Re: Re: young for meds

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I always wonder what they put in non-fat products ,,,like say a cake for example ,,, I figure they must use something else to take it's place,, but What??? So I never buy non-fat items ,,, but that is me and my cholesterol is good no mater what I eat ,,,so I have no worrys there ,,, just wish I could get rid of these darn Thyroid Pounds on me ... BoB Re: Re: young for meds that's right, you really have to be careful when it says low fat...my sister would buy anything that said low fat and she discovered that some products are not as low as they seem...so just because it say low fat remember to check the percentages on the label...I know that some products we get here..such as no name brands not low fat as lower in fat than the low fat ones.......geez that was hard to say...lol Gloria Sue Darnell wrote: Also, Wieght Wather foods inteh frozen sectionare geared for low calories notlow "fat". Same with most "siet foods. You have to read the "fat content. Notthe "choleserol content. The body "makes cholesterol" from "Fat".Not calories. ."Fat is an oil soluble substance, but "hard".Calories are like sugar. They are completelydifferent. more different than apple and oranges.Weight watcher meals are lethalfor a high cholesterol person. 5-7 gramsof fat is enough for a month.Your food must say 0,0,0.0 total fat.0 saturated fat0 cholserterol.000.-sue d.(yes, it puts you on Rice, Molly McButter,vegetables, grains and beans. Fish is usually ok.) wrote:> well whatever the list, it probably won't be covered> in my medical insurance. i have an appointment with> an endocrinologist on May 29, I'm not sure if I should> keep it, but will probably decide 2 days b4.>> What do you mean I sound "thyroid" ?>> --- Sue Darnell wrote:> > I also love excercise. It makes me feel invincible> > for some reason.> > But you sound like "thyroid" to me.> > Why not get copies of your tests and go to a doc on> > the list?> > The list is at About.com> > --Sue D.> >> > wrote:> >> > > Yeah, I know definitely what you're saying !> > That's> > > the funny interesting part Sue. I've been on> > > > > Craig since July and have cut out ALL fried> > things. I> > > stopped that a few weeks ago and even now that I'm> > off> > > the program and eating regular food (I'm now> > following> > > Weight Watchers), I rarely have anything that is> > high> > > in cholesterol content. When I get meat, it is> > 98% !> > > I know all the tricks, I could teach a class on> > weight> > > loss. Both of my parents have high cholesterol> > but> > > it's from a poor diet... not genetic. Migraines,> > on> > > the other hand... ;-(> > >> > > And I was using Lipitor as an example cuz my brain> > > went dead at the moment i was typing that and> > couldn't> > > think of another brand.> > >> > > On a much brighter note, I went to the gym after> > work> > > today, just got home. And I felt the 25 minutes> > was> > > so not long enough but there were people waiting> > and> > > all the other machines were full so I had to> > leave.> > > THIS is how I remember feeling... a long time> > ago... I> > > don't remember the last time I felt this... I> > actually> > > feel NORMAL... is that possible?> > >> > > > > >> > > --- Sue Darnell wrote:> > > > Then also stop eating bacon, bacon cheesburgers,> > > > fried anything, any fat that> > > > is solid at your body temperature is clogging> > you!> > > > In other words, go vegetarian for a year.> > > > Only fish. Fish oil is liquid at your body> > temp.{> > > > And LEAN meat.)> > > > Do not buy regular ground meat at the store. Not> > > > even 7% fat! You need 98%> > > > lean! 2% fat max!> > > > Get a pice ground up. Do not eat more than one> > hot> > > > dog per year.> > > > Or get Ball Park's, Meyer's or Hebrew> > Nat'l's> > > > et Non-fat hot dogs.> > > > Non-fat bologna.> > > > Know what I'm saying here?> > > > They make the really good now.> > > > Cut out 99% of your cholesterol intake.> > > > Eliminate the dietary factor.> > > > You don't wnat your arteries cleaned out next> > > > year...!> > > > Do all the healthy sutff you can.> > > > Tuna and sprouts are great with fat free wheat> > > > bread!> > > > Fat free salad dressing has come along way too.> > > > -sue d.> > > >> > > >> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > > thanks so much cile and gloria!> > > > >> > > > > i just don't think i really need to be taking> > high> > > > > cholesterol meds when it's my thyroid that is> > out> > > > of> > > > > wack and not my cholesterol that is the real> > > > problem.> > > > > wouldn't the thyroid meds be taking care of> > > > lowering> > > > > the cholesterol? It's a lot easier to say I'm> > > > taking> > > > > Vit B3 than to say I'm taking Lipitor being> > 26, so> > > > I'd> > > > > like to prevent taking the chol meds at all> > costs!> > > > >> > > > > CLS> > > > >> > > > > --- cille_98 wrote:> > > > > > My son is taking niacin for his high> > > > cholesterol,> > > > > > they told him to> > > > > > take an aspirin at bedtime when he takes it> > as> > > > it> > > > > > prevents the> > > > > > itching and the flare.> > > > > >> > > > > > Lucille> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > I think I have asked this before. Has> > anyone> > > > here> > > > > > > taken Niacin to lower their cholesterol?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

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Hi

When I still had six children at home, I became very much into label reading. I soon learned over time, that the substitutes for sugar, fat, and the like, were sometimes as bad as, if not worse than those things. Most of the no-fat, or no sugar things I've found, if I read closely enough, have upped thye sodium content severely, or substituted that infamous sugar substitute that we know we're not supposed to have either, as thyroid patients. I've got to admit that, even though I eat a low-fat diet, I do love sweets and carbs. I've just learned to make an appropriate time and place for them, like once a week or so, and I sometimes, though rarely, binge out on them. I always feel bad when I do, to add to everything else. Of course, I know better, but just can't seem to resist at the time. It seems that almost everything we eat, it's darned if you do and darned if you don't.

marin@...

Re: Re: young for meds

that's right, you really have to be careful when it says low fat...my sister would buy anything that said low fat and she discovered that some products are not as low as they seem...so just because it say low fat remember to check the percentages on the label...I know that some products we get here..such as no name brands not low fat as lower in fat than the low fat ones.......geez that was hard to say...lol Gloria Sue Darnell wrote: Also, Wieght Wather foods inteh frozen sectionare geared for low calories notlow "fat". Same with most "siet foods. You have to read the "fat content. Notthe "choleserol content. The body "makes cholesterol" from "Fat".Not calories. ."Fat is an oil soluble substance, but "hard".Calories are like sugar. They are completelydifferent. more dif! ferent than apple and oranges.Weight watcher meals are lethalf or a high cholesterol person. 5-7 gramsof fat is enough for a month.Your food must say 0,0,0.0 total fat.0 saturated fat0 cholserterol.000.-sue d.(yes, it puts you on Rice, Molly McButter,vegetables, grains and beans. Fish is usually ok.) wrote:> well whatever the list, it probably won't be covered> in my medical insurance. i have an appointment with> an endocrinologist on May 29, I'm not sure if I should> keep it, but will probably decide 2 days b4.>> What do you mean I sound "thyroid" ?>> --- Sue Darnell wrote:> > I also love excercise. It makes me feel invincible> > for some reason.> > But you sound like "thyroid" to me.> > Why not get copies of your tests and go to a doc on> > the list?> > The list is at About.com> > --Sue D.> >> >! ; wrote:> >> > > Yeah, I know definitely what you're saying !> > That's> > > the funny interesting part Sue. I've been on> > > > > Craig since July and have cut out ALL fried> > things. I> > > stopped that a few weeks ago and even now that I'm> > off> > > the program and eating regular food (I'm now> > following> > > Weight Watchers), I rarely have anything that is> > high> > > in cholesterol content. When I get meat, it is> > 98% !> > > I know all the tricks, I could teach a class on> > weight> > > loss. Both of my parents have high cholesterol> > but> > > it's from a poor diet... not genetic. Migraines,> > on> > > the other hand... ;-(> > >> > > And I wa! s using Lipitor as an example cuz my brain> > > went dead at the moment i was typing that and> > couldn't> > > think of another brand.> > >> > > On a much brighter note, I went to the gym after> > work> > > today, just got home. And I felt the 25 minutes> > was> > > so not long enough but there were people waiting> > and> > > all the other machines were full so I had to> > leave.> > > THIS is how I remember feeling... a long time> > ago... I> > > don't remember the last time I felt this... I> > actually> > > feel NORMAL... is that possible?> > >> > > > > >> > > --- Sue Darnell wrote:> > > > Then also stop eating bacon, bacon cheesburgers,> > > > fried anything, any fat that> > > > is solid at your! body temperature is clogging> > you!> > > > In other words, go vegetarian for a year.> > > > Only fish. Fish oil is liquid at your body> > temp.{> > > > And LEAN meat.)> > > > Do not buy regular ground meat at the store. Not> > > > even 7% fat! You need 98%> > > > lean! 2% fat max!> > > > Get a pice ground up. Do not eat more than one> > hot> > > > dog per year.> > > > Or get Ball Park's, Meyer's or Hebrew> > Nat'l's> > > > et Non-fat hot dogs.> > > > Non-fat bologna.> > > > Know what I'm saying here?> > > > They make the really good now.> > > > Cut out 99% of your cholesterol intake.> > > > Eliminate the dietary factor.> > > > You don't wnat your arteries cleaned out next! > > > > year...!> > > > Do all the healthy sutff you can.> > > > Tuna and sprouts are great with fat free wheat> > > > bread!> > > > Fat free salad dressing has come along way too.> > > > -sue d.> > > >> > > >> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > > thanks so much cile and gloria!> > > > >> > > > > i just don't think i really need to be taking> > high> > > > > cholesterol meds when it's my thyroid that is> > out> > > > of> > > > > wack and not my cholesterol that is the real> > > > problem.> > > > > wouldn't the thyroid meds be taking care of> > > > lowering> > > > > the cholesterol? It's a lot easier to say I'm> > > > taking> > > > > Vit B3 than to say! I'm taking Lipitor being> > 26, so> > > > I'd> > > > > like to prevent taking the chol meds at all> > costs!> > > > >> > > > > CLS> > > > >> > > > > --- cille_98 wrote:> > > > > > My son is taking niacin for his high> > > > cholesterol,> > > > > > they told him to> > > > > > take an aspirin at bedtime when he takes it> > as> > > > it> > > > > > prevents the> > > > > > itching and the flare.> > > > > >> > > > > > Lucille> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > I think I have asked this before. Has> > anyone> ! > > > here> > > > > > > taken Niacin to lower their cholesterol?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

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Personally, I've come to the conclusion that we are having more health side effects from the 'fake' stuff that we're being fed than the 'bad' stuff.... I'd rather have butter than fake butter.. my body knows what to do with it... I'd rather have real sugar that a fake sweetner... my body knows what to do with it.. no weird confusions or body flushings needed...

....and so much of the fake stuff doesn't have any type of nutritional value.. unless it's got a bunch of added chemicals.. and that's just that much more stuff that our bodies have to sort out and convert into something that is usable....

Topper ()

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:29:01 -0700 "ROBERT LECK" writes:

I always wonder what they put in non-fat products ,,,like say a cake for example ,,, I figure they must use something else to take it's place,, but What??? So I never buy non-fat items ,,, but that is me and my cholesterol is good no mater what I eat ,,,so I have no worrys there ,,, just wish I could get rid of these darn Thyroid Pounds on me ...

BoB

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If you stop and think about it... having a binge a couple of times a month on something that you really adore.. if it keeps you from eating it the rest of the time.. has still got to be WAY healthier for you right?

Kinda like the concept of the ME time stuff... if you know that next week is your 'chow an cake day' you can resist the cake the week in between 'cause you get to have it next week without guilt..

At least that concept works for me..... I make my own baked goodies and have started doing cup cakes that are made with milk and eggs and are really rich and yummy... so I don't need any icing.. I can have one of those and curb the sweet tooth... knowing that the ingredients are all 'pure' and that it's got good protein in from the milk and eggs.. but really tasty without the extra icing....

Just grab one out of the freezer and I'm good to go!

Topper ()

On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:33:44 -0500 " " writes:

Hi

When I still had six children at home, I became very much into label reading. I soon learned over time, that the substitutes for sugar, fat, and the like, were sometimes as bad as, if not worse than those things. Most of the no-fat, or no sugar things I've found, if I read closely enough, have upped thye sodium content severely, or substituted that infamous sugar substitute that we know we're not supposed to have either, as thyroid patients. I've got to admit that, even though I eat a low-fat diet, I do love sweets and carbs. I've just learned to make an appropriate time and place for them, like once a week or so, and I sometimes, though rarely, binge out on them. I always feel bad when I do, to add to everything else. Of course, I know better, but just can't seem to resist at the time. It seems that almost everything we eat, it's darned if you do and darned if you don't.

marin@...

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I agree with you ....my doctor told me that real butter is better for you than anything else....all you have to do is learn to use it in moderation...like peanut butter for a sandwich use only about a tablespoon, ect.

Gloria

topper2@... wrote:

Personally, I've come to the conclusion that we are having more health side effects from the 'fake' stuff that we're being fed than the 'bad' stuff.... I'd rather have butter than fake butter.. my body knows what to do with it... I'd rather have real sugar that a fake sweetner... my body knows what to do with it.. no weird confusions or body flushings needed...

....and so much of the fake stuff doesn't have any type of nutritional value.. unless it's got a bunch of added chemicals.. and that's just that much more stuff that our bodies have to sort out and convert into something that is usable....

Topper ()

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:29:01 -0700 "ROBERT LECK" writes:

I always wonder what they put in non-fat products ,,,like say a cake for example ,,, I figure they must use something else to take it's place,, but What??? So I never buy non-fat items ,,, but that is me and my cholesterol is good no mater what I eat ,,,so I have no worrys there ,,, just wish I could get rid of these darn Thyroid Pounds on me ...

BoB

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I've actually gotten used to having peanut butter sandwiches without butter and not a ton of peanut butter... I think part of it is that I bake my own bread and it tastes better.. I don't to pile stuff on to make it taste good and be filling....

Remember.. we just got another in the group.. time to start calling me Topper or ThyroGeek so we don't get all confused! hehehehehe

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:50:08 -0400 (EDT) gloria benoit writes:

I agree with you ....my doctor told me that real butter is better for you than anything else....all you have to do is learn to use it in moderation...like peanut butter for a sandwich use only about a tablespoon, ect. Gloria

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I eat buter. But if I had a choleterol problem I would cut down or out

the butter. I was afraidof fate free bologna, becaue I thin they might

put platic inteh bologna. But people younger than me are geting their

aertires cleaned outin cath labs. Theon guy sdid used to eat alami

an sstuf that I never could do becaue I could SEEth fat. I jsut eat stuf

wheere I can cut the fat off. it is not "added" liie lalami. HE ate

these Italian subs that are called "regulars" lieik they were nutrtious.

If youare staving they are, but theyhave that poison inthem. Fat is poison.

I also eat sugar. I haVE EATEN THE FAT FREE DOGS AN BOLOGNA ND FIND

I get sick of it after 2 slices. So that is the end of that. I just eat

lean meat now. I need the iron so fish is not the way to go for me.

Itis just as easy to leve thfat and give it to the dog than to eat

the stuff. I do't need bacon that bad, either to risk my life that is wat

itis . Bacon is really bad for you. that fat, unless youare too thin is

not great at all. Once twice a year if you crave it, I guess. I mean

ya gotta enjoy somethng in life. I 'll tell ya what, if sombody is

cooking it, it smells good. If I dont smell, it I dont cracve it. If I

put garlic on a lean porterhouse steak, cut off the obvious fat, I'm good.

And every body attacks my food so my cooking must be ok. It has got to

be lean up to the high 90%'s of lean-ness and I can't see that it's

that bad or extreme..

I drink whole milk, eat sour cream and eggs. I don't eat a whole container

of sour cream in 1 sittting, but I don' t "X" it out. But my cholesterol

is ok right now.

Also I do['t eat a whold pond of butter in a sitting,either. Land o'

lakes margarine is not bad, btww, and it lasts longer in the fridge than

butter. I know it's veggy oil ...

-sue d.

Itopper2@... wrote:

Personally, I've come to the conclusion that

we are having more health side effects from the 'fake' stuff that we're

being fed than the 'bad' stuff.... I'd rather have butter than fake butter..

my body knows what to do with it... I'd rather have real sugar that a fake

sweetner... my body knows what to do with it.. no weird confusions or body

flushings needed... ...and so much of the fake stuff doesn't have

any type of nutritional value.. unless it's got a bunch of added chemicals..

and that's just that much more stuff that our bodies have to sort out and

convert into something that is usable.... Topper () On Tue,

29 Apr 2003 21:29:01 -0700 "ROBERT LECK"

writes:

I

always wonder what they put in non-fat products ,,,like say a cake for

example ,,, I figure they must use something else to take it's place,,

but What??? So I never buy non-fat items ,,, but that is me and my cholesterol

is good no mater what I eat ,,,so I have no worrys there ,,, just wish

I could get rid of these darn Thyroid Pounds on me ... BoB

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I agree with that. I do.

--Sue D.

topper2@... wrote:

If you stop and think about it...

having a binge a couple of times a month on something that you really adore..

if it keeps you from eating it the rest of the time.. has still got to

be WAY healthier for you right? Kinda like the concept of the ME time

stuff... if you know that next week is your 'chow an cake day' you can

resist the cake the week in between 'cause you get to have it next week

without guilt.. At least that concept works for me..... I make my

own baked goodies and have started doing cup cakes that are made with milk

and eggs and are really rich and yummy... so I don't need any icing.. I

can have one of those and curb the sweet tooth... knowing that the ingredients

are all 'pure' and that it's got good protein in from the milk and eggs..

but really tasty without the extra icing.... Just grab one out of

the freezer and I'm good to go! Topper () On Wed, 30 Apr

2003 01:33:44 -0500 " "

writes:

Hi

When I still had six children at

home, I became very much into label reading. I soon learned over

time, that the substitutes for sugar, fat, and the like, were sometimes

as bad as, if not worse than those things. Most of the no-fat, or

no sugar things I've found, if I read closely enough, have upped thye sodium

content severely, or substituted that infamous sugar substitute that we

know we're not supposed to have either, as thyroid patients. I've

got to admit that, even though I eat a low-fat diet, I do love sweets and

carbs. I've just learned to make an appropriate time and place for

them, like once a week or so, and I sometimes, though rarely, binge out

on them. I always feel bad when I do, to add to everything else.

Of course, I know better, but just can't seem to resist at the time.

It seems that almost everything we eat, it's darned if you do and darned

if you don't. marin@...

[Guest guest]

I fully agree that the fake stuff is bad and I will only buy butter and whole milk... But if you want to know more about what we all are being fed without our knowage check out the news on The enfood News Network http://www.nonsanto.com/ ... I had to throw away a can of spray canola oil after finding out that it was all Genecticly Modifided ,,,(I then bought a can of Organic Canola Oil) ... But the GM food is in many products you buy and you don't know it... ( Be Well BoB Re: Re: young for meds I agree with you ....my doctor told me that real butter is better for you than anything else....all you have to do is learn to use it in moderation...like peanut butter for a sandwich use only about a tablespoon, ect. Gloria topper2@... wrote: Personally, I've come to the conclusion that we are having more health side effects from the 'fake' stuff that we're being fed than the 'bad' stuff.... I'd rather have butter than fake butter.. my body knows what to do with it... I'd rather have real sugar that a fake sweetner... my body knows what to do with it.. no weird confusions or body flushings needed... ...and so much of the fake stuff doesn't have any type of nutritional value.. unless it's got a bunch of added chemicals.. and that's just that much more stuff that our bodies have to sort out and convert into something that is usable.... Topper () On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:29:01 -0700 "ROBERT LECK" writes: I always wonder what they put in non-fat products ,,,like say a cake for example ,,, I figure they must use something else to take it's place,, but What??? So I never buy non-fat items ,,, but that is me and my cholesterol is good no mater what I eat ,,,so I have no worrys there ,,, just wish I could get rid of these darn Thyroid Pounds on me ... BoB

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That's really scarry stuff.. it's like we're being fed poison.. literally and we don't know it....

Topper ()

On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:30:27 -0700 "ROBERT LECK" writes:

I fully agree that the fake stuff is bad and I will only buy butter and whole milk... But if you want to know more about what we all are being fed without our knowage check out the news on The enfood News Network http://www.nonsanto.com/ ... I had to throw away a can of spray canola oil after finding out that it was all Genecticly Modifided ,,,(I then bought a can of Organic Canola Oil) ... But the GM food is in many products you buy and you don't know it... (

Be Well

BoB

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There is very nasty stuff in our regular food.

Even bugs. Yuck.

I just don't like open heart surgery, either.

I don't eat fake stuff. I just eat lean stuff.

Does that make sense?

The less bacon I eat, the less I want it.

If had to choose between inorganic meat fat and a chiemical,

I might choose the chemical.

Meat is shot up with hormones and anitbiiotics,

and the beasts are fed insteticides

and you and you name it. Ya know?

Nobody has to eat fake anything.

Just not eat the part of the animal

that stores extra hormones, toxins

and clogs you.

The FAT.

It is really simple.

Eat organic and no fat (low fat).

"Natural" does not make something "safe".

Arsenic is "natural" and so are the"twisters" in Oklahoma.

I don't think that mercury or chlorine are from outer space, either.

On the other hand, chlorine sure beats "cholera".

Fat won't kill you right away.

But too much of anything will kill you.

I ain't drinking chlorine today, ya know?

That is why we have brains.

There is "no blanket answer."

We do have to use our brains.

-sue d.

ROBERT LECK wrote:

I

fully agree that the fake stuff is bad and I will only buy butter and whole

milk... But if you want to know more about what we all are being fed without

our knowage check out the news on The enfood News Network http://www.nonsanto.com/

.... I had to throw away a can of spray canola oil after finding out that

it was all Genecticly Modifided ,,,(I then bought a can of Organic Canola

Oil) ... But the GM food is in many products you buy and you don't

know it... ( Be

WellBoB

Re:

Re: young for meds

I agree with you ....my doctor told me that real butter is better

for you than anything else....all you have to do is learn to use it in

moderation...like peanut butter for a sandwich use only about a tablespoon,

ect.

Gloria

topper2@... wrote:

Personally,

I've come to the conclusion that we are having more health side effects

from the 'fake' stuff that we're being fed than the 'bad' stuff.... I'd

rather have butter than fake butter.. my body knows what to do with it...

I'd rather have real sugar that a fake sweetner... my body knows what to

do with it.. no weird confusions or body flushings needed... ...and so

much of the fake stuff doesn't have any type of nutritional value.. unless

it's got a bunch of added chemicals.. and that's just that much more stuff

that our bodies have to sort out and convert into something that is usable....

Topper () On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:29:01 -0700 "ROBERT LECK"

writes:

I

always wonder what they put in non-fat products ,,,like say a cake for

example ,,, I figure they must use something else to take it's place,,

but What??? So I never buy non-fat items ,,, but that is me and my cholesterol

is good no mater what I eat ,,,so I have no worrys there ,,, just wish

I could get rid of these darn Thyroid Pounds on me ...BoB