him under anesthesia and got everything done.  If we had not found out about the Grotto's Foundation I don't know how we would have paid for everything insurance didn't cover.  They will pick up anything insurance doesn't cover until the child's eighteen for a special needs child.  Grotto's does not cover orthodontia and some other stuff but it does cover necessary things for dental.

Him coming out of the anesthesia was the worst.  He cried and cried and threw up and gagged.  That was hard to get through, but if your child has extreme anxiety and they need a lot of dental work, then what can you do?  We went to several dentists first and then found the Dental Clinic at Children's Medical Center.  They treat special needs kids, and they have alwasy been very good with our son.  His anxiety had to do with even lying on his back.  Now he sits in the chair and lets them do what they need to do.  We do not allow fluoride treatments.  I make a paste of 12.5 mg iodine (Iodoral) tablet and brush it on his teeth.  This is one of the best deterrents to tooth decay (besides disdaining sweets and brushing and flossing).

I wouldnot recommend laughing gas.  You can go to this web site:http://www.child-autism-parent-cafe.com/autism-and-dental-anesthesia.html

I am not saying I agree with everything said at this site, for example the anesthesiologist says no drug is known to worsen autism, and I strongly disagree with that.  I think there is just too much doctors and dentists don't understand abut autism, but this page can give you an idea of what they give to a child such as yours.

I would suggest that you see if if your city has a Children's hospital.  They will usually have different clinics, including a dental clinic.  These clinics usually specialize in dental for special needs kids.  Also go to:

http://www.hfgrotto.org/They have added the hf to their name as I think they were getting confused with another foundation by the name of Grotto.  Anyway, for us, this foundation was a life saver.

Hope this information helps you.  We have been there.  My son once had to have a benign tumor removed from his shoulder and the surgeon wanted him to lie on his back, and I kept explaining to him that my son was terrified of lying on his back, and the surgeon just wouldn't listen.  We finally wound up doing it the way I said to do it, with my son in my lap on top of the table with me hugging him.  I got to watch the whole surgery.  Interesting.  There just aren't enough doctors or dentists out there yet who " get it. "   Let's face it, they spend less than fifteen minutes tudying autism in medical school.  It goes like this:

They are " taught " it is a NEUROLOGICAL disorder and  a PSYCHIATRIC disorder.  They tell them " we " don't know what causes it AND that it CANNOT be cured or even healed.  There is NO discussion of vaccines role in autism other than to say that people who believe this are crazy.  Dentists are taught that amalgam fillings play no role in mercury poisoning.

There is NO discussion of the biological implications of this disorder, and it is the biological and biochemical dysfunctions that produce the BEHAVIORS of autism.  That is all autism really points to: BEHAVIORS.  The truth is that this is an iatrogenic biological disorder.

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Great info!  This one is going in my file!  Thanks.

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Your child has probably already gone to the dentist by now but for future

reference, I would ask the dentist if they would be opposed to prescribing (1)

Valium (or equivalent) for your child to take prior to the appointment. I do

this for my son and it helps tremendously. It's the same thing docs do if a

child is going in for a dental procedure-- but since our kids have such fear of

the dentist, some docs understand and will prescribe (1) pill to help.

You can try using natural remdies for anxiety, and some may help a little, but

it has been my experience that natural rememdies do not touch the anxiety that

kids on the spectrum have of going to the dentist. Most need something a lot

stronger.

I know a mom who herself takes meds for anxiety and gives her ASD son a small

dose of Klonopin to help his anxiety before a dentist appt. I don't advocate

this as something everyone should do, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do to help

your child out. Our kids can't speak for themselves in most situations so we as

parents have to advocate for them and get them what they need.

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has his first real cleaning and will be sedated with oral meds. i am so worried

about it cause is has severe oral defensiveness and hates his mouth touched. i

am afraid we wont be able to get the meds in himm. it will be an oral liquid in

juice. does anyone have and tips or suggestions that i can do to help him?

anyone with similar stories with good outcomes? thanks.

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Sorry to reply so late. The first time my grandson went to have his teeth cleaned, they had to stop. The next time I wrote a social story for him. I googled pictures of every step I could think of including it is all right to wear sun glasses to keep out the bright light. We read it with him over and over. My daughter even held it up as the dentist was doing the check up. It worked! Everyone cheered. That was at least two years ago. He is 8 and he is okay going to the dentist.

Prayers in the meantime,

Patsy

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that is what they tried to give him yesterday at the dentist office. they will not treat kids who take meds like this at hime before the appt even if a prescription from the pedi. Sent from my iPhone

Your child has probably already gone to the dentist by now but for future reference, I would ask the dentist if they would be opposed to prescribing (1) Valium (or equivalent) for your child to take prior to the appointment. I do this for my son and it helps tremendously. It's the same thing docs do if a child is going in for a dental procedure-- but since our kids have such fear of the dentist, some docs understand and will prescribe (1) pill to help.

You can try using natural remdies for anxiety, and some may help a little, but it has been my experience that natural rememdies do not touch the anxiety that kids on the spectrum have of going to the dentist. Most need something a lot stronger.

I know a mom who herself takes meds for anxiety and gives her ASD son a small dose of Klonopin to help his anxiety before a dentist appt. I don't advocate this as something everyone should do, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do to help your child out. Our kids can't speak for themselves in most situations so we as parents have to advocate for them and get them what they need.

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Be really careful with perscriptions for anxiety for procedures. Both of my

children have developed Tardive Dyskinesia from oral meds for this purpose.

Pat

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> my 6.5 year old son has SEvere anxiety going to the dentist. tomorrow he has

his first real cleaning and will be sedated with oral meds. i am so worried

about it cause is has severe oral defensiveness and hates his mouth touched. i

am afraid we wont be able to get the meds in himm. it will be an oral liquid in

juice. does anyone have and tips or suggestions that i can do to help him?

anyone with similar stories with good outcomes? thanks.

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Wow Pat, I'm sorry to hear that about your children. How can you tell that those meds had that effect on them?Marisa MurilloConnected by MOTOBLUR™ on T-Mobile Re: severe dental anxiety Be really careful with perscriptions for anxiety for procedures. Both of my children have developed Tardive Dyskinesia from oral meds for this purpose. Pat>> my 6.5 year old son has SEvere anxiety going to the dentist. tomorrow he has his first real cleaning and will be sedated with oral meds. i am so worried about it cause is has severe oral defensiveness and hates his mouth touched. i am afraid we wont be able to get the meds in himm. it will be an oral liquid in juice. does anyone have and tips or suggestions that i can do to help him? anyone with similar stories with good outcomes? thanks. > > Sent from my iPhone>

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when anxiety of autistic children can be cured by counseling and proper training with 100% surety and result then why to even think of such a risky and totally trial and error medicine. Autism requires long term address not short term. Meds are totally risky and not worthy for. Meds seems like magic give it and it works but magic seldom works in real.

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Pat,

I'm sorry this happened to your children. What medicines were they?

Marilyn

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Be really careful with perscriptions for anxiety for procedures. Both of my

children have developed Tardive Dyskinesia from oral meds for this purpose.

Pat

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show me the scientific peer reviewed research that anxiety in autistic kids can be 100% cured with counseling. im sore lots of othere parwnts would drop everything if it was that easy and reliable. thats a pretty hard promise you are trying to sell us with out any data to back it up. Sent from my iPhone

when anxiety of autistic children can be cured by counseling and proper training with 100% surety and result then why to even think of such a risky and totally trial and error medicine. Autism requires long term address not short term. Meds are totally risky and not worthy for. Meds seems like magic give it and it works but magic seldom works in real.

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It has always worked when i tried it on someone by myself. But I will be doing it with group of autistic people with proper noting down of details and result and will post it to be exactly what happens. but it will take time and will sure post the results.If you want to see the difference that can anxiety be effected by counselingdo this things and see does anxiety gets effected or not1) when ever you see him anxious try to find out the reason by talking in extreme calm voice2) keep your tone always that of friend3) let him express all the feelings and listen how ever unimportant talks it may be4) make him feel secure again and again5) most of the time he is anxious because he is worried about some fixation related thing counsel it with reason that what imagination of his are not true6) many time he is anxious on some thing

he doesn't want to do and knows has to do7) continuously make him feel important by making him do small works and counseling8) Find what type of temptation he suffers and counsel it with reason 9) Do it persistentlyfor details try this linkhttp://www.counteringautism.com/final/site/Anxiety.phpthis reduces the anxiety to a level. complete anxiety goes only when other things related to persons confidence, self esteem and working capabilities etc. are taken care of. If any one tries this and finds it working then mail me back for other things and it works.

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While that might work for a verbal child, the nonverbal child is not going to tell you what they are anxious about. Hilda From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Countering AutismSent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:21 PMTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Subject: Re: Re: severe dental anxiety It has always worked when i tried it on someone by myself. But I will be doing it with group of autistic people with proper noting down of details and result and will post it to be exactly what happens. but it will take time and will sure post the results.If you want to see the difference that can anxiety be effected by counselingdo this things and see does anxiety gets effected or not1) when ever you see him anxious try to find out the reason by talking in extreme calm voice2) keep your tone always that of friend3) let him express all the feelings and listen how ever unimportant talks it may be4) make him feel secure again and again5) most of the time he is anxious because he is worried about some fixation related thing counsel it with reason that what imagination of his are not true6) many time he is anxious on some thing he doesn't want to do and knows has to do7) continuously make him feel important by making him do small works and counseling8) Find what type of temptation he suffers and counsel it with reason 9) Do it persistentlyfor details try this linkhttp://www.counteringautism.com/final/site/Anxiety.phpthis reduces the anxiety to a level. complete anxiety goes only when other things related to persons confidence, self esteem and working capabilities etc. are taken care of. If any one tries this and finds it working then mail me back for other things and it works.

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verbal children also will never tell that they are anxious its needed to be observed by there behavior and body language. and all steps from initiating talk, convincing them , counseling them and making them speak with all patience and persistence of person helping the child has to be dine. Its difficult but can be done for sure. One has to only listen and support when they speak with complete positive attitude,logic and practical way to deal the situation related to anxiety. its all about observation,persistence and patiencefor non verbal its more difficult that they have to be observed are they anxious and have to find out why they are anxious. . i don't know much about non verbal children how they behave or communicate. But there must be some way to find out or have to try sorting as per our own

reasoning. But removing anxiety is the first and most important step.Autistic children are not trained to express there feelings so they need to be understood how they feel clear the doubts balance there emotions and teach them expressing them selves and countering as well as handling it. But for that first thing is to reduce the anxiety by complete own observation and effort of the person dealing with the autistic person as autistic people never tell by themselves anything till they learn to do it.Subject: RE: Re: severe dental anxietyTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 10:42 AM

While that might work for a verbal child, the nonverbal child is not going to tell you what they are anxious about. Hilda From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Countering AutismSent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:21 PMTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Subject:

Re: Re: severe dental anxiety It has always worked when i tried it on someone by myself. But I will be doing it with group of autistic people with proper noting down of details and result and will post it to be exactly what happens. but it will take time and will sure post the results.If you want to see the difference that can anxiety be effected by counselingdo this things and see does anxiety gets effected or not1) when ever you see him anxious try to find out the reason by talking in extreme calm voice2) keep your tone always that of friend3) let him

express all the feelings and listen how ever unimportant talks it may be4) make him feel secure again and again5) most of the time he is anxious because he is worried about some fixation related thing counsel it with reason that what imagination of his are not true6) many time he is anxious on some thing he doesn't want to do and knows has to do7) continuously make him feel important by making him do small works and counseling8) Find what type of temptation he suffers and counsel it with reason 9) Do it persistentlyfor details try this linkhttp://www.counteringautism.com/final/site/Anxiety.phpthis reduces the anxiety to a level. complete anxiety goes only when other things related to persons confidence, self esteem and working capabilities etc. are taken care of. If any one tries this and finds it working then mail me back for other things and it

works.

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my son tells me he is scared when showing anxiety behaviors. when he gets to this point no talking no matter how calm helps. Sent from my iPhone

verbal children also will never tell that they are anxious its needed to be observed by there behavior and body language. and all steps from initiating talk, convincing them , counseling them and making them speak with all patience and persistence of person helping the child has to be dine. Its difficult but can be done for sure. One has to only listen and support when they speak with complete positive attitude,logic and practical way to deal the situation related to anxiety. its all about observation,persistence and patiencefor non verbal its more difficult that they have to be observed are they anxious and have to find out why they are anxious. . i don't know much about non verbal children how they behave or communicate. But there must be some way to find out or have to try sorting as per our own

reasoning. But removing anxiety is the first and most important step.Autistic children are not trained to express there feelings so they need to be understood how they feel clear the doubts balance there emotions and teach them expressing them selves and countering as well as handling it. But for that first thing is to reduce the anxiety by complete own observation and effort of the person dealing with the autistic person as autistic people never tell by themselves anything till they learn to do it.Subject: RE: Re: severe dental anxietyTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 10:42 AM

While that might work for a verbal child, the nonverbal child is not going to tell you what they are anxious about. Hilda From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Countering AutismSent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:21 PMTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Subject:

Re: Re: severe dental anxiety It has always worked when i tried it on someone by myself. But I will be doing it with group of autistic people with proper noting down of details and result and will post it to be exactly what happens. but it will take time and will sure post the results.If you want to see the difference that can anxiety be effected by counselingdo this things and see does anxiety gets effected or not1) when ever you see him anxious try to find out the reason by talking in extreme calm voice2) keep your tone always that of friend3) let him

express all the feelings and listen how ever unimportant talks it may be4) make him feel secure again and again5) most of the time he is anxious because he is worried about some fixation related thing counsel it with reason that what imagination of his are not true6) many time he is anxious on some thing he doesn't want to do and knows has to do7) continuously make him feel important by making him do small works and counseling8) Find what type of temptation he suffers and counsel it with reason 9) Do it persistentlyfor details try this linkhttp://www.counteringautism.com/final/site/Anxiety.phpthis reduces the anxiety to a level. complete anxiety goes only when other things related to persons confidence, self esteem and working capabilities etc. are taken care of. If any one tries this and finds it working then mail me back for other things and it

works.

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when he is in fear and anxious then sit with him and just talk different things.(most of the times autistic people don't know exactly why they anxious)., if he does not wants to discuss the cause then don't force him just keep motivational, supporting talks, telling everyone has fears and its ok to have fear just need to get out of it. Just be there as friend and make him feel he is fearful but actually nothing that sort happening in real so he can handle it. Don't force him to talk anything if he is scared. Focus on just being with him in strong and cool manner as if he will see you in strong and cool mode and you will convey it he himself will also slowly learn it and once he does it will get easier. Remember its not going to work in small times but persistently every time you see that state just go and talk and be a friend and make him understand that what

he is fearing is actually not happening and never has happened so its just imaginary. And if any thing happens he can tell to you and you will solve it always so not to worry. If he is not talking at all then sit near him and be a friend and try to engage him in the manner you can. If you try persistently the scare will get lesser then you can more focus on anxiety cause. tell about yourself how you many time fear things and that are not real.Subject: RE: Re: severe dental anxietyTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 10:42 AM

While that might work for a verbal child, the nonverbal child is not going to tell you what they are anxious about. Hilda From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On

Behalf Of Countering AutismSent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:21 PMTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Subject:

Re: Re: severe dental anxiety It has always worked when i tried it on someone by myself. But I will be doing it with group of autistic people with proper noting down of details and result and will post it to be exactly what happens. but it will take time and will sure post the results.If you want to see the difference that can anxiety be effected by counselingdo this things and see does anxiety gets effected or not1) when ever you see him anxious try to find out the reason by talking in extreme calm voice2) keep your tone always that of friend3) let him

express all the feelings and listen how ever unimportant talks it may be4) make him feel secure again and again5) most of the time he is anxious because he is worried about some fixation related thing counsel it with reason that what imagination of his are not true6) many time he is anxious on some thing he doesn't want to do and knows has to do7) continuously make him feel important by making him do small works and counseling8) Find what type of temptation he suffers and counsel it with reason 9) Do it persistentlyfor details try this linkhttp://www.counteringautism.com/final/site/Anxiety.phpthis reduces the anxiety to a level. complete anxiety goes only when other things related to persons confidence, self esteem and working capabilities etc. are taken care of. If any one tries this

and finds it working then mail me back for other things and it

works.

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I'm sorry but I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree with this.  My son was terrified of getting his nails cut and this approach we tried and it did not work at all.  Reasoning, talking, etc. was useless for him.  What did work:  Applied behavior analysis.  Broken down into little steps.  Hold my hand for 5 seconds, you get a reward; hold my hand for varying lengths of time, you get a reward; hold my hand with the nail clippers on the table for at least 5 seconds (and then varying the time), then get a reward.  Etc.  It is the ONLY thing that DID work. Hilda From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Countering AutismSent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:16 AMTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Subject: Re: Re: severe dental anxiety when he is in fear and anxious then sit with him and just talk different things.(most of the times autistic people don't know exactly why they anxious)., if he does not wants to discuss the cause then don't force him just keep motivational, supporting talks, telling everyone has fears and its ok to have fear just need to get out of it. Just be there as friend and make him feel he is fearful but actually nothing that sort happening in real so he can handle it. Don't force him to talk anything if he is scared. Focus on just being with him in strong and cool manner as if he will see you in strong and cool mode and you will convey it he himself will also slowly learn it and once he does it will get easier. Remember its not going to work in small times but persistently every time you see that state just go and talk and be a friend and make him understand that what he is fearing is actually not happening and never has happened so its just imaginary. And if any thing happens he can tell to you and you will solve it always so not to worry. If he is not talking at all then sit near him and be a friend and try to engage him in the manner you can. If you try persistently the scare will get lesser then you can more focus on anxiety cause. tell about yourself how you many time fear things and that are not real.Subject: RE: Re: severe dental anxietyTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 10:42 AM While that might work for a verbal child, the nonverbal child is not going to tell you what they are anxious about. Hilda From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Countering AutismSent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:21 PMTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Subject: Re: Re: severe dental anxiety It has always worked when i tried it on someone by myself. But I will be doing it with group of autistic people with proper noting down of details and result and will post it to be exactly what happens. but it will take time and will sure post the results.If you want to see the difference that can anxiety be effected by counselingdo this things and see does anxiety gets effected or not1) when ever you see him anxious try to find out the reason by talking in extreme calm voice2) keep your tone always that of friend3) let him express all the feelings and listen how ever unimportant talks it may be4) make him feel secure again and again5) most of the time he is anxious because he is worried about some fixation related thing counsel it with reason that what imagination of his are not true6) many time he is anxious on some thing he doesn't want to do and knows has to do7) continuously make him feel important by making him do small works and counseling8) Find what type of temptation he suffers and counsel it with reason 9) Do it persistentlyfor details try this linkhttp://www.counteringautism.com/final/site/Anxiety.phpthis reduces the anxiety to a level. complete anxiety goes only when other things related to persons confidence, self esteem and working capabilities etc. are taken care of. If any one tries this and finds it working then mail me back for other things and it works.

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You are right if you want instant result then abd works and process i suggested will never give instant result but abd process just makes someone do to thing not by own interest but for rewards and in real life things not go that way they go on basis of what you can do on your own. And the autistic person doing thing doesnt knows the importance of doing it and pleasure of accomplishing some thing but just for reward and after that he doesn't want to do it again it turns to a calculation. When he does something by understanding about the thing and need and necessity of it for him own then he will be on a path as in life things go that way and every situation has to be dealt by understanding its important and mostly not by what rewards it will give instantly. If child focuses on things with interest in it rather then for instant reward then he learns things

better and street smart way.If you expect to counsel once or twice and it works then there was no autism as thats so easy. I ment long term process so he learns things on the basis of what they are not just abd. He will resist and resist. When i tired this to make some one do some thing then it took me a month and i never got result instantly but the effect goes long term. Best thing i found was change in attitude. Because of that change in attitude for making him do other things important to him i didn't needed to counsel that hard and slowly he started picking things much easier. Sure rewards are used but like this if you follow pattern and be good for week then we take you out to your favorite place etc. But yes first time it seemed very very tough many times I felt like giving up but yes it happens if we deal it in proper manner with keeping our own mind ready for the difficulties. For hints of how to do I have posted a link in this mail

which could help. This type of learning process is the biggest lag to be covered for autistic people else they are intelligent and fine. So working very hard on it even for small tasks is 1000 times more worth then effort we put because by that way we address the core of the problem. If we can achieve this by putting what ever effort we put then we removing the smoke in front of the child working capabilities so its developed by its own. And yes its possible to do that way just by using small small daily life routines but concentrating on making him learn majorly then letting the thing done instantly for instant accomplishment. Its not exactly counseling for doing some particular work but using particular works in life to make him understand the meaning of things in life and making him learn to do things that are important to him

so his real self esteem and confidence improves so he can cope up the situation on his own as he learns. Its like building a system by making the tasks done instead of making a single task done so its 50 times tougher and 1000 times more fruitful.Its a complete process where you keep following him with more attitude to teach him then to get the task done.please check this posted link http://www.counteringautism.com/final/site/Some.phpBasic for the trainer isDon't look for result of what happened by the hour of effort you put. If result didn't came look for opportunity for next effort and be persistent. Be ready instant results are never coming. What you achieve instantly is knowing what he thinks and next step and making him more commit to do things by himself. Many times task has to be

compromised and shifted if not very important instantly even if it could been accomplished by some instant rewards so as to use as an opportunity to push the child to learn to do by interest in it. Keep pushing gently and in most friendly manner so he does by himself. He understands whats important soon for sure.In this link some points related to training are mentioned when you try to make him do something how he behaves and how can be handled for better results like belowHe says he will not do some thing now he will do it later

Push him to do the thing now.Never push him aggressively or with anger.If he doesn't agrees even after enough pushing then take commitment of other time he will do the task

Remember he may not do it again and again after giving time. You have to persistently keep taking next time and reminding.Never argue like blaming he does not keeps his promise.Guess when he has realized he has taken enough chances by saying again and again next time. Push him politely giving logic if he will not do things and delay then how anything will move.When he says he understands and will do it then he means it. If he asks more time give himDon't take his space away from me.Basic rule is force him only after listening what he has said and giving him enough chances to shift the work.Keep extreme patience and control on temper.Subject: RE: Re: severe dental anxietyTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 10:42 AM While that might work for a verbal child, the nonverbal child is not going to tell you what they are anxious about. Hilda From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Countering AutismSent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:21 PMTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Subject: Re: Re: severe dental anxiety It has always worked when i tried it on someone by myself. But I will be doing it with group of autistic people with proper noting down of details and

result and will post it to be exactly what happens. but it will take time and will sure post the results.If you want to see the difference that can anxiety be effected by counselingdo this things and see does anxiety gets effected or not1) when ever you see him anxious try to find out the reason by talking in extreme calm voice2) keep your tone always that of friend3) let him express all the feelings and listen how ever unimportant talks it may be4) make him feel secure again and again5) most of the time he is anxious because he is worried about some fixation related thing counsel it with reason that what imagination of his are not true6) many time he is anxious on some thing he doesn't want to do and knows has to do7) continuously make him feel important by making him do small works and counseling8) Find what type of temptation he suffers and counsel it with reason 9) Do it persistentlyfor details

try this linkhttp://www.counteringautism.com/final/site/Anxiety.phpthis reduces the anxiety to a level. complete anxiety goes only when other things related to persons confidence, self esteem and working capabilities etc. are taken care of. If any one tries this and finds it working then mail me back for other things and it works.

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Yes, and a friend of mine whose son also has autism has developed TD as well.  I don't know exactly what caused his, but he has been through a lot of pain.Haven