Re: Digest Number 740

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Hello Group:

I am sorry I have been out of circulation again, but am so impressed with the

wisdom, interest and support that is shared on this list. Kathy, I just had to

respond to your description of the need to widen the therapy lens at times when

working with families battling OCD. I often find that true targetting of OCD

can't happen for a while because other essential tools are not in place. I make

that clear to parents when I start. Perhaps the fall out from OCD has left a

family so burdened, they don't have the energy to focus, or there is not the

foundation of effective strategies to handle regular, non-OCD issues with say,

an intense, low frustration-tolerance child, so adding on to that

the task of OCD homework is doomed to failure (temporarily), or no one in the

house has been sleeping for weeks etc. Addressing these issues then becomes the

focus until they are at a workable place. OCD therapists, like parents, can

want things to go like clockwork, and while we are all entitled to want that, it

is usually unrealistic to expect it. So speaking for my profession, if you're

finding a therapist who is not taking on the big picture, and is wanting you to

be ready for him/her, yes, it does make sense to keep on hunting for a good

therapist partner.

Best,

Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.

[Guest guest]

Hello Group:

I am sorry I have been out of circulation again, but am so impressed with the

wisdom, interest and support that is shared on this list. Kathy, I just had to

respond to your description of the need to widen the therapy lens at times when

working with families battling OCD. I often find that true targetting of OCD

can't happen for a while because other essential tools are not in place. I make

that clear to parents when I start. Perhaps the fall out from OCD has left a

family so burdened, they don't have the energy to focus, or there is not the

foundation of effective strategies to handle regular, non-OCD issues with say,

an intense, low frustration-tolerance child, so adding on to that

the task of OCD homework is doomed to failure (temporarily), or no one in the

house has been sleeping for weeks etc. Addressing these issues then becomes the

focus until they are at a workable place. OCD therapists, like parents, can

want things to go like clockwork, and while we are all entitled to want that, it

is usually unrealistic to expect it. So speaking for my profession, if you're

finding a therapist who is not taking on the big picture, and is wanting you to

be ready for him/her, yes, it does make sense to keep on hunting for a good

therapist partner.

Best,

Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.

[Guest guest]

Dear Barbara, I really appreciate what you wrote in Message 14 of Sickbuildings Digest Number 740. We all need to write our Congressmen and Senators and demand answers about toxic mold contamination of our soil, our buildings and infection of our bodies. Our elected leaders must be held accountable to answer questions and address toxic mold issues. These toxic mold problems are so serious and widespread that they no longer remain losses and problems of individual families, isolated and alone. These problems affect the whole of society and should affect public policy. No one can consider themselves safe. I agree we need to know where these toxic molds came from as well as how to be healed of long term and potentially lethal toxicity from them. Pat answers and denials no longer suffice. Many people affected are highly intelligent people. In my opinion, I see the manner in which mold cases are handled as nothing more than the rackaterring by the insurance companies in organized conspsiracy and scams with the government agencies working hand in hand with them. All this results in cover ups. In my opinion, this activity is outrageous and unconscionable conduct and should be actionable in a court of law for RICO violations and treble damages. Individuals must band together to win against such odds. Marilyn Schrock

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There are 18 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:1. New to the GroupFrom: Janet Harden 2. Are people regularly and habitually lying in the workplace? From: "bherk" 3. Progressive Engineer - "Engineering Sleuth"From: "bherk" 4. Road RageFrom: "bherk" 5. Fw: #715: A Textbook for Whistle-Blowers From: "bherk" 6. Update on (Incline Village CFIDS victim) - Still looking for answersFrom: "bherk" 7. Diseased tonsils give some kids more grief than previously thoughtFrom: "bherk" 8. A New Epidemic? Hepatitis C can strike decades after exposure, and it can be deadlyFrom: "bherk" 9. The Electronic Textbook of DermatologyFrom: "bherk" 10. Dust Mites, Cats Doubted as Cause of Childhood Asthma From: "bherk" 11. Unhealthy Carpets in the HomeFrom: "bherk" 12. Medical Researcher Pays For Doubting Industry Claim From: "bherk" 13. The Dirty Secret About Some Fuel Efficient CarsFrom: "bherk" 14. Reno Gazette-Journal Mold Series January 14, 2001From: "bherk" 15. How McNuggets changed the worldFrom: "bherk" 16. Should humans really be used in toxic tests? From: "bherk" 17. IERB Launched to Promote Best Practices in Building Remediation From: "bherk" 18. Re: Update on (Incline Village CFIDS victim) - Still looking for answersFrom: " Haney" ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 1Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:31:25 -0800From: Janet Harden Subject: New to the GroupHello Everybody,I understand that I may be the first Interior Designer to join thegroup. Thou I hope that more designers begin to understand the direconsequences of their work on the IAQ of any building.In part I chose creating homes for the chemically sensitive because I amMCS, and who better to be able to find the sources to get things builtthe right way then a designer. I own my company and strive to create interiors that are both stylishand safer, as close to non-toxic as I can given my knowledge. I like toqualify that because I know that not everyone is sensitive to the samethings. What is safe for one individual is not always safe foranother. I work closely with individuals and families to get the bestpossible results for them. I also work with the disAbled to create accessable homes for theirspecific disAbility, this includes the elderly with the special needs ofgrowing old. Giving them more freedom within their surroundings.Hopefully making life just a little bit easier. I would encourage anyone interested in more info to check my web site oremail me directly there is a link on my web site for email.www.visionaryinteriors.comThank You AllJanet Harden-- =================================================================================================Visionary Interiors 206-849-1101 Designs for Living, Janet A Harden www.visionaryinteriors.com Designs for Life =================================================================================================________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 2Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:10:27 -0500From: "bherk" Subject: Are people regularly and habitually lying in the workplace? The Whole TruthAre people regularly and habitually lying in the workplace?By Kathy -MasseyThere's an epidemic plaguing our society. It may be more pervasive than allthe cancers combined, more destructive than that flesh-eating virus thatshocked us a few years ago, and equally as horrifying to witness. It'sdifficult to detect and more common than the common cold, for which there isstill no cure. It grows and spreads faster than a patch of poison ivy. It'slying. And boy, have we got it bad.You Can't Tell Just OneLet's face it: everybody lies. There are varying degrees of dishonesty,ranging from the well-intended white lie ("No honey, that skirt doesn't makeyou look too big") to the destructive and malicious whopper. Our awarenessof dishonesty starts early in life (Pinocchio, The Boy who Cried Wolf,etc.), but most kids who steal a piece of candy from the corner store orcheat on a test will not grow into notorious con artists. Research doesshow, however, that the earlier dishonest behavior starts and the longer itgoes unchecked, the more likely it is to continue through adulthood.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------One of every four adults in the United States thinks it's okay to lie to getahead.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Students who cheat and go undetected or unpunished, for example, are muchmore likely to make it a way of life. It's no wonder that today's workplaceis full of adults who lie about everything from past job experiences tofellow employees. Fast Company reported a recent survey of 40,000 Americans,some 93 percent of which admitted to lying "regularly and habitually in theworkplace."Any lie worth telling ought to be good and, in order to sustain a good lie,one has to keep telling it--each time adding a little extra something. Likeeating peanuts or potato chips, once you start, it's hard to stop.To Tell the TruthReportedly, one of every four adults in the United States thinks it's okayto lie to get ahead. In fact, approximately three-quarters of all jobseekersadmitted lying on their resumes in a recent survey conducted bySelectJOBS.com. But why? What about hard work, education, networking, etc?Simply put, many people feel they have better control of their own successif they give the truth a little boost. Dipboye, chair of the psychology department at Rice University, citedfive general reasons why people lie in a recent article:NeedOpportunityFeelings of dissatisfaction or mistreatmentFeelings of inequityEveryone else does itMix in a few deeper issues--fear, insecurity, greed, and incompetence--andyou have the formula for an organizational climate of distrust. And a goodeconomy might also be a contributing factor to the abundance of dishonestbehavior in the workplace. Because of the ever-evolving global marketplace,professionals are now changing jobs up to 10 times during the course of acareer. The tight labor market has increased competition among employees andorganizations, breeding employers who will lie to keep employees andemployees who are willing to do nearly anything, including lie, to setthemselves apart from other employees. Loyalty and honesty are two apparentcasualties of a prosperous workforce.Because of the fast pace of our marketplace, employers do not always takethe time needed to check out potential employees thoroughly. And when theydo, competition usually forces them to ignore the results."I'm a big advocate of the behavioral interview, which provides a goodindication of a person's sense of ethics," says a Chinsky Matuson, anHR consultant with her own firm in Northampton, MA. "But in professions likesales or recruiting, a company might still hire someone who is revealed tobe dishonest because that person has a good sales record. Then the personturns out to be an embezzler or something. The company deserves it forhiring a known liar," she adds.In one such case of an employer not doing its homework, the results provedquite costly for both the company and the employee. When "" landed ahigh-paying job at a major utility corporation right out of college, peoplewho knew her weren't surprised. After all, she was an intelligent,attractive, enthusiastic go-getter. was known for her excellentinterpersonal skills and ability to unite people around projects. As aresult, she rapidly climbed the corporate ladder as a project manager. But arapid descent soon followed because her loosely woven web of deceit began tounravel.When she was promoted for the second time, went to a department wherethe manager was not expected to just manage projects and people, but toactually do the work. One mistake followed another and people began toquestion her experience, her expertise, and her reported college GPA. Thespeculation and whispering led to an investigation into her background. Amonth later, was unceremoniously dismissed.Monkey See, Monkey DoEmployees aren't the only ones being deceptive. Many employers condoneunethical business practices and use lies to drive productivity or hidetheir own inadequacies. In fact, in some professions, the willingness andability to lie has become institutionalized, unspoken criteria for successon the job. How many politicians and car salesmen do you really trust?Tom Terez, author of 22 Keys to Creating a Meaningful Workplace, calls thisunspoken acceptance or embracement of dishonesty "cultural denial. Ithappens when organizations acquire permission to shape the truth, so thatthey're not quite dishonest, but not totally honest either," he says. "Overtime, this sense of denial gets perpetuated, eventually becoming theelephant in the middle of the room that everyone just tiptoes around."Employees tend to mimic the behavior of their leadership models. "Whensenior management plays fast and loose with the rules that everyone else hasto live by, it gets whispered about around the water cooler, but neverreally gets addressed," according to Terez. "So people begin to question whythey have to follow certain expectations when the boss doesn't." Often thevery rules, policies, and procedures used to inspire ethical behavior in theworkplace are responsible for the lack of honesty at work. Managers wearthese rules like cloaks of protection for their own duplicity and deceit."These systems are based on a carrot and stick mentality, which creates anunhealthy internal competition. And many times they're working with rulesthat have stuck around for years, but have no meaning. Many of these rulesare designed to catch people doing something bad," Terez believes, insteadof inspiring people "to do something good. People look for ways tocircumvent the rules and systems, and the lying and dishonesty just getsreinforced and repeated."Matuson agrees, adding a caveat for employers: "Sometimes the company givesyou no choice. I'm not advocating lying, but sometimes unfair rules backpeople into corners. If a company has a leave policy that penalizes peoplefor staying home with their sick children, they're going to call in and lieabout why they can't come to work. Fix the rules and you'll probably fix theproblem," Matuson says.Unfortunately, employees who operate honestly and ethically often inspireanger, guilt, and resentment in their managers. These managers are not aboveconspiring with one employee to hurt another. Dishonesty then becomes ameans of achieving the respect of unsavory managers--membership in the innercircle.Truth or ConsequencesPsychotherapist Brad Blanton, author of Radical Honesty: How to TransformYour Life by Telling the Truth (DTP, 1996), is such a believer in the powerof honesty that he started an underground movement of sorts. On his RadicalHonesty Network (Radicalhonesty.com), Blanton's "followers" extol thevirtues of telling the truth about everything. Positive results may includebetter relationships, heightened creativity, less stress, less anger, lessresentment, more satisfying work experiences, faster decisions, and greaterproductivity.If those kinds of results are not enough to provoke widespread honesty inthe workplace, the bottom line costs of dishonesty might be. The UnitedStates Justice Department estimates that American businesses lose $177billion annually in productivity because of dishonesty.Yes, our workplace has a potentially deadly disease. And while the truth maybe hard to face, we cannot just deny dishonesty and hope it goes away. Ifleft untreated, it will spread ravenously through our organizations,wreaking havoc on trust, productivity, teamwork, and profits. Yet, unlikethe common cold, there is a cure: the truth, the whole truth, and nothingbut the truth.Kathy -Massey has been writing for years, including a stint as thelifestyle/home reporter for a large southeastern daily. She is also adevelopment consultant who works with people and organizations steeped inthe bureaucratic, political, and social issues that drain workplaces ofenergy and creativity. -Massey covers career and human resource topicsfor www.yourwriters.com.________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 3Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:33:03 -0500From: "bherk" Subject: Progressive Engineer - "Engineering Sleuth"The January/February 2001 issue of Progressive Engineer includes an articleon http://www.progressiveengineer.com/frm_fea1.htm the Chesapeake BayFoundation's new Philip Merrill Environmental Center - a showcase ofenvironmentally friendly design and construction -- and a nice place towork, too, by Tom GibsonThe November/December issue of Progressive Engineer, the online magazinecovering the mid-Atlantic and northeast regions of the U.S., focuses onmanufacturing and mechanical engineering and includes a profile that mightbe of interest. It concerns an engineer named Des Champs, whostarted a company that manufactures ventilation and air conditioningequipment based on air-to-air heat exchangers he developed. The heatexchangers recover energy and allow for energy savings, adequate ventilationto meet new standards, and improved indoor air quality.. however hisspecialty is forensic engineering as an expert witness.http://www.ProgressiveEngineer.com.Bernard BersonEngineering SleuthIn 1992, Bernard Berson found himself running a civil engineering firm thatwas experiencing financial difficulties. Almost in desperation, he turned toa unique form of engineering to sustain the firm through tough times. Alawyer friend asked him to do some forensic work, and he taught Berson thelegal aspects of it. "I liked what I was doing, and apparently he liked whatI was doing because he started giving referrals, and it began to grow,"Berson recalls. "It became obvious it was something I was fairly talentedat."Berson not only found a way to rejuvenate his firm, he went on to develop aniche in the field of forensic engineering, and he liked it so much heplanned his retirement around it. At 66, the native of Metuchen, New Jerseyfinds himself going strong in his new endeavor. "I call myself retiredbecause I don't go to a fulltime job every day. But I have no image ofsitting around the fishing hole," as he puts it.Born and raised in Meriden, Connecticut, Berson took a roundabout path tobecome a civil engineer. After high school, he went to the University ofConnecticut, largely because in-state tuition was free, and it was the onlychoice for someone from a poor background such as his. "I didn't even knowwhat an engineer was. When I went to high school, I did no preparation work.I wanted to be a writer," he recalls.One summer, Berson decided to get a summer construction job, so he went tothe state of Connecticut employment office with three friends. At the sametime, a civil engineer happened into the office looking for help because hehad just landed a big contract for surveying the new Route 95, theConnecticut Turnpike. "He hired the four of us because he just needed warmbodies," Berson recalls in explaining how he became a rodman, a member of asurveying crew. "When I went to work on Monday and they gave me a plumb bob,I couldn't believe my eyes. I said ,'What is this thing?' Within days, Ibegan to absorb what we were doing, and I became very turned on by it."Six weeks later, he called UConn to request an unusual transfer to theengineering school. "I was terrified. I didn't have any idea how I was goingto get through it. I switched to engineering school because they hadsurveying courses, and as it turned out, I became excited about engineeringas well," he says. "It's an absolute fluke. If I had shown up an hour laterat that employment office, I don't think I'd be an engineer today." He notonly holds a B.S. in civil engineering from UConn, but also an M.S. in civilengineering with a specialty in sanitary engineering from Newark College ofEngineering in New Jersey.Berson's career started in 1957 when he went to work for the City of LosAngeles designing storm drainage systems. He later worked for variousengineering firms as a highway engineer, site engineer and surveyor, andutility engineer. That set the table for him to start his own firm, BernardR. Berson & Associates in 1968. The company performed general civilengineering work, specializing in site engineering for private landsubdividers, industrial developers, and commercial developers. This includedlayout and planning of lots, roads, and buildings and designinginfrastructure such as storm drains, sanitary sewerage, pumping stations,water distribution systems, and fire protection systems.After more than 20 years of success, the firm began to struggle when itmoved into expensive offices in 1991, only to have a recession ensue.Private-sector clients were going bankrupt and not paying bills, and workwas hard to get. Financial debt mounted. The forensic engineering workBerson brought to the firm helped it survive until 1997, when ConsultingMunicipal Engineers in Parlin, New Jersey bought Berson out and hired himand his staff. "It took a great emotional stress off me," he reports.Berson served as a principal for CME for three years, but he found itawkward working for someone else after running his own show for 29 years. "Ihad a yearning to do my own thing again," he says. He also becamechair-elect of the Private Practice Division of the National Society ofProfessional Engineers, and he wanted to be able to fly to meetings andconduct NSPE business without conflicts. Noting that "one of my mostexciting and enjoyable activities in recent years as a working engineer wasthe forensic work," he figured he could work as a forensic consultant andmake enough money to cover his NSPE activities and have a little left over."That's the way it's working out. And I'm enjoying it no end."So just what is forensic engineering? "People instantly think it meansQuincy (the old TV show starring Jack Klugman as a coroner) and medicalstuff, bodies," Berson muses. "Basically, it's investigative work associatedwith legal issues." Covering New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania, hespecializes in professional negligence, construction claims, and riskmanagement, and his services include consultation, research, report writing,and testimony.Much of Berson's work involves litigation or the potential of it --engineering firms often want to know if they're vulnerable to liability. Todefine professional liability, he compares it with the more-familiar arenaof product liability. If you design a product such as a tricycle, andsomebody gets hurt when it breaks, the law doesn't allow excuses for that.But Berson says most state laws look at a professional differently than amanufacturer or commercial enterprise. They examine if a professionaldesigns something in accordance with so-called standards of care, or how an=== message truncated ===

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Hi E

Kathy here:) I've wore hearing aid in my right ear for about 6 years now

for a severe nerve loss. Yes, aids do help but takes a long time getting use

too. However i've been w/o now for about four weeks as my daughters dog

climbed on my desk and ate it. LOL $1800 down the drain sort of speak. I

really miss it when watching tv but close captioning helps. I do have a back

up one from 3 years ago with all the modern stuff but have never been able to

get it adjusted right but do wear it watching tv and when talking with kids.

Otherwise i work in a noisy enviroment and aids don't work at all. Take care

Kathy

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In a message dated 1/29/01 4:06:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

leftythebaker@... writes:

<< Otherwise i work in a noisy enviroment and aids don't work at all. Take

care

Kathy >>

Kathy, I have the same problem some others have,head ,bed & dead all

sound alike to me. Man can I get in trouble with that. Would a hearing aid

help with that?

E

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> " Ellen what is calendula oil used for? Thanks "

Hi ,

I use calendula oil as one of the ingredients in my All-Purpose Skin

Salve. It helps skin irritations, bee stings, burns, and is soothing

for dry skin....I also use it in my hand cream.

Ellen

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Ellen what is calendula oil used for? Thanks

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Digest Number 740

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From: " " <sbulmer@...>

> Subject: Dr. Arechiga

>

> Dr. works with a dentist named Dr. Arechiga in Mexico. Has anybody

> been to him or know anyone that has?

I just had all my upper teeth removed by Dr Arechiga, and the cavitations

cleaned. They are all very polite, well mannered. The office and equipment

are modern. The price was reasonable. I was told over 5 years ago (in the

states) the cost for upper and lower removal and cavitation cleaning would

start at $10,000. That would not include provisional plates or plates after

healing. I still have the bottom teeth to go, but they gave me a price under

$2000.00. (you would have to talk with them but the basic price is $80.00

per tooth for removal. Dr. Soloria speaks perfect English. However, I had no

problem communicating with Dr Arechiga. BTW, I also met a woman who had been

going there for many years and said she had always been pleased.

If there are any questions I can answer, please don't hesitate. Norma

[Guest guest]

Hi,

The cost here ranges from $1000 to $3000 per tooth removed (Canada).

Can I ask why you are having your teeth removed and what improvements you

have seen from removing your upper teeth?

Regards,

Dr. Arechiga

> >

> > Dr. works with a dentist named Dr. Arechiga in Mexico. Has

anybody

> > been to him or know anyone that has?

>

> I just had all my upper teeth removed by Dr Arechiga, and the cavitations

> cleaned. They are all very polite, well mannered. The office and equipment

> are modern. The price was reasonable. I was told over 5 years ago (in the

> states) the cost for upper and lower removal and cavitation cleaning would

> start at $10,000. That would not include provisional plates or plates

after

> healing. I still have the bottom teeth to go, but they gave me a price

under

> $2000.00. (you would have to talk with them but the basic price is $80.00

> per tooth for removal. Dr. Soloria speaks perfect English. However, I had

no

> problem communicating with Dr Arechiga. BTW, I also met a woman who had

been

> going there for many years and said she had always been pleased.

>

> If there are any questions I can answer, please don't hesitate. Norma

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 6/1/02 6:52:28 PM, writes:

<< I was talking to my neighbor about diets this afternoon, trying to

convince him that its all the lowfat hi-carbs in our diet that are

making us fat. He claims that we eat way more protein than other

countries and that is why. What is the correct answer to this? Do we

eat more protein? I would argue we eat more carbs than other countries.

Anyone have any info on this? >>

Since 1980 our consumption of fat has fallen from about 43% to 34% of

calories, our consumption of protein has remained about the same at 15-20%,

and our intake of carbs has made up the difference. Let's put it this way --

from 1960 -1980, obesity rates (BMI >30) in this country were fairly stable

at about 14% of the population; now obesity rates are >22% and climbing.

Those that are overweight are now over 50%. This increase occurred just as

the government told us to eat low fat. The body can make fat from any excess

calories, but it is very inefficient at turning protein into fat. We

certainly eat more refined, processed carbos than anywhere else.

Namaste, Liz

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From: <Ecmillerreid@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 3:15 PM

Subject: Re: Digest Number 740

>

> In a message dated 6/1/02 6:52:28 PM,

writes:

>

> << I was talking to my neighbor about diets this afternoon, trying to

> convince him that its all the lowfat hi-carbs in our diet that are

> making us fat. He claims that we eat way more protein than other

> countries and that is why. What is the correct answer to this? Do we

> eat more protein? I would argue we eat more carbs than other countries.

> Anyone have any info on this? >>

>

> Since 1980 our consumption of fat has fallen from about 43% to 34% of

> calories, our consumption of protein has remained about the same at

15-20%,

> and our intake of carbs has made up the difference. Let's put it this

way --

> from 1960 -1980, obesity rates (BMI >30) in this country were fairly

stable

> at about 14% of the population; now obesity rates are >22% and climbing.

> Those that are overweight are now over 50%. This increase occurred just as

> the government told us to eat low fat.

But didn't the government redefine the terms " overweight " and " obese "

several years ago?

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At 03:34 PM 6/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>----- Original Message -----

>From: <Ecmillerreid@...>

>< >

>Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 3:15 PM

>Subject: Re: Digest Number 740

>

>

> >

> > In a message dated 6/1/02 6:52:28 PM,

>writes:

> >

> > << I was talking to my neighbor about diets this afternoon, trying to

> > convince him that its all the lowfat hi-carbs in our diet that are

> > making us fat. He claims that we eat way more protein than other

> > countries and that is why. What is the correct answer to this? Do we

> > eat more protein? I would argue we eat more carbs than other countries.

> > Anyone have any info on this? >>

> >

> > Since 1980 our consumption of fat has fallen from about 43% to 34% of

> > calories, our consumption of protein has remained about the same at

>15-20%,

> > and our intake of carbs has made up the difference. Let's put it this

>way --

> > from 1960 -1980, obesity rates (BMI >30) in this country were fairly

>stable

> > at about 14% of the population; now obesity rates are >22% and climbing.

> > Those that are overweight are now over 50%. This increase occurred just as

> > the government told us to eat low fat.

>

>But didn't the government redefine the terms " overweight " and " obese "

>several years ago?

Some people argue the BMI index is unreliable. There was a recent article

in which several professional athletes were overweight by having a BMI

greater than 25. If you are into weight lifting and body building you

could have a body fat percentage of less than 10% (very lean) but have a

BMI over 25 because you are more muscle bound than the average man or woman

of your height.

As for redefining standards. In 1997 the definition of Type II diabetes

was changed. It was a fasting plasma glucose greater than 140 mg/dl on two

or more occasions. It has been changed to greater than greater than 126

mg/dl or Plasma glucose of 200 mg/dL or greater at 2 hours following a

75-gram glucose load. If you are greater than 110 but less than 126 I

think you are followed closely. This may explain the increase in type II

diabetes.

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In a message dated 7/3/03 1:32:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> You have to have

> SUCCESSFULLY killed someone to merit legal attention. I have been

> harmed but many of our cases do not rise to the level of

> headlines--only enough to end our livelihoods and our lives as we knew

> them.

>

There ARE other lawfirms handling cases against the thugs who make this

poison. But it's a nightmare to go through the legal process.

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/3/03 1:32:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> You have to have

> SUCCESSFULLY killed someone to merit legal attention. I have been

> harmed but many of our cases do not rise to the level of

> headlines--only enough to end our livelihoods and our lives as we knew

> them.

>

There ARE other lawfirms handling cases against the thugs who make this

poison. But it's a nightmare to go through the legal process.

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/3/03 1:32:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> His appointment of Randall Tobias, the retired chairman and chief executive

> officer of the Indianapolis-based Eli Lilly and Co., drew immediate

> criticism from AIDS activists who said his connections to the pharmaceutical

> industry would raise conflict-of-interest issues.

>

>

Oh, it's Mr. Tobias. The one whose wife killed herself while taking E.lie

Lilly's blockbuster drug, Prozac!!!! Buh-bye, Mr. Tobias. Have a lovely time

in Africa!!

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/3/03 1:32:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> His appointment of Randall Tobias, the retired chairman and chief executive

> officer of the Indianapolis-based Eli Lilly and Co., drew immediate

> criticism from AIDS activists who said his connections to the pharmaceutical

> industry would raise conflict-of-interest issues.

>

>

Oh, it's Mr. Tobias. The one whose wife killed herself while taking E.lie

Lilly's blockbuster drug, Prozac!!!! Buh-bye, Mr. Tobias. Have a lovely time

in Africa!!

Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A>