Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Right at this moment I kinda see Elle like Vick. Though she didn't see first hand our fight, she did set it up. Your feedback or insights into this are welcome. [FCB] What I hear is that she set up you and he being in the same car together, but I don't see that she set up the fight. If the two of you had responded to the situation differently you would be reporting that she set up the healing conversation that occurred, but that wouldn't be accurate either. She set up the two of you being in a car together, what you did with the time was your own. frank __._, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 When I read this, the thought came to me that God/Reality is like Vick, that for It's own... amusement?... put us violent creatures together. Wonder who It's betting on... Hypegia P.S. I kinda resent God/Reality still for putting me in this position at times with my particular challenges. I believe that's the same resentment I can feel for a man like Vick. The arrogance, the lack of sensitivity, the selfishness... And somewhere down a road of four questions and few u-turns I'll eventually find that all in me... Weird. > > I once went to a weekend retreat with a spiritual mentor, Elle was > her name. > > There was one guy there I seemed to butt heads with, seems like > everytime he said something, I felt tension inside, and wondered why > he was so dumb to see things that way, and why was he even with us > who were somewhat advanced spiritually? (hahahaha) > > At the end of the retreat, Elle was going to give a talk in a town a > few hours away and invited us to join her. I didn't have to get > back for anything, so I jumped at the chance as did some others. > > There were two cars going, Elle's and this guys. I enjoyed being > around Elle and her enlightened way of seeing things, so I eagerly > headed for her car. > > But Elle said, 'no , you ride with __________ (can't recall his > name). shit, I so did NOT want to do that. It was gonna be only him > and me for about a 3 hour drive! nooooooooooooooooo > > But it felt like it was too late to change plans, so I reluctantly > got into his car. During the previous weekend workshop,he'd seemed > to have the same problem with me as I of him. Both of us arguing > with what the other said. > > So there we were, sitting about 2 feet apart. He started to make > conversation, and I don't recall what he said, but right away I felt > antagonism for his viewpoint. I tried to hold my tongue, but > eventually spoke up, and we began arguing. > > After a bit of this, I said 'I'm tired, I'm gonna take a nap,' and I > just shut my eyes, and tried to shut myself out of being in this > vehicle with this guy for the next few hours. > > We got to wherever Elle was gonna talk, I don't recall anything > about that, then as we were loading up to return, and I headed for > his car, Elle said ', you ride with us this time.' Gladly I did, > and enjoyed the ride very much. > > I had a phone session with her soon afterwards, and shared how > unpleasant it had been riding with him. She said 'I knew it'd be > that way, and that's why I had you ride with him.' I can't recall > anymore of what we discussed about it (this was about 8 years ago) > > I still don't feel good when I remember riding with him, but I did > survive it. Perhaps knowing I can survive such a thing has some > value. > > Right at this moment I kinda see Elle like Vick. Though she > didn't see first hand our fight, she did set it up. > > Your feedback or insights into this are welcome. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 And, this gave birth to another new thought... What if the dogs just never fought? If it wasn't in their nature? If they released them to attack each other and they didn't give a damn... It doesn't surprise me that a football player, conditioned in fierce competition (and not much else) would find joy in such competitive violence. Vick, too, is a (human) animal upon which bets are placed. His livelihood is won and lost in the field. If he is injured, he is worthless. Hmmm... Somehow, this gives me more compassion for him. He is propagating his own life through animals. Animals... What fucking generous natures they provide for us that we can live out our mental issues through them... Maybe this is why it really bothers many at a deeper level. We condone human violence on the field. We say it's ok because it's consensual. Well. Those dogs fighting in the ring... It's consensual between them, they don't realize that the humans put them together on purpose exploiting their violence. Wow... I'm gonna stop now with this mind bender. Somebody else, please take it from here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 > P.S. I kinda resent God/Reality still for putting me in this position > at times with my particular challenges. > I believe that's the same > resentment I can feel for a man like Vick. The arrogance, the > lack of sensitivity, the selfishness... And somewhere down a road of > four questions and few u-turns I'll eventually find that all in me... > Weird. Well, look what it takes you to get to know the truth. Love, > >> >> I once went to a weekend retreat with a spiritual mentor, Elle was >> her name. >> >> There was one guy there I seemed to butt heads with, seems like >> everytime he said something, I felt tension inside, and wondered why >> he was so dumb to see things that way, and why was he even with us >> who were somewhat advanced spiritually? (hahahaha) >> >> At the end of the retreat, Elle was going to give a talk in a town a >> few hours away and invited us to join her. I didn't have to get >> back for anything, so I jumped at the chance as did some others. >> >> There were two cars going, Elle's and this guys. I enjoyed being >> around Elle and her enlightened way of seeing things, so I eagerly >> headed for her car. >> >> But Elle said, 'no , you ride with __________ (can't recall his >> name). shit, I so did NOT want to do that. It was gonna be only him >> and me for about a 3 hour drive! nooooooooooooooooo >> >> But it felt like it was too late to change plans, so I reluctantly >> got into his car. During the previous weekend workshop,he'd seemed >> to have the same problem with me as I of him. Both of us arguing >> with what the other said. >> >> So there we were, sitting about 2 feet apart. He started to make >> conversation, and I don't recall what he said, but right away I felt >> antagonism for his viewpoint. I tried to hold my tongue, but >> eventually spoke up, and we began arguing. >> >> After a bit of this, I said 'I'm tired, I'm gonna take a nap,' and I >> just shut my eyes, and tried to shut myself out of being in this >> vehicle with this guy for the next few hours. >> >> We got to wherever Elle was gonna talk, I don't recall anything >> about that, then as we were loading up to return, and I headed for >> his car, Elle said ', you ride with us this time.' Gladly I did, >> and enjoyed the ride very much. >> >> I had a phone session with her soon afterwards, and shared how >> unpleasant it had been riding with him. She said 'I knew it'd be >> that way, and that's why I had you ride with him.' I can't recall >> anymore of what we discussed about it (this was about 8 years ago) >> >> I still don't feel good when I remember riding with him, but I did >> survive it. Perhaps knowing I can survive such a thing has some >> value. >> >> Right at this moment I kinda see Elle like Vick. Though she >> didn't see first hand our fight, she did set it up. >> >> Your feedback or insights into this are welcome. >> >> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 > Well, look what it takes you to get to know the truth. > > Love, > > Hey, ! Nice to see you on at the same time. My mind is twisting and turning in all directions these past few days. Keep following thoughts and they just lead ya spiraling down an endless story... Sometimes, I just want to rest in the space between the pages of my thoughts. Other times, I'm completely enraptured by the tale being lived out on those pages... The book of life is interesting to say the least... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 this reminds me of katie saying you can learn more from an enemy than from a friend.. because an enemy will be more honest.. and a friend will just agree with your story. at least i think thats what she meant. and also to be able to take criticism.. one of the caregivers said another one complained about me.. i was sort of mad.. and said well if she doesnt like the way i do things maybe i will move somewhere else. i guess that was not very evolved.. and immature i was sort of angry about it..and then she sort of backed down.. but then i let it go.. i complain and the girl who complained about me.. also complained about the girl who told me she complained about me.. time will tell how long im there and it isnt up to me. This would of bothered me more in the past. love your enemies. if you can love them you can love everyone. I dont consider that girl who complained an enemy. anyway.. i wouldnt want to ride long distances with someone i dont like.. thats for sure. im not ready forit.. guess i have to like myself. first. i think now you couldve handled that guy better. rh - - In Loving-what-is , " " wrote: > > I once went to a weekend retreat with a spiritual mentor, Elle was > her name. > > There was one guy there I seemed to butt heads with, seems like > everytime he said something, I felt tension inside, and wondered why > he was so dumb to see things that way, and why was he even with us > who were somewhat advanced spiritually? (hahahaha) > > At the end of the retreat, Elle was going to give a talk in a town a > few hours away and invited us to join her. I didn't have to get > back for anything, so I jumped at the chance as did some others. > > There were two cars going, Elle's and this guys. I enjoyed being > around Elle and her enlightened way of seeing things, so I eagerly > headed for her car. > > But Elle said, 'no , you ride with __________ (can't recall his > name). shit, I so did NOT want to do that. It was gonna be only him > and me for about a 3 hour drive! nooooooooooooooooo > > But it felt like it was too late to change plans, so I reluctantly > got into his car. During the previous weekend workshop,he'd seemed > to have the same problem with me as I of him. Both of us arguing > with what the other said. > > So there we were, sitting about 2 feet apart. He started to make > conversation, and I don't recall what he said, but right away I felt > antagonism for his viewpoint. I tried to hold my tongue, but > eventually spoke up, and we began arguing. > > After a bit of this, I said 'I'm tired, I'm gonna take a nap,' and I > just shut my eyes, and tried to shut myself out of being in this > vehicle with this guy for the next few hours. > > We got to wherever Elle was gonna talk, I don't recall anything > about that, then as we were loading up to return, and I headed for > his car, Elle said ', you ride with us this time.' Gladly I did, > and enjoyed the ride very much. > > I had a phone session with her soon afterwards, and shared how > unpleasant it had been riding with him. She said 'I knew it'd be > that way, and that's why I had you ride with him.' I can't recall > anymore of what we discussed about it (this was about 8 years ago) > > I still don't feel good when I remember riding with him, but I did > survive it. Perhaps knowing I can survive such a thing has some > value. > > Right at this moment I kinda see Elle like Vick. Though she > didn't see first hand our fight, she did set it up. > > Your feedback or insights into this are welcome. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 according to the voice for love.. book this dream world is our play and God has nothing to do with it.. well except we can go within and hear gods direction.. but anyway i just dont get how it all works except the outer is the illusion.. .. i wonder still how much power our words and affirmations have on our world.. as i talked about my husband may have cancer and i have friends who think i will cause him to have it by saying it.. ive said lots of things that havent come true.. rh -- In Loving-what-is , " Hypegia Phoebe " wrote: > > When I read this, the thought came to me that God/Reality is like > Vick, that for It's own... amusement?... put us violent > creatures together. > > Wonder who It's betting on... > > Hypegia > > P.S. I kinda resent God/Reality still for putting me in this position > at times with my particular challenges. I believe that's the same > resentment I can feel for a man like Vick. The arrogance, the > lack of sensitivity, the selfishness... And somewhere down a road of > four questions and few u-turns I'll eventually find that all in me... > Weird. > > > > > > I once went to a weekend retreat with a spiritual mentor, Elle was > > her name. > > > > There was one guy there I seemed to butt heads with, seems like > > everytime he said something, I felt tension inside, and wondered why > > he was so dumb to see things that way, and why was he even with us > > who were somewhat advanced spiritually? (hahahaha) > > > > At the end of the retreat, Elle was going to give a talk in a town a > > few hours away and invited us to join her. I didn't have to get > > back for anything, so I jumped at the chance as did some others. > > > > There were two cars going, Elle's and this guys. I enjoyed being > > around Elle and her enlightened way of seeing things, so I eagerly > > headed for her car. > > > > But Elle said, 'no , you ride with __________ (can't recall his > > name). shit, I so did NOT want to do that. It was gonna be only him > > and me for about a 3 hour drive! nooooooooooooooooo > > > > But it felt like it was too late to change plans, so I reluctantly > > got into his car. During the previous weekend workshop,he'd seemed > > to have the same problem with me as I of him. Both of us arguing > > with what the other said. > > > > So there we were, sitting about 2 feet apart. He started to make > > conversation, and I don't recall what he said, but right away I felt > > antagonism for his viewpoint. I tried to hold my tongue, but > > eventually spoke up, and we began arguing. > > > > After a bit of this, I said 'I'm tired, I'm gonna take a nap,' and I > > just shut my eyes, and tried to shut myself out of being in this > > vehicle with this guy for the next few hours. > > > > We got to wherever Elle was gonna talk, I don't recall anything > > about that, then as we were loading up to return, and I headed for > > his car, Elle said ', you ride with us this time.' Gladly I did, > > and enjoyed the ride very much. > > > > I had a phone session with her soon afterwards, and shared how > > unpleasant it had been riding with him. She said 'I knew it'd be > > that way, and that's why I had you ride with him.' I can't recall > > anymore of what we discussed about it (this was about 8 years ago) > > > > I still don't feel good when I remember riding with him, but I did > > survive it. Perhaps knowing I can survive such a thing has some > > value. > > > > Right at this moment I kinda see Elle like Vick. Though she > > didn't see first hand our fight, she did set it up. > > > > Your feedback or insights into this are welcome. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 a teacher of mine flo.. once said one could go to violent movies to get out anger.. or sad movies to express grief my son went to a bull fight and hated it..i suppose thats similar to dog fights.. though the bull hasnt a chance. and it isnt by consent. I guess vick released anger by watching the dogs.. and maybe inspiration.. or would that just create more anger. better than killing other people.. - And animals do have to kill in the wild to eat.. rh -- In Loving-what-is , " Hypegia Phoebe " wrote: > > And, this gave birth to another new thought... > > What if the dogs just never fought? If it wasn't in their nature? If > they released them to attack each other and they didn't give a damn... > > It doesn't surprise me that a football player, conditioned in fierce > competition (and not much else) would find joy in such competitive > violence. Vick, too, is a (human) animal upon which bets are placed. > His livelihood is won and lost in the field. If he is injured, he is > worthless. > > Hmmm... Somehow, this gives me more compassion for him. He is > propagating his own life through animals. Animals... What fucking > generous natures they provide for us that we can live out our mental > issues through them... > > Maybe this is why it really bothers many at a deeper level. We condone > human violence on the field. We say it's ok because it's consensual. > Well. Those dogs fighting in the ring... It's consensual between them, > they don't realize that the humans put them together on purpose > exploiting their violence. > > Wow... > > I'm gonna stop now with this mind bender. Somebody else, please take > it from here... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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