Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 hm. interesting... now, what dictates " concious " or " not concious " ? i'm concious of what i'm concious of...whether it be suffering or happiness. for instance, right now i'm concious of sitting in the chair, typing, breathing, and some slight amount of anxiety revolving around my girlfriend situation. where am i " unconcious " ? thank you, jeremy In a message dated 10/23/2006 7:28:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adithya_comming@... writes: [...] >>i should work harder at doing the work. maybe this is true. except that it feels painful and confusing to do it most times, so maybe the kindest thing is to leave it alone. which i also do! Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. ~ Albert Einstein No. I am not asking you not to do " work " . In my experience, work is a wonderful tool. Yet, it is NOT a " magic pill " that I swallo once and all my " human " problems will dissapaer! Like all other " tools " ; I first need to be " fully conscious " to use it. But, I have noticed that whenever I am " fully conscious " - I don't have have a problem! I create a [mental] problem ONLY when I am NOT Fully Conscious. And, when I am not " conscious " - I am NOT " conscious " to do " work " ! And, in this context, work simply becomes a tool to 'guide' my thoughts regarding 'past' or 'future' whenever, I gain enough 'consciouness' to realize that I am creating stress! Yet, once I become " unconscious " again; I again become Vulnerable to all kind of [mental] problems - and, thus, the cycle continues. Therefore, I have noticed that Staying Conscious is the #1 thing that I need to pay Attention to! Anything else can come only after That! Whenever I fall unconscious; I am bound to suffer. As I have experienced; there is no 'escape' from it! In fact, 'looking for an 'esacpe'' too is often part of the same unconsciouness! Doing " work " , I can greatly losen the grip of many stressful thoughts regarding past and future - yet, whenever I become 'unconscious' I ALWAYS am able to create a little different stressful thought than the one I thought I had alaredy " resolved " ! The " problem creator " [unconscious mind] can always create another one! ---- No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it. ~ Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 In a message dated 10/23/2006 8:44:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, olli_26@... writes: I'd look at: The work " lies " to me. Is that true? Love, okay, i will. the work lies to me. 1. no. the work is simply questions to ask. nothing more. i feel more like...the advertising of the work is a lie...the results that are offered by doing the work are not avaliable to me. in other words, the work should work for me. the work SHOULD work for me. 1. not unless it does. otherwise, my results are my results. plain and simple. 3. frustrated. hopeless. a feeling of being trapped. 4. well, if i didn't care...i wouldn't care! it wouldn't be a big deal to me one way or the other. so, maybe it's not a big deal. the worst that can happen is i'm stuck in the same hole i started in. wait, no. honestly the worst that can happen in this regard is the crushing disappointment when i realize THIS IS IT. this is as good as it gets. no way out or around it. but w/out the thought of even counting on the work as a possibility, i'm open to other avenues, whatever those may be. TA's the work shouldn't work. reality. unless it does, then THAT'S reality. pretty simple when i look at it that way. thanks, jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 [...] >>i should work harder at doing the work. maybe this is true. except that it feels painful and confusing to do it most times, so maybe the kindest thing is to leave it alone. which i also do! Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. ~ Albert Einstein No. I am not asking you not to do " work " . In my experience, work is a wonderful tool. Yet, it is NOT a " magic pill " that I swallo once and all my " human " problems will dissapaer! Like all other " tools " ; I first need to be " fully conscious " to use it. But, I have noticed that whenever I am " fully conscious " - I don't have have a problem! I create a [mental] problem ONLY when I am NOT Fully Conscious. And, when I am not " conscious " - I am NOT " conscious " to do " work " ! And, in this context, work simply becomes a tool to 'guide' my thoughts regarding 'past' or 'future' whenever, I gain enough 'consciouness' to realize that I am creating stress! Yet, once I become " unconscious " again; I again become Vulnerable to all kind of [mental] problems - and, thus, the cycle continues. Therefore, I have noticed that Staying Conscious is the #1 thing that I need to pay Attention to! Anything else can come only after That! Whenever I fall unconscious; I am bound to suffer. As I have experienced; there is no 'escape' from it! In fact, 'looking for an 'esacpe'' too is often part of the same unconsciouness! Doing " work " , I can greatly losen the grip of many stressful thoughts regarding past and future - yet, whenever I become 'unconscious' I ALWAYS am able to create a little different stressful thought than the one I thought I had alaredy " resolved " ! The " problem creator " [unconscious mind] can always create another one! ---- No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it. ~ Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 The work can't make you feel worse, only you and your thoughts (about The Work and other things) can do that. The Work doesn't promise happiness. It promises a way to examine your mind on paper and only if you are really honest. The Work doesn't make you feel defective. Your story about the Work is doing that. It is not uncommon to feel some depression early on in doing the Work. It comes from the realization of what fools we've been all our life. How we've spun stories and believed them and acted on them as if they are the truth. Vivian work on the work i am angry and disappointed in The Work because it " lies " to me. it makes me feel worse, and i can't see through my thoughts. it makes me feel defective and " left out " of the happiness it promises. The Work should work! 1. of course it's true! check the advertising! 2. in my experience, it really dosen't make me feel more clear, more peaceful or more happy with the issues i " work " on. so, NO. i don't know. 3. i feel resentful and angry. i read katie's " wisdom " and think: fraud. bullshitter. it makes me feel trapped in my own prison w/ no way out. doomed to repeat the same painful experiences over and over again because i can't see through " the lie " (what if the painful truth is just the truth?). a lot of the time the turnarounds make me feel worse than the original statements. it feels like an intense pressure in my heart, very painful. 4. i don't know. i would just think the work was an exercise in denial and self-deception...but wouldn't keep trying to get it right. i would let go of the need to keep trying. maybe find something else. i would let go of the hope of the work " working " . which actually might be more peaceful! *but i don't want to. i want to get it right!* TA's the work shouldn't work. this seems to be the reality of it for me. why keep trying to make it happen? i should " work " . as in, i feel broken and confused sometimes, and i think i shouldn't. well, this is true. as in, maybe if i really did the work more often, every day, it would start sinking in. i should work harder at doing the work. maybe this is true. except that it feels painful and confusing to do it most times, so maybe the kindest thing is to leave it alone. which i also do! okay, i feel like i'm in a hall of mirrors... thanks for reading! jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Dear , > i am angry and disappointed in The Work because it " lies " to me. > it makes > me feel worse, and i can't see through my thoughts. it makes me feel > defective and " left out " of the happiness it promises. The Work > should work! I'd look at: The work " lies " to me. Is that true? Love, > 1. of course it's true! check the advertising! > > 2. in my experience, it really dosen't make me feel more clear, more > peaceful or more happy with the issues i " work " on. so, NO. i > don't know. > > 3. i feel resentful and angry. i read katie's " wisdom " and > think: fraud. > bullshitter. it makes me feel trapped in my own prison w/ no way > out. > doomed to repeat the same painful experiences over and over again > because i can't > see through " the lie " (what if the painful truth is just the > truth?). a lot > of the time the turnarounds make me feel worse than the original > statements. > it feels like an intense pressure in my heart, very painful. > > 4. i don't know. i would just think the work was an exercise in > denial and > self-deception...but wouldn't keep trying to get it right. i > would let go > of the need to keep trying. maybe find something else. i would > let go of the > hope of the work " working " . which actually might be more > peaceful! *but i > don't want to. i want to get it right!* > > TA's > > the work shouldn't work. this seems to be the reality of it for > me. why > keep trying to make it happen? > > i should " work " . as in, i feel broken and confused sometimes, and > i think i > shouldn't. well, this is true. as in, maybe if i really did the > work more > often, every day, it would start sinking in. > > i should work harder at doing the work. maybe this is true. > except that it > feels painful and confusing to do it most times, so maybe the > kindest thing > is to leave it alone. which i also do! > > okay, i feel like i'm in a hall of mirrors... > thanks for reading! > > jeremy ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 > > > hm. interesting... > > now, what dictates " concious " or " not concious " ? 'Conscious' is what you 'voluntarily' decide to do! In these case, you have a 'pre decided', 'pre thought' 'purpose', 'choice' and 'means' to do it. In this case, you know 'why', 'what' and 'how' you are doing what you are doing. 'Unconscious' is what you do NOT 'voluntarily' " choose " to do! or example, I would not " voluntarily " " choose " to 'resent' my brother for his complains! Because, when I " consciouly " look for of an 'option' - I see that I don't really have an 'choice' to make him stop Complaining. It is NOT really in my power to do so. Knowing that, I may not try to! If I decided to try it because I love him and because I want " teach " him - I will look for the best 'means' to do it! Consciuously looking, I find that my 'resentment' is NOT the best way to stop his complains - it has not really worked in the past! In fact, it has only created PAIN for me and have created 'tension' in my relationship with Very Brother that I love and was wanting to Help! Yet, when I hear him complain, sometimes, I 'automatically' start 'resenting' - because in those moments I am " unconscious " and I am not really " voluntarilly " choosing what to do. I hear him complain and sometimes, I 'automatically' start 'resenting' because I am NOT Fully Aware of my 'purpose' [What I really Want], options [Can I really do that?] and the means [the BEST way to do it. Has the means I am adopting worked in the past?]! [ NNB ] >> i'm concious of what i'm concious of...whether it be suffering or happiness. for instance, right now i'm concious of sitting in the chair, typing, breathing, and some slight amount of anxiety revolving around my girlfriend situation. where am i " unconcious " ? >>thank you, >>jeremy > > In a message dated 10/23/2006 7:28:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > adithya_comming@... writes: > > > > > [...] > > >>i should work harder at doing the work. maybe this is true. except > that it feels painful and confusing to do it most times, so maybe the > kindest thing is to leave it alone. which i also do! > > Insanity: doing the same thing over and > over again and expecting different results. > > ~ Albert Einstein > > No. I am not asking you not to do " work " . > > In my experience, work is a wonderful tool. > > Yet, it is NOT a " magic pill " that I swallo > once and all my " human " problems will dissapaer! > > Like all other " tools " ; I first need > to be " fully conscious " to use it. > > But, I have noticed that whenever > I am " fully conscious " - I don't have > have a problem! > > I create a [mental] problem ONLY when > I am NOT Fully Conscious. And, when I > am not " conscious " - I am NOT " conscious " > to do " work " ! > > And, in this context, work simply becomes > a tool to 'guide' my thoughts regarding > 'past' or 'future' whenever, I gain enough > 'consciouness' to realize that I am creating > stress! > > Yet, once I become " unconscious " again; > I again become Vulnerable to all kind > of [mental] problems - and, thus, the > cycle continues. > > Therefore, I have noticed that > Staying Conscious is the #1 thing that > I need to pay Attention to! Anything > else can come only after That! > > > Whenever I fall unconscious; > I am bound to suffer. As I have > experienced; there is no 'escape' > from it! In fact, 'looking for an 'esacpe'' > too is often part of the same unconsciouness! > > Doing " work " , I can greatly losen the grip > of many stressful thoughts regarding past > and future - yet, whenever I become 'unconscious' > I ALWAYS am able to create a little different > stressful thought than the one I thought > I had alaredy " resolved " ! > > The " problem creator " [unconscious mind] > can always create another one! > > ---- > > No problem can be solved from the same > level of consciousness that created it. > > ~ Albert Einstein > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 what advertising is that? I'd like to see it. Advertising remember is paid for, it is not a statement on a website. vivian Re: work on the work Dear , > i am angry and disappointed in The Work because it " lies " to me. > it makes > me feel worse, and i can't see through my thoughts. it makes me feel > defective and " left out " of the happiness it promises. The Work > should work! I'd look at: The work " lies " to me. Is that true? Love, > 1. of course it's true! check the advertising! > > 2. in my experience, it really dosen't make me feel more clear, more > peaceful or more happy with the issues i " work " on. so, NO. i > don't know. > > 3. i feel resentful and angry. i read katie's " wisdom " and > think: fraud. > bullshitter. it makes me feel trapped in my own prison w/ no way > out. > doomed to repeat the same painful experiences over and over again > because i can't > see through " the lie " (what if the painful truth is just the > truth?). a lot > of the time the turnarounds make me feel worse than the original > statements. > it feels like an intense pressure in my heart, very painful. > > 4. i don't know. i would just think the work was an exercise in > denial and > self-deception...but wouldn't keep trying to get it right. i > would let go > of the need to keep trying. maybe find something else. i would > let go of the > hope of the work " working " . which actually might be more > peaceful! *but i > don't want to. i want to get it right!* > > TA's > > the work shouldn't work. this seems to be the reality of it for > me. why > keep trying to make it happen? > > i should " work " . as in, i feel broken and confused sometimes, and > i think i > shouldn't. well, this is true. as in, maybe if i really did the > work more > often, every day, it would start sinking in. > > i should work harder at doing the work. maybe this is true. > except that it > feels painful and confusing to do it most times, so maybe the > kindest thing > is to leave it alone. which i also do! > > okay, i feel like i'm in a hall of mirrors... > thanks for reading! > > jeremy __________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hi , i haven't read all the postings regarding your topics. So maybe this is just a repetition. I just share the thoughts which moved through me (while getting a taste of your topics): The work is a meditation. Do you ask with your mind and let the heart respond? Do you do it like a mental exercise? Do you patiently wait till the heart responds? And another thought moved through me. The work is not meant to " fix " anything. It is there for: if you want to know your truth. And the next thing was: Some topics need more than one work. lr > i am angry and disappointed in The Work because it " lies " to me. it makes > me feel worse, and i can't see through my thoughts. it makes me feel > defective and " left out " of the happiness it promises. The Work should work! > [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 well, the title is not " Loving What Is; Four Questions That Leave Your More Confused Than You Were In The First Place " ; ) In a message dated 10/23/2006 10:14:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vbarning@... writes: what advertising is that? I'd like to see it. Advertising remember is paid for, it is not a statement on a website. vivian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: _Loving-what-Loving-what-<WBLov_ (mailto:Loving-what-is ) Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Loving-what-Subject: Re: [Lo Dear , > i am angry and disappointed in The Work because it " lies " to me. > it makes > me feel worse, and i can't see through my thoughts. it makes me feel > defective and " left out " of the happiness it promises. The Work > should work! I'd look at: The work " lies " to me. Is that true? Love, > 1. of course it's true! check the advertising! > > 2. in my experience, it really dosen't make me feel more clear, more > peaceful or more happy with the issues i " work " on. so, NO. i > don't know. > > 3. i feel resentful and angry. i read katie's " wisdom " and > think: fraud. > bullshitter. it makes me feel trapped in my own prison w/ no way > out. > doomed to repeat the same painful experiences over and over again > because i can't > see through " the lie " (what if the painful truth is just the > truth?). a lot > of the time the turnarounds make me feel worse than the original > statements. > it feels like an intense pressure in my heart, very painful. > > 4. i don't know. i would just think the work was an exercise in > denial and > self-deception. self-deception.<WBR>..but wouldn't keep trying to > would let go > of the need to keep trying. maybe find something else. i would > let go of the > hope of the work " working " . which actually might be more > peaceful! *but i > don't want to. i want to get it right!* > > TA's > > the work shouldn't work. this seems to be the reality of it for > me. why > keep trying to make it happen? > > i should " work " . as in, i feel broken and confused sometimes, and > i think i > shouldn't. well, this is true. as in, maybe if i really did the > work more > often, every day, it would start sinking in. > > i should work harder at doing the work. maybe this is true. > except that it > feels painful and confusing to do it most times, so maybe the > kindest thing > is to leave it alone. which i also do! > > okay, i feel like i'm in a hall of mirrors... > thanks for reading! > > jeremy _______________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: _http://messenger.http://m_ (http://messenger.yahoo.de/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 hi, i use the responses i get. whether they come from the heart or the mind, i'm not really sure. i say what feels true to me, that's all. i will say that when it comes to doing the Work, patience is not my strongest suite. i used to meditate regularly, and i no longer do. maybe i should try bieng more patient when " working " ... thanks, jeremy In a message dated 10/24/2006 3:34:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gitoros@... writes: Hi , i haven't read all the postings regarding your topics. So maybe this is just a repetition. I just share the thoughts which moved through me (while getting a taste of your topics): The work is a meditation. Do you ask with your mind and let the heart respond? Do you do it like a mental exercise? Do you patiently wait till the heart responds? And another thought moved through me. The work is not meant to " fix " anything. It is there for: if you want to know your truth. And the next thing was: Some topics need more than one work. lr > i am angry and disappointed in The Work because it " lies " to me. it makes > me feel worse, and i can't see through my thoughts. it makes me feel > defective and " left out " of the happiness it promises. The Work should work! > [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hello , You could try replacing the words " the Work/It(TW)/'s wisdom/the turnarounds " in 1, 2, 3, and 4 with the words " My Thinking, my thoughts " . And see what happens... Oh, and never says we are fools for believing our thoughts, only Innocent, all the time. Tamara > > i am angry and disappointed in The Work because it " lies " to me. it makes > me feel worse, and i can't see through my thoughts. it makes me feel > defective and " left out " of the happiness it promises. The Work should work! > > 1. of course it's true! check the advertising! > > 2. in my experience, it really dosen't make me feel more clear, more > peaceful or more happy with the issues i " work " on. so, NO. i don't know. > > 3. i feel resentful and angry. i read katie's " wisdom " and think: fraud. > bullshitter. it makes me feel trapped in my own prison w/ no way out. > doomed to repeat the same painful experiences over and over again because i can't > see through " the lie " (what if the painful truth is just the truth?). a lot > of the time the turnarounds make me feel worse than the original statements. > it feels like an intense pressure in my heart, very painful. > > 4. i don't know. i would just think the work was an exercise in denial and > self-deception...but wouldn't keep trying to get it right. i would let go > of the need to keep trying. maybe find something else. i would let go of the > hope of the work " working " . which actually might be more peaceful! *but i > don't want to. i want to get it right!* > > TA's > > the work shouldn't work. this seems to be the reality of it for me. why > keep trying to make it happen? > > i should " work " . as in, i feel broken and confused sometimes, and i think i > shouldn't. well, this is true. as in, maybe if i really did the work more > often, every day, it would start sinking in. > > i should work harder at doing the work. maybe this is true. except that it > feels painful and confusing to do it most times, so maybe the kindest thing > is to leave it alone. which i also do! > > okay, i feel like i'm in a hall of mirrors... > thanks for reading! > > jeremy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 , I want you to be gentle on yourself as you inquire. I also want you to know that I appreciate your opinions and you setting me straight in past posts. I see you as a kind soul. nne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 in my new meditation class.. the only thing ive learned is that i am so unconscious.. and have been most of my life.. Its amazing when you try to focus attention.. how my mind goes wild.. good to notice i guess. thanks ac.. i agree maybe i have not been conscious enough to get much out of the work.. true in meditation also.. love, rh -- - In Loving-what-is , " adithya_comming " wrote: > > [...] > > > >>i should work harder at doing the work. maybe this is true. except > that it feels painful and confusing to do it most times, so maybe the > kindest thing is to leave it alone. which i also do! > > > Insanity: doing the same thing over and > over again and expecting different results. > > ~ Albert Einstein > > > No. I am not asking you not to do " work " . > > In my experience, work is a wonderful tool. > > Yet, it is NOT a " magic pill " that I swallo > once and all my " human " problems will dissapaer! > > > Like all other " tools " ; I first need > to be " fully conscious " to use it. > > But, I have noticed that whenever > I am " fully conscious " - I don't have > have a problem! > > I create a [mental] problem ONLY when > I am NOT Fully Conscious. And, when I > am not " conscious " - I am NOT " conscious " > to do " work " ! > > And, in this context, work simply becomes > a tool to 'guide' my thoughts regarding > 'past' or 'future' whenever, I gain enough > 'consciouness' to realize that I am creating > stress! > > Yet, once I become " unconscious " again; > I again become Vulnerable to all kind > of [mental] problems - and, thus, the > cycle continues. > > Therefore, I have noticed that > Staying Conscious is the #1 thing that > I need to pay Attention to! Anything > else can come only after That! > > > Whenever I fall unconscious; > I am bound to suffer. As I have > experienced; there is no 'escape' > from it! In fact, 'looking for an 'esacpe'' > too is often part of the same unconsciouness! > > Doing " work " , I can greatly losen the grip > of many stressful thoughts regarding past > and future - yet, whenever I become 'unconscious' > I ALWAYS am able to create a little different > stressful thought than the one I thought > I had alaredy " resolved " ! > > > The " problem creator " [unconscious mind] > can always create another one! > > > ---- > > No problem can be solved from the same > level of consciousness that created it. > > ~ Albert Einstein > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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