Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 , Have you ever hated someone in your life? Yes? No? And when you where hating (assume you have, after all you are human, right?) Could you not hate, at that moment? We all hate, sometimes And love sometimes Right? So, he should hate less that how much he does? J, welcome back T -- hate my brother shouldn't hate. 1. it's not true that he shouldn't. apparently he does. that's the reality. 2. i can't know that he shouldn't hate. i just wish he didn't. 3. i don't want to be around him. i want to 'correct' him by showing how i don't hate *whoever or whatever* he's hating. i try to get him to stop blaming everyone around him for his unhappiness. get him to let go of all the grudges he holds. i also tiptoe around him so as not to upset or ignite his anger. 4. at the very least i could just listen to him w/out wanting to interrupt and 'set him straight' every two seconds. i don't see how i could ever " love " it though. TA's my brother should hate. maybe so. he is full of it, after all. maybe it's his job to hate, hate, hate and blame, blame, blame. i shouldn't hate. i shouldn't hate his hate. i should love his hate. hm. this feels like making myself wrong, and is not comfortable. i should love. i should love him as he is. yes, this would be more peaceful. i have a serious question... is there anyone here who had a very hard time getting the work, to find that it was helpful to them later on? i keep coming back to it, but it always feels like a disappointment to me. a lot of the time i actually feel worse afterward, which makes me feel scared to look into other painful thoughts. i don't think that's how it's supposed to be. is anyone willing to help me with this? it's really upsetting to me to see this helps so many people see that life is actually good, but not me. maybe i should do a work on my anger at the work. thanks, jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 okay, i'm confused...don't believe the claims? anyway, thanks. jeremy In a message dated 10/23/2006 6:20:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adithya_comming@... writes: [...] >> it's really upsetting to me to see this helps so many people see that life is actually good, but not me. maybe i should do a work on my anger at the work. > > thanks, > jeremy Hi : Your letter reminds me of an old joke that I read: A 78 year old man went to his doctor and complained that he is no longer able to have sex. Doctor said, sir, it is normal for men your age. But, doctor, my friend is of some age and he " claims " that he has sex 3 times every week. Hearing that the doctor remarked: You can also " claim " that - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 well yes, that pretty much sums it up for me... MY truth is not the " truth " of the turnarounds, at least not that i can honestly align with. thank you, jeremy In a message dated 10/23/2006 7:41:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adithya_comming@... writes: --- In _Loving-what-Loving-what-<WBLov_ (mailto:Loving-what-is ) , jmknapp74@.., jm > > > okay, i'm confused...don' okay, i'm confuse As I have seen, I can NEVER know the " truth " of what someone says. Therefore, I think it is BEST to only RELY on what works for me! I don't know the " truth " of what someone else says and 'why' someone says so! Given that, all I can really do is to listen what someone says and then try it in my own life! After that, MY Experience is my Only Truth and my Only Proof of it! I have found that it is follish to use others " claims " [statements, 'quotes', " great teaching " ] to compare my own 'experience' with how it is " supposed " to be!!! Relying on my own experience is Truer and Saner and, it is the Only one whose " truth " I can be sure of! It is the oly that can work for me; and, it is the only one I can rely on! Regards, ac. --- As a science student, I have learned that it is BEST to ONLY learn " how to " of a technique - what " should " happen after doing that; i will 'automatically' find out once I " do " that! If others result vary; I will simply ask them for the 'technique' and 'operating condition' they are using. If the " results " still vary after 'accuartely following the 'instructions' then, the 'instructions' and " results " are not really in sync i.e one of them is a 'lie' [or at least 'incomplete'th > anyway, thanks. > > jeremy > > In a message dated 10/23/2006 6:20:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > adithya_comming@ adithya_co > > > > > [...] > > >> it's really upsetting to me to see this helps so many people see > that life is actually good, but not me. maybe i should do a work on > my anger at the work. > > > > > thanks, > > jeremy > > Hi : > > Your letter reminds me of an old joke > that I read: > > A 78 year old man went to his doctor > and complained that he is no longer > able to have sex. > > Doctor said, sir, it is normal for men > your age. > > But, doctor, my friend is of some age and > he " claims " that he has sex 3 times every > week. > > Hearing that the doctor remarked: > > You can also " claim " that - > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 > > i have a serious question... > is there anyone here who had a very hard time getting the work, to find that > it was helpful to them later on? i keep coming back to it, but Hi , I would like to jump in here...and first my apologies.....because I offer no clarity for you as I am confused myself as to why I don't give the Work a go !!! I would like to work on ....my husband shouldn't be so dismissive of me/my world. I am new(ish) to the work, however it has been there in the background as the " wonder cure " for many ills (but not mine !!!!) Maybe I should work on my fear of the work not working for me. pauline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 [...] >> it's really upsetting to me to see this helps so many people see that life is actually good, but not me. maybe i should do a work on my anger at the work. > > thanks, > jeremy Hi : Your letter reminds me of an old joke that I read: A 78 year old man went to his doctor and complained that he is no longer able to have sex. Doctor said, sir, it is normal for men your age. But, doctor, my friend is of some age and he " claims " that he has sex 3 times every week. Hearing that the doctor remarked: You can also " claim " that - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 > > > okay, i'm confused...don't believe the claims? As I have seen, I can NEVER know the " truth " of what someone says. Therefore, I think it is BEST to only RELY on what works for me! I don't know the " truth " of what someone else says and 'why' someone says so! Given that, all I can really do is to listen what someone says and then try it in my own life! After that, MY Experience is my Only Truth and my Only Proof of it! I have found that it is follish to use others " claims " [statements, 'quotes', " great teaching " ] to compare my own 'experience' with how it is " supposed " to be!!! Relying on my own experience is Truer and Saner and, it is the Only one whose " truth " I can be sure of! It is the oly that can work for me; and, it is the only one I can rely on! Regards, ac. --- As a science student, I have learned that it is BEST to ONLY learn " how to " of a technique - what " should " happen after doing that; i will 'automatically' find out once I " do " that! If others result vary; I will simply ask them for the 'technique' and 'operating condition' they are using. If the " results " still vary after 'accuartely following the 'instructions' then, the 'instructions' and " results " are not really in sync i.e one of them is a 'lie' [or at least 'incomplete']! > anyway, thanks. > > jeremy > > In a message dated 10/23/2006 6:20:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > adithya_comming@... writes: > > > > > [...] > > >> it's really upsetting to me to see this helps so many people see > that life is actually good, but not me. maybe i should do a work on > my anger at the work. > > > > > thanks, > > jeremy > > Hi : > > Your letter reminds me of an old joke > that I read: > > A 78 year old man went to his doctor > and complained that he is no longer > able to have sex. > > Doctor said, sir, it is normal for men > your age. > > But, doctor, my friend is of some age and > he " claims " that he has sex 3 times every > week. > > Hearing that the doctor remarked: > > You can also " claim " that - > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 > > my brother shouldn't hate. Maybe it's your thinking you hate? And yet the stressful thoughts can be a gift, if you let them point you to investigate their truth. Then you would love the stress evoking thoughts. I hated today, hated applying for jobs. But every now and then I returned to the moment, woman sitting writing, woman riding bike, etc. Love that you hate. Love that you hate. Love that you hate. Love that you hate. Loving opens something, it's like turning towards the sun and then one can see clearly. Yes, I've done the work, and felt it didn't change things, sometimes it let more stress in. But I do believe, I didn't stick with it long enough. If I don't get to a point of lightness, even laughter, beautiful visions and such, I didn't investigate deeply enough. A Course in Miracles, similar to The Work, says if I don't feel gratitude towards something, I'm not thinking correctly about it. Ultimately, it's just your thoughts. Just some thoughts that float through mind and get velcro'd. Just thoughts. Thank you for sharing, I feel blessed by your words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Or you can fill out a judge-your-neighbourhood worksheet, and inquire that. Sometimes... it can seem hard to inquire into one specific question. I have most often felt that the jyn-worksheet takes care of a lot. Love, Am 23.10.2006 um 23:35 schrieb pindia56: > >> >> i have a serious question... >> is there anyone here who had a very hard time getting the work, to > find that >> it was helpful to them later on? i keep coming back to it, but > > Hi , > I would like to jump in here...and first my apologies.....because I > offer no clarity for you as I am confused myself as to why I don't > give the Work a go !!! I would like to work on ....my husband > shouldn't be so dismissive of me/my world. > > I am new(ish) to the work, however it has been there in the > background as the " wonder cure " for many ills (but not mine !!!!) > Maybe I should work on my fear of the work not working for me. > > pauline > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 , I just love to read your Works. Where my mind goes ~ Your brother does his job and so do you, (you doing your job interrupting him and of setting him straight). You must be the older brother. My 2 sons do lots of *setting each other straight* and I see that they just love each other. There can be much kevetching around my house. Don't you already love your brother just as he is? nne > my brother shouldn't hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 ***, Have you considered calling the hotline and having someone facilitate you to see if that experience takes you anywhere different with your inquiry? my experience is that being facilitated by another person can sometimes seem much more *helpful*. cheers, catherine > > > > my brother shouldn't hate. > > Maybe it's your thinking you hate? > > And yet the stressful thoughts can be a gift, if you let them point > you to investigate their truth. Then you would love the stress evoking > thoughts. > > I hated today, hated applying for jobs. But every now and then I > returned to the moment, woman sitting writing, woman riding bike, etc. > > Love that you hate. Love that you hate. Love that you hate. > > Love > that > you > hate. > > Loving opens something, it's like turning towards the sun and then one > can see clearly. > > Yes, I've done the work, and felt it didn't change things, sometimes > it let more stress in. But I do believe, I didn't stick with it long > enough. If I don't get to a point of lightness, even laughter, > beautiful visions and such, I didn't investigate deeply enough. > > A Course in Miracles, similar to The Work, says if I don't feel > gratitude towards something, I'm not thinking correctly about it. > > Ultimately, it's just your thoughts. Just some thoughts that float > through mind and get velcro'd. Just thoughts. > > Thank you for sharing, I feel blessed by your words. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Just maybe you are trying for your brother so that he is kept in anger? Unless your effort to protect him works. Maybe he gets attention for getting angry plus he gets to be irresponsible for his anger as you are anointed to stop it? > Am 24.10.2006 um 22:13 schrieb jmknapp74@...: ///// > > clearly i see that trying to control or change the way my brother > > looks/feels at things is stressful...yet it's kind of automatic for > > me (to want to. > > not to actually try to). i'm trying to " protect " him from his own > > anger. > > hopeless? can i stop? can i love it? i don't know...we'll see. > > > > love, > > J /// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 those are stories and are not helpful within the framework of The Work. You cannot know whether the brother is trying to get attention or is being " kept in anger " . vivian Re: hate Just maybe you are trying for your brother so that he is kept in anger? Unless your effort to protect him works. Maybe he gets attention for getting angry plus he gets to be irresponsible for his anger as you are anointed to stop it? > Am 24.10.2006 um 22:13 schrieb jmknapp74@...: ///// > > clearly i see that trying to control or change the way my brother > > looks/feels at things is stressful...yet it's kind of automatic for > > me (to want to. > > not to actually try to). i'm trying to " protect " him from his own > > anger. > > hopeless? can i stop? can i love it? i don't know...we'll see. > > > > love, > > J /// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Dear Vivian, it's true that those are stories, and that you can not know... And the way I would say it, is: " ask yourself " . Love, Am 27.10.2006 um 22:37 schrieb Vivian Barning: > those are stories and are not helpful within the framework of The > Work. You cannot know whether the brother is trying to get > attention or is being " kept in anger " . > > vivian > Re: hate > > > Just maybe you are trying for your brother so that he is kept in > anger? Unless your effort to protect him works. > Maybe he gets attention for getting angry plus he gets to be > irresponsible for his anger as you are anointed to stop it? > >> Am 24.10.2006 um 22:13 schrieb jmknapp74@...: > > ///// >>> clearly i see that trying to control or change the way my brother >>> looks/feels at things is stressful...yet it's kind of automatic for >>> me (to want to. >>> not to actually try to). i'm trying to " protect " him from his own >>> anger. >>> hopeless? can i stop? can i love it? i don't know...we'll see. >>> >>> love, >>> J > /// > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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