Re: 911:: grumpy friday night-getting a license(venting somewhat)

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<< I think applying for a drivers license should be harder, and include an

interview. If your stupid, NO LICENSE FOR YOU !!!!! (in my best soup nazi

voice). >>

AMEN !! Friday night we had a fatality in our county. Father, wife and 2

children (11 nd 18) were on vacation heading for a beach (probably florida,

we havent any near here). Non-american female driving in a Toyota, I

believe, driving down the interstate in the right lane, decides for whatever

reason that she is going to make a left turn---ON THE INTERSTATE!! Well, dad

tried to aviod getting hit, which he probably didnt, but there is no way to

tell by looking at his car. The explorer rolled several times, ejecting 18

yoa daughter (no seatbelt) 25ft into the air and the father (his head hit the

median wall so hard it left an imprint of a mark on his head in the wall).

11yoa daughter seatbelted but trapped, mom ok. Dad died at the scene, older

daughter critical.

The driver of the Toyota spoke no English at the scene!!! How did she get a

license!! You have to pass the written test, and I dont know that it is

given in any other language, since the road signs are only in English, how

does she understand them?

How do you explain this to the family? Someone at work told me that they

were behind a non-english speaking person at a testing location. The

examiner asked the person to step behind the line for the photo. This person

couldn't even do that? So again, how did they get thier license?

It was truly sad. I talked to a man that was at the scene. The 25yoa

daughter landed in front of his car. He actually stopped, tried to to CPR on

dad but realized that he couldnt, so assisted with the others. He was truly

a hero to me. Was willing to get involved and be selfless.

Thanks for letting me add to the venting..

Toni Wyman, (CTO)...Gwinnett County Police, GA (just N of HotLanta)

770 Hi Hope Rd, Lawrenceville, GA 30046

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E911gal136@... wrote:

> AMEN !! Friday night we had a fatality in our county. Father, wife and 2

> children (11 nd 18) were on vacation heading for a beach (probably florida,

UGH! Seems to be going around. Saturday afternoon I responded to an MVA in

Quinton (our mutual aid company) with our

company to handle their landing zone. We brought in 2 helicopters. Some guy was

passing on a blind curve and hit another

car head on. 1 fatality, 2 critical by air, and 2 transported by ground to local

hospital. These are a tragedy, but the next one

hits a little harder ;

Last night our fire dept played softball with a neighboring dept. Afterwards

as several of us were hanging out BSing on the

bleachers, we watched as a speeding pick up truck rounded the bend WAY too fast,

rolled, hit a pole, and ejected the driver.

All of us being firemen, and I also an EMT, were immediately in full sprint as

soon as he started to roll. We were about 100 yards

away when we started, by the time we got to him, debris was still falling to the

ground. He was 10 yards from his truck (on it's roof),

and his motor was another 30 yards up the road. He was unconscious, bleeding

from everywhere. Obvious deformity to the leg

and shoulder. And what appeared to me as agonal breathing. We began direct

pressure on the arterial bleeds, and began artificial

breathing. The three minutes it took for Mannington fire/rescue to arrive seemed

like an eternity (I know it wasn't but...).

He was later transported to a trauma center (choppers weren't available at

scene due to weather). Last I heard he was in critical

condition, but alive. I (we) handle bad things like this all the time, as a

dispatcher and as responders, which many of you are.

But I know first hand now, how different it is when you witness the act, and try

your damnedest to help. This one will

stick in my mind for a long time. You see, I am not a very active EMT, I keep my

cert. for personal and family reasons, and I

am not part of our departments rescue company, so I don't see mva's up close and

personal very often. I say kudos to those who

run accidents all the time.

J. Fred Ayars

Salem NJ

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In our old jail, where you dispatched, jailed and everything else if a

non-english speaking customer came in and pretended to not have a lick of

sense of the english language, we always found jingling the cell keys in

front of them and subtly mentioning a 12 or 20 hour hold until they provided

accurate information was a good way for them to learn english real fast and

if in the event that didn't work it was always see ya in the morning for

another english lesson, usually didn't take more then one lesson for them to

learn english.

>

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>To: <911consoleegroups>

>Subject: Re: 911:: grumpy friday night-getting a license(venting somewhat)

>Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:25:09 -0700

>whip out the old can of pepper spray and see if they suddenly have a

>working

>knowledge of the language.

>

>

>definitely my own opinion and no one elses on this

R. Helm

Laclede Co. Missouri Sheriff Dept.

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Driver license is a political football in our area. The local university (first

political step) made all kinds of waves to get non-English speaking students a

driver license. We even had a test at one time in 2 different lang. One was

Spanish the other Arabic. We always had cheating going on, the DL person was

cranky anyway and they could get a real fire storm going catching one cheating,

hauling them into the radio room ( of all places) we were a state police

department, charged with administering the test. It has always been a problem

and always will be a problem. Test would get stolen. For the English speaking

people we had 6 different test. For the other lang. we had just one test for

each. So when it got stolen, there was no recourse for giving a different test.

So if the English speaking students failed the first written test when they

returned they were given a different test. A non English speaking student,

Spanish or Sadam Husane, if they failed the first time, when they came back they

took the same test again. After a while it was easy for them to pass as they

could finally memorize the test. Some of them had an attitude to go along with

it. Mon. Wed. and Fri. mornings were not a good time to be working as all of

them would gather in the DL room, with all that goat oil on them, it got to be a

real climate problem as well! Those are the days that " I don't miss " at all.

Marcus

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Re: 911:: grumpy friday night-getting a license(venting somewhat)

> Non-american female driving in a Toyota, I

> believe, driving down the interstate in the right lane, decides for

whatever

> reason that she is going to make a left turn

> The driver of the Toyota spoke no English at the scene!!! How did she

get a

> license!! You have to pass the written test, and I dont know that it is

> given in any other language, since the road signs are only in English, how

> does she understand them?

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I don't know how they do it. The only advantage I can see of them having a

license is so we can revoke their privealge and they can drive anyway, can

you feel the sarcasm. Possibly the licensing procedure can accomplish one

thing and that is to get photographs in the system so that they are

obtainable later for officers.

We run into a large contingent who are operating without a license and who

speak no english. It almost seems the exception and not the norm to get a

licensed driver who speaks no english.

Being a smart alec and possibly opening myself up for flak. The new

translator in a can, you stop a car who

says no habla, nicht verstaen, or whatever version of I don't speak english,

whip out the old can of pepper spray and see if they suddenly have a working

knowledge of the language.

definitely my own opinion and no one elses on this.

[Guest guest]

In the Sunshine State the test is given in just about any language they

speak.As far as the road signs,guess it does'nt matter to the Drivers

License Bureau.The States plan is to have so many cars on the road that when

we get flooded,we can walk on the top of them to the Georgia border.

Rick

Delray Beach FD

made We even had a test at one time in 2 different lang. One was Spanish

the other Arabic.

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well in OHIO, i was just in getting my license renewed, a guy came in, could

not speak a bit of english, had someone there to speak for him, asking for a

test in spanish, and he got one, i was floored...I could not beleave that

they would give out a driving test printed in something other than english.

also this reminds me of the time at the pd, officer called in a failer to

stop, car chase went on for about an hour before the suspect crashed. got

him back to the station, could not speak a word of english, go someone who

could speak. russian. When asked why did you not stop, he said " Back in

Russia you stop for the police you die " i wanted to live in the great

country of America......

Jim in Ohio

>From: E911gal136@...

>Reply-To: 911consoleegroups

>To: 911consoleegroups

>Subject: Re: 911:: grumpy friday night-getting a license(venting somewhat)

>Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:20:32 EDT

>

>

>

><< I think applying for a drivers license should be harder, and include an

> interview. If your stupid, NO LICENSE FOR YOU !!!!! (in my best soup nazi

> voice). >>

>

>AMEN !! Friday night we had a fatality in our county. Father, wife and 2

>children (11 nd 18) were on vacation heading for a beach (probably florida,

>we havent any near here). Non-american female driving in a Toyota, I

>believe, driving down the interstate in the right lane, decides for

>whatever

>reason that she is going to make a left turn---ON THE INTERSTATE!! Well,

>dad

>tried to aviod getting hit, which he probably didnt, but there is no way to

>tell by looking at his car. The explorer rolled several times, ejecting 18

>yoa daughter (no seatbelt) 25ft into the air and the father (his head hit

>the

>median wall so hard it left an imprint of a mark on his head in the wall).

>11yoa daughter seatbelted but trapped, mom ok. Dad died at the scene,

>older

>daughter critical.

>The driver of the Toyota spoke no English at the scene!!! How did she get

>a

>license!! You have to pass the written test, and I dont know that it is

>given in any other language, since the road signs are only in English, how

>does she understand them?

>How do you explain this to the family? Someone at work told me that they

>were behind a non-english speaking person at a testing location. The

>examiner asked the person to step behind the line for the photo. This

>person

>couldn't even do that? So again, how did they get thier license?

>It was truly sad. I talked to a man that was at the scene. The 25yoa

>daughter landed in front of his car. He actually stopped, tried to to CPR

>on

>dad but realized that he couldnt, so assisted with the others. He was

>truly

>a hero to me. Was willing to get involved and be selfless.

>Thanks for letting me add to the venting..

>

>

>Toni Wyman, (CTO)...Gwinnett County Police, GA (just N of HotLanta)

>770 Hi Hope Rd, Lawrenceville, GA 30046

>(These are only my opinions, not my agency's, after all they are the

>government and they have opinions of their own)

>For liability reasons my posts and opinions are to be reprinted with my

>permission only. ALSO any solicitation of business with my agency should

>come through me if you have my name from this list. NO outside solicitors

>may contact anyone other than myself.

>Email to: E911GAL136@...

>ICQ: 50181147

>

>

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