Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 >>>>>>>>> I think I am insane. I probably am since I despise my reality, finding only truth in nature as it is, seeing only ugliness in all its spectrum in humanity around me. I live in a major war zone. Literally. IN the middle east. I am sick to my stomach with what I witness day in and day out with people crossing other people's boundaries, innocense being stolen, nature being cut down. My own family is one of horrors - my conditioning - emotional rape. I just down't even know where to begin doing this work, though I see as I see other teachers in my life - like Peace Pilgrim - people who live their truth. I'd like to be that. I just really need to find some light in all of this BS. The only person I can change is myself- that I know - and have been working on this for over 30 years. Still I find little but sadness and depression. It's more to do with this underlying grief to my psyche that I can't even begin to put a finger on. All I can say is - I'm just utterly weary of this charade in it's entirety. Thanks for hearing - joy >>>>>>>> I too discovered that no real progress can be made without... forgiveness. A teacher that I heard said: Realization is nothing but... Total Forgiveness! The moment, you completely forgave... you are realized and the " freedom " will be instantly available and 'verifiable' to you. If it not... it simply means that there is still something or somebody that you haven't completely forgiven. The teacher said, your non-forgives is what keeps " you " ... 'in chain'! You forgive... and, " you " are free! I guess Buddha too said something similar: {paraphrasing} your lack of forgiveness [meaning… your anger, resentment] is the burning coal that you keep in your own hand, hoping to throw it on someone else. Yet, it is your hand that burns first! In fact, lack of forgiveness is worse than that... it is the knot if cancer that " you " deliberately keep alive in your body by watering it with more hate. It hurts you, it hurts you immensely, still you keep it alive by feeding it more similar thoughts, because, in reality... 'being right' and 'setting the record straight' is Far More Important to you than being Peaceful or free. You hate the other more than... you " love " yourself. If not, you will soon see the insanity and un-necessity of non-forgiveness. Ever since I discovered the freedom that forgiveness brings, one of my consistent Patrice/prayer/act is to: ............ Forgive others. ............ Forgive All. ............ Forgive self. ............ Forgive 'God'. You will notice that lot of all " memories " exist simply because we haven't forgiven something and most of those memories are quite burdensome. Forgiveness brings Instant Relief... Watch this video: Note: Please note that I fully endorse this teaching but, I don't at all endorse the teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 About forgiveness....I did not resonate to the video at all. It is such a loaded subject anyway, the most delicate phrasing is probably the only way in right now. I will just quote - Forgiveness is realizing that what you thought happened, didn't. ~ From this I gather that all my experiences were illusions. And so in my remembering them - I am hallucinating. They never happened. Nothing I remember is real. My only reality is now. All thoughts are processed through either spirt or ego. And that's all I have to say about that. joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 > > About forgiveness....I did not resonate to the video at all. It is > such a loaded subject anyway, the most delicate phrasing is probably > the only way in right now. I will just quote - Forgiveness is > realizing that what you thought happened, didn't. ~ From this I > gather that all my experiences were illusions. > > And so in my remembering them - I am hallucinating. They never > happened. Nothing I remember is real. My only reality is now. All > thoughts are processed through either spirt or ego. And that's all I > have to say about that. > > joy That sounds pretty good. When you are in " NOW " , I don't think, you have anything to forgive. Forgiveness might be needed only when you dwell in time. And, I don't think that 's way is only way of forgiveness. In my experience... we can consciously " choose " to forgive... even without having to think what someone might have done or not done. One thing that helps me, is to remember that forgiveness is not about " them " , it is about... " me " . Maybe, you can begin by asking, 'what do I get by keeping these grudges?', 'why do I keep these grudges?', 'in what way, keeping these grudges useful?', 'what I want to accomplish by keeping these grudges?' Maybe, once you honestly ask and examine these questions, you wouldn't need to drop your grudges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Dear Joyshechinah, I haven't read your other mail, but this one stroke something... El 27/11/2007, a las 18:55, joyshechinah escribió: > About forgiveness....I did not resonate to the video at all. It is > such a loaded subject anyway, the most delicate phrasing is probably > the only way in right now. I will just quote - Forgiveness is > realizing that what you thought happened, didn't. ~ From this I > gather that all my experiences were illusions. > > And so in my remembering them - I am hallucinating. They never > happened. Nothing I remember is real. My only reality is now. All > thoughts are processed through either spirt or ego. And that's all I > have to say about that. what you say is true in a way. And it sounds very spiritual. For me the forgiveness thing, the work and all is nothing spiritual at all, but instead very down-to-earth. The thing about the past is that it did happen, it is over, and if I feel regret, pain or anything about it, it's a misunderstanding. I interpret what has happened in a way that is not true for me. And that's to investigate. Investigation can be talked about, but talking about investigating a thought and investigating it are two pairs of shoes. So... if you want to know the truth and if you are really interested in finding some peace and getting your thoughts in order, in understanding them, you'll have to investigate them. One way to do that is the work. welcome. > joy Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 and all that replied to my posts. I am going to sit with this till Saturday nite or so and consider things in order to forumalte questions of inquirty. Then will post. In the meantime - thank you. joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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