Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 > > I wanted to check in here with you all and tell you that I've just > returned from The School in LA. It was a million years of powerful > movement within my being - too much movement to articulate. But I am > now just ecstatic. Pure peace. I'm wanting to maintain the deeply > intimate relationship with Inquiry that was created, there. I am so > glad this group is here for support. > > > ~ > Sure Tell us how you really feel 1 month from today Especially, tell us about your relationship with your spouse, parents, children, boss, subordinates and tell us in what way and " how much " it has changed! Then, when you feel 'kind' enough; please share with us your " real " opinion of W. Bush, Osama Bin laden, Hillary Clinton, Israel, palestine, poverty, terrorism, unemployment, slavery, spousal abuse, MONEY, stock market, 'future of America', tax break fo rich, control of " special groups " on American politics too! Bottomline, in my experience, it is relatively *very easy* to feel calm, paeceful, joyous in any 'controlled' environment where " real life " situations are somehwat quite 'limited'! Many people feel that way simply when they take a Wlak in Nature, or, when they take 2 weeks Vacatation, or a trip to Honolulu, or whn they attend a 2 week ANY retreat! Yet, as soon as they RETURN - they find themselves again 'returning' to SAME old 'pattern', same old 'thinking' and pretty much same old 'problems'! They still get HURT - when someone insults them. They still feel fearful, stressed when they are 'reminded' of 'money', 'job', 'morgage' and 'future'! And, pretty soon they find that they are still pretty much SAME 'person'! Therefore, I am really interested in finding out what 'changes' you notice in yourself, 1-3 months from today! I kind of found truth in the saying: - More things change; more they stay the SAME! And, please don't take what I say as a 'discouragement' or 'criticism' - that is Certaily Not my Intention! My Intention if any - is ONLY a keen Awareness of what you do and especially what you do when things and situations don't seem that 'friendly'! That is where I have seen many of the *retreat* " reurnees " as well as " teachers " Fail! Regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Oh, you ask the most excellent questions, adithya comming! I really look forward to answering them in one month. I, too, am curious to experiment with the long-term effects of The School. I can tell you this: I came home and right away was triggered by the familiar issues from before my trip. I've been doing The Work on them all day, so far, and finding peace once again! The only conflict I can see is the TIME situation - having enough time to do The Work on all the triggers can quickly become an issue for me in my busy life. But one of the things I've found through doing The Work is that I can eliminate a lot of the things I do each day simply by questioning their relevance to my integrity. It is a process of continual refining and honing so as to prioritize and eliminate anthing that is not absolutely essential in my personal value system so as to make as much room as I possibly can to practice The Work. ~ > > > > I wanted to check in here with you all and tell you that I've just > > returned from The School in LA. It was a million years of powerful > > movement within my being - too much movement to articulate. But I am > > now just ecstatic. Pure peace. I'm wanting to maintain the deeply > > intimate relationship with Inquiry that was created, there. I am so > > glad this group is here for support. > > > > > > ~ > > > > Sure > > Tell us how you really feel 1 month > from today Especially, tell us about > your relationship with your spouse, parents, > children, boss, subordinates and tell us in > what way and " how much " it has changed! > > Then, when you feel 'kind' enough; please share > with us your " real " opinion of W. Bush, > Osama Bin laden, Hillary Clinton, Israel, > palestine, poverty, terrorism, unemployment, > slavery, spousal abuse, MONEY, stock market, > 'future of America', tax break fo rich, > control of " special groups " on American > politics too! > > > Bottomline, in my experience, it is relatively > *very easy* to feel calm, paeceful, joyous in > any 'controlled' environment where " real life " > situations are somehwat quite 'limited'! > > Many people feel that way simply when they > take a Wlak in Nature, or, when they take > 2 weeks Vacatation, or a trip to Honolulu, > or whn they attend a 2 week ANY retreat! Yet, > as soon as they RETURN - they find themselves > again 'returning' to SAME old 'pattern', > same old 'thinking' and pretty much same old > 'problems'! They still get HURT - when someone > insults them. They still feel fearful, stressed > when they are 'reminded' of 'money', 'job', > 'morgage' and 'future'! And, pretty soon they > find that they are still pretty much SAME > 'person'! > > Therefore, I am really interested in finding out > what 'changes' you notice in yourself, 1-3 months > from today! > > I kind of found truth in the saying: > > - More things change; more they stay the > SAME! > > And, please don't take what I say as > a 'discouragement' or 'criticism' - > that is Certaily Not my Intention! > > My Intention if any - is ONLY a keen > Awareness of what you do and especially > what you do when things and situations don't > seem that 'friendly'! That is where I have > seen many of the *retreat* " reurnees " as well as > " teachers " Fail! > > > Regards, > ac. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Dear , good you found some peace! :-) > The only conflict I can see is the TIME situation - having enough > time to do The Work on all the triggers can quickly become an issue > for me in my busy life. Is that true? eg. have you done the work on time? Love, ___________________________________________________________ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Sweetheart, you won't find peace in others. You will only find it in yourself. And try to find it here and now. When you did find it here and now, *then* go to all the other places you did not find peace, yet. If you still care. Love, Am 30.10.2006 um 20:35 schrieb adithya_comming: > >> >> I wanted to check in here with you all and tell you that I've just >> returned from The School in LA. It was a million years of powerful >> movement within my being - too much movement to articulate. But I am >> now just ecstatic. Pure peace. I'm wanting to maintain the deeply >> intimate relationship with Inquiry that was created, there. I am so >> glad this group is here for support. >> >> >> ~ >> > > Sure > > Tell us how you really feel 1 month > from today Especially, tell us about > your relationship with your spouse, parents, > children, boss, subordinates and tell us in > what way and " how much " it has changed! > > Then, when you feel 'kind' enough; please share > with us your " real " opinion of W. Bush, > Osama Bin laden, Hillary Clinton, Israel, > palestine, poverty, terrorism, unemployment, > slavery, spousal abuse, MONEY, stock market, > 'future of America', tax break fo rich, > control of " special groups " on American > politics too! > > > Bottomline, in my experience, it is relatively > *very easy* to feel calm, paeceful, joyous in > any 'controlled' environment where " real life " > situations are somehwat quite 'limited'! > > Many people feel that way simply when they > take a Wlak in Nature, or, when they take > 2 weeks Vacatation, or a trip to Honolulu, > or whn they attend a 2 week ANY retreat! Yet, > as soon as they RETURN - they find themselves > again 'returning' to SAME old 'pattern', > same old 'thinking' and pretty much same old > 'problems'! They still get HURT - when someone > insults them. They still feel fearful, stressed > when they are 'reminded' of 'money', 'job', > 'morgage' and 'future'! And, pretty soon they > find that they are still pretty much SAME > 'person'! > > Therefore, I am really interested in finding out > what 'changes' you notice in yourself, 1-3 months > from today! > > I kind of found truth in the saying: > > - More things change; more they stay the > SAME! > > And, please don't take what I say as > a 'discouragement' or 'criticism' - > that is Certaily Not my Intention! > > My Intention if any - is ONLY a keen > Awareness of what you do and especially > what you do when things and situations don't > seem that 'friendly'! That is where I have > seen many of the *retreat* " reurnees " as well as > " teachers " Fail! > > > Regards, > ac. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 > > Sweetheart, you won't find peace in others. > > You will only find it in yourself. Is that true? I have read the above statement in " spiritual " texts many times! Yet, it is true that I have many times found love, kindness, beauty, peace and many other things in *others*! > > And try to find it here and now. Yes. I did it. > When you did find it here and now, > *then* go to all the other places you did not find peace, yet. I did and I " found out " [ " guessed " ] that when 'pressed' [challenged] hard enough, I would still lose my peace in many of those scenarios! i.e. press my many 'triggers' and see me lose my 'paece'! If one doesn't work, try other trigger. If first time it doesn't work, try again! And, I have seen yes, when my 'triggers' are pressed I do lose my peace! What about you, ? Do you have any 'trigger' that you know of? > If you still care. Yes, I do care! > > Love, > Love, ac. [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Hmmm... that's a good idea - to do The Work on time itself. Hadn't thought of that yet. I'll definitely add that to my list of Things To Do The Work On. I notice that my Work sessions are really deep and slow-moving. Like, it often takes me between 30-45 minutes to work through an issue. AND, I also notice that I work through at least 40% of an issue each time, too. So it's so worth the time it takes! I'm a little confused to read your comment about finding peace in others. Was that for AC? Because I did not mention anything about finding peace in others. In fact, right now, the peace I find in (very triggering) others such as GW, Osama BL, etc. is that I am clear on the fact that they innocently believe their thoughts so why wouldn't they do what they do? ~ > > Dear , > > good you found some peace! :-) > > > The only conflict I can see is the TIME situation - having enough > > time to do The Work on all the triggers can quickly become an issue > > for me in my busy life. > Is that true? > > eg. have you done the work on time? > > Love, > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 > I am so > glad this group is here for support. Ditto. I met so many people and didn't write down their names. I am hoping that BKI will let us know how we can get copies of the group photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 >> Sweetheart, you won't find peace in others. >> >> You will only find it in yourself. > > Is that true? > > I have read the above statement in " spiritual " > texts many times! > > Yet, it is true that I have many times found love, kindness, > beauty, peace and many other things in *others*! I don't know. Find out. >> And try to find it here and now. > Yes. I did it. >> When you did find it here and now, >> *then* go to all the other places you did not find peace, yet. > I did and I " found out " [ " guessed " ] that > when 'pressed' [challenged] hard enough, > I would still lose my peace in many of > those scenarios! Oh, well. Who cares for eternal peace? I want peace now. And now. And now. And... now I'd rather be right. 'I had found peace'... is over. What about now? And how do I feel in the moment I project that I'll loose my peace? Don't you notice it's gone before the " trigger " even exists? " I " cost me my peace. Always. That's my privilege. There's no such thing as an " outside " trigger that " knocks " me out of peace. > i.e. press my many 'triggers' and see me > lose my 'paece'! If one doesn't work, > try other trigger. If first time it doesn't > work, try again! And, I have seen yes, when > my 'triggers' are pressed I do lose my > peace! So, " someone " shows you what's left. When I " loose peace " I know it's a sign that *I* want to distort reality. That's all. Every 'pain' (or 'stress' or whatever you want to name it) is an opportunity to undo what's left. > What about you, ? > > Do you have any 'trigger' that you know of? No. And that doesn't mean I'm always at peace. But I don't know when or what I'll use as justification to not be in peace, next time. And I care for your peace only when that also means my own peace. E.g. when you are the story that's left of me. Love, ___________________________________________________________ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Oh, that's nice, . And that is certainly a bummer to come home to the worst that could possibly happen - a stressful thought! Grr! The stories started rolling in my mind, too, about how the effects of The School seemed to be so unstable - even disappear altogether sometimes. I was going to suggest to you what I have been doing - which is what you wrote further down. I'm doing The Work on each little trigger, writing the ones I don't have time to get to right away on The List for later. Each time I do The Work on one of these issues, I find myself feeling peaceful again - just like you described with your breakfast scenario. Also, I'm noticing that I actually feel excited when I'm triggered sometimes because of that wonderful opportunity it gives to find and Work through the unfinished business. We don't have to SEARCH for it - IT finds US. How utterly marvelous! Using What Is sounds really neat and I've heard of it before. Must check it out. I also find that sitting in meditation with my eyes closed allows for competent Work sessions, as well, because I've got all the questions and subquestions memorized. It feels as if I am being both facilitator and client simultaneously. Love, > > Do you recall the session where we wrote down our most feared thoughts > about what we would find when we got home? I wrote a lot of things > that could have happened, but none of them really fearful for me (a > great deal of inconvenience to me and others perhaps, but nothing that > couldn't be worked out in time). And then on the way home it seemed > that the worst thing that could happen was starting to happen - I was > getting angry at inconsequential things. > > So that's the worst thing that could happen to me - that the time and > money I spent on The Work and the 9 day class would be for nothing. > > Not that I couldn't take the class over again, but who really wants to > think that such a large investment on self would have to be done over > and over again? > > Okay, it's worth it to do The Work, but in my mind, only if it > " sticks " for longer than a day, and hopefully it would stick for more > than a week, a month, and preferrably for more than a year at a time. > A lifetime would really be great! > > So when I got home, I did a little research on the web and found > " Using What Is " , a neat little program that lets me do The Work on my > PC instead of on paper. That makes it a bit simpler because I like > typing more than I like writing, and I don't like wasting paper. > Another way to do it on my PC is to create a template in Word and fill > in the blanks, but really, Using What Is is far more interactive. Now > I have a tool for getting me back into the program on a daily basis, > and if that's what it takes until the glue sets, I'll do it. > > It really does help to bring my thoughts back to Loving What Is, and I > don't mean the book by . This concept is internal. It lives as > long as I keep my attention on it (not my thoughts - they wander > around much too aimlessly). And my attention can be jerked away from > Love quite easily. > > Take this morning as an example. I was fixing a waffle (I like to > spread almond butter and yogurt on the waffle, then pour maple syrup > over that). The cap on the syrup bottle was glued tight. In the battle > to get the cap off, my waffle fell on the floor, yogurt side down, but > not before it smeared yogurt all over my brand new " The Work " sweat shirt. > > Now wouldn't that bring you back to your old thoughts about who does > what to whom and how bad things can get when something goes wrong? And > who's fault is it anyway? Not mine, say my thoughts. (I am angry at > Jacqui for not wiping the syrup off the bottle before putting the cap > back on. Jacqui should wipe the syrup off the bottle before putting > the cap back on. Etc., etc., etc.) > > Immediately after I let out my angry thoughts and expletives, I > realized what I had done. Loving thoughts flowed back in. Gentle > thoughts. Forgiving thoughts. I mentally embraced myself and set to > the task of cleaning me and the floor up. I then had a nice, quiet, > and peaceful breakfast. > > Loving what is - and isn't. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 Thank you, , for this lovely reminder. Picturing all the yoghurt on the shirt, the waffle on the floor and me with the syrup bottle in hand, gave me a good laughter! And I can totally relate to that " old thoughts " -part! I'd like to forward your post to Moritz Boerner who actually wrote that computer program you use to support you in the work. In case he missed it. Love, Am 31.10.2006 um 18:28 schrieb : > Do you recall the session where we wrote down our most feared thoughts > about what we would find when we got home? I wrote a lot of things > that could have happened, but none of them really fearful for me (a > great deal of inconvenience to me and others perhaps, but nothing that > couldn't be worked out in time). And then on the way home it seemed > that the worst thing that could happen was starting to happen - I was > getting angry at inconsequential things. > > So that's the worst thing that could happen to me - that the time and > money I spent on The Work and the 9 day class would be for nothing. > > Not that I couldn't take the class over again, but who really wants to > think that such a large investment on self would have to be done over > and over again? > > Okay, it's worth it to do The Work, but in my mind, only if it > " sticks " for longer than a day, and hopefully it would stick for more > than a week, a month, and preferrably for more than a year at a time. > A lifetime would really be great! > > So when I got home, I did a little research on the web and found > " Using What Is " , a neat little program that lets me do The Work on my > PC instead of on paper. That makes it a bit simpler because I like > typing more than I like writing, and I don't like wasting paper. > Another way to do it on my PC is to create a template in Word and fill > in the blanks, but really, Using What Is is far more interactive. Now > I have a tool for getting me back into the program on a daily basis, > and if that's what it takes until the glue sets, I'll do it. > > It really does help to bring my thoughts back to Loving What Is, and I > don't mean the book by . This concept is internal. It lives as > long as I keep my attention on it (not my thoughts - they wander > around much too aimlessly). And my attention can be jerked away from > Love quite easily. > > Take this morning as an example. I was fixing a waffle (I like to > spread almond butter and yogurt on the waffle, then pour maple syrup > over that). The cap on the syrup bottle was glued tight. In the battle > to get the cap off, my waffle fell on the floor, yogurt side down, but > not before it smeared yogurt all over my brand new " The Work " sweat > shirt. > > Now wouldn't that bring you back to your old thoughts about who does > what to whom and how bad things can get when something goes wrong? And > who's fault is it anyway? Not mine, say my thoughts. (I am angry at > Jacqui for not wiping the syrup off the bottle before putting the cap > back on. Jacqui should wipe the syrup off the bottle before putting > the cap back on. Etc., etc., etc.) > > Immediately after I let out my angry thoughts and expletives, I > realized what I had done. Loving thoughts flowed back in. Gentle > thoughts. Forgiving thoughts. I mentally embraced myself and set to > the task of cleaning me and the floor up. I then had a nice, quiet, > and peaceful breakfast. > > Loving what is - and isn't. ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 > > I am so > > glad this group is here for support. > > Ditto. > > I met so many people and didn't write down their names. I am hoping > that BKI will let us know how we can get copies of the group photo. > Hi and Jen, If you guys get ahold of a list of contacts of folks from the school I'd love to have one. There are a few folks who's face cross my mind so much I'd love to be able to speak with them again. Cheers, glo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Hello , and Glo. It is P, just catching up on his lost time on the computer. Is it true? It was a great school! , as you know, the decision is already made, now you might remember me! Glo, I will always remember your spirit of enthusiam and joy. I am feeling as if life is not the same, my stress of going through a divorce and feelings of insecurity are sure not feeling the same. There are still thoughts and I can find that they still invade my presence. I have enjoyed my after care experience with all my fellow school participants. Thank you to all of you for being such a beautiful reflection of the love and joy we/I produce. I am open to further sharings and facilitations. And Tami, the school is not a waste of money, and I still love you/me! > > > I am so > > > glad this group is here for support. > > > > Ditto. > > > > I met so many people and didn't write down their names. I am hoping > > that BKI will let us know how we can get copies of the group photo. > > > Hi and Jen, > If you guys get ahold of a list of contacts of folks from the school > I'd love to have one. There are a few folks who's face cross my mind > so much I'd love to be able to speak with them again. Cheers, > glo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Hello, Soft Eyes and Glo! So glad to see you here, friends! Do you all know about the Yahoo group specifically created for our class? If you email me, I will hook you up. vitalharvest@... Love~ > > > > I am so > > > > glad this group is here for support. > > > > > > Ditto. > > > > > > I met so many people and didn't write down their names. I am > hoping > > > that BKI will let us know how we can get copies of the group > photo. > > > > > Hi and Jen, > > If you guys get ahold of a list of contacts of folks from the > school > > I'd love to have one. There are a few folks who's face cross my > mind > > so much I'd love to be able to speak with them again. Cheers, > > glo > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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