[adyashantigroup] Re: Unconditional Love

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Dear sweet

You wrote:

" Hm... Yes, and: since when do I care for others? So far it's " me, me,

Me... " only that sometimes I am confused about this... "

I know you wrote this line to turn me ON

You don't need to do so,

I am already deeply in love with you

And I feel as if I have become a bad influence on you

You start to talk like me.

You are so perfect the way you are

And it is a privilege to know you.

T

-- Re: [adyashantigroup] Re: Unconditional Love

Long post of many people...

some things make me think...

>> so what should AC do about his wife. who threatens to kill

>> his kids.. it sounds really serious to me..

His wife is telling him what not to do, so that she won't kill his

kids. So... as long as he's with her *and* wants to " keep " his kids,

that's what he should do...

> ***He should stop trying to manipulate his wife and remove himself

> and his children from this insanity. Of course to do this or to be

> moved to do this, he would have to question the insane stories that

> he is so fond of that keep him in this situation (ie, a family

> should not seperate physically, parents would be humiliated, etc.)

> Lots of cultural stories that he has made his own...

Oh, well: " he, he, he " ...

sounds like self-analyzation.

>>> What I have noticed in me is that when I perceive separation,

>>> the seeing of

>>> good and bad naturally follows. Indeed, others who don't see it

>>> the way I do

>>> then occur as wrong or insincere, perhaps even as an enemy. But

>>> what if all

>>> separation is an illusion?

Hm... yes, and: since when do I care for others? So far it's " me, me,

me... " only that sometimes I am confused about this...

>>> Another thing I have noticed is that I have used separation in

>>> an effort to protect myself. It has seemed to allow me to create

>>> distance

>>> between " myself " and all of the horror and ignorance. " Yes there is

>>> cruelty, but I

>>> am not connected to it. Yes, there is/was Hitler, Saddam,

>>> W. " (pick

>>> your villain) " but I am separate from them. " Well, what if I'm

>>> not? What if

>>> I am responsible for all of the ignorance, all of the cruelty,

>>> all of the

>>> horror? Can I love that? And, if the answer is no, then that is

>>> a place

>>> where I stop.

Well, saying that someone did something wrong is saying " I would have

made it different, and that would have been better. " (only I know for

whom)

>>> If my fundamental being is unconditional love (as many wise

>>> people suggest)

>>> then every stop in the flow of that love is a violation of me.

Every stop in " the flow of love " is a violation of me.

" Unconditional love " is the only love there is. All " other love " is

egoism or ignorance.

>>> I have

>>> endured violations in my life but no one has violated me like I

>>> have. Others

>>> don't come close in comparison. I am my own perpetrator, and my

>>> own victim.

>>> Everybody else is off the hook, and then so am I. I was just

>>> confused. I

>>> went to sleep and had a dream, and in that dream, I perpetrated

>>> harm, but

>>> all is well. here. now. Everything's okay. The thing I love

>>> about

>>> the past

>>> is that it is over. I begin now.

The dream was that there is any (valid) reason for me to suffer.

>>> So, yes, I can love cancer. It caused my mother to die at

>>> exactly the right

>>> time, and gave me the time I needed to become complete with her

>>> before she passed.

Cancer " is " . It doesn't " cause anything. Being uneasy or even afraid

about it is saying: " it should not be there " , denying it right to

exist (the way it does).

>>> I think what might be more fitting to what you are talking about

>>> is

>>> " resistance. " You don't have to hate a situation to leave it if

>>> it's not

>>> working for you - like I said once I heard Eckhart Tolle said

>>> he

>>> could

>>> accept being chained to a nightclub bar if he had to but is he

>>> wasn't

>>> chained he would certainly leave.

If I think I can't leave a place, then I'd better find out why it is

better for me to be there.

>>> If you pick up a gun and shoot yourself or the doctor I wouldn't

>>> call that

>>> love - I would call that " insanity. " Love would what would be

>>> come

>>> after

>>> that - probably way after the acceptance stage depending on

>>> where

>>> you are

>>> at.

It's not: " I should call it love when I do what I see you do " . It is

love for him who does it. My choice is *always* love. And this is

what it looks like to me. And that is what it looks like to you. If I

don't experience love, that's my part. And that's when I hurt.

Who would *I* be if I saw every of *your* actions as an act of love?

It's an: " I can see that you do it out of love, and I take away your

gun. "

" To love what is " never meant to " be high " , but to act out of a clear

state, without any emotional bindings. It' about how I feel when I do

things.

>>> And, honestly, I would have to say that I believe love (and

>>> acceptance) feel

>>> good - acceptance brings relief from resistance and moving out

>>> of

>>> acceptance

>>> into love I think moves into joy and enthusiasm.

yes... I can relate to that...

loving what is is listening to the voice of God without resistance.

It is acting without resistance.

>>> Sounds that way to me also. I don't even understand what these

>>> people mean.

>>> I mean how does one love CA?

How could I not?

And you do, if you don't have any storie's about it. CA is much

kinder than the stories you have about it.

>>> Not getting this unconditional love stuff sounds like a

>>> way to use the

>>> mind to avoid an experience.

Yes.

You can say " I don't get this " and avoid inquiring.

>>> If the doctor says I have CA and I feel

>>> fear pain anger is this love?

Well, how does it feel to you? Any stressful thoughts around the

fear, pain or anger?

So that's your answer.

>>> If I fight to stay alive is this love. If I

>>> pick up a gun and shoot the doctor or myself is this love?

Again, how does it feel to you? Does it feel stressful or not?

>>> If God is LOVE than how

>>> could it not be so why try to feel anything?

Oh, well. Try not to feel anything.

It may be possible. But it costs *so* much energy.

>>> I hope this list doesn't go on an unconditional love trip

Well, " the list " can't go anywhere.

The people who post don't represent the list.

>>> They

>>> use this a lot in Al anon to remain in a situation that is not

>>> suited for

>>> them or avoid their own dependency on another's reaction by

>>> trying

>>> to love

>>> unconditionally.

Well, as I see it, everyone is there for *me* to learn how to " get

it " . If I see someone who is not doing right, in any way, I know I

found a teacher.

Love,

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Long post of many people...

some things make me think...

>> so what should AC do about his wife. who threatens to kill

>> his kids.. it sounds really serious to me..

His wife is telling him what not to do, so that she won't kill his

kids. So... as long as he's with her *and* wants to " keep " his kids,

that's what he should do...

> ***He should stop trying to manipulate his wife and remove himself

> and his children from this insanity. Of course to do this or to be

> moved to do this, he would have to question the insane stories that

> he is so fond of that keep him in this situation (ie, a family

> should not seperate physically, parents would be humiliated, etc.)

> Lots of cultural stories that he has made his own...

Oh, well: " he, he, he " ...

sounds like self-analyzation.

>>> What I have noticed in me is that when I perceive separation,

>>> the seeing of

>>> good and bad naturally follows. Indeed, others who don't see it

>>> the way I do

>>> then occur as wrong or insincere, perhaps even as an enemy. But

>>> what if all

>>> separation is an illusion?

Hm... yes, and: since when do I care for others? So far it's " me, me,

me... " only that sometimes I am confused about this...

>>> Another thing I have noticed is that I have used separation in

>>> an effort to protect myself. It has seemed to allow me to create

>>> distance

>>> between " myself " and all of the horror and ignorance. " Yes there is

>>> cruelty, but I

>>> am not connected to it. Yes, there is/was Hitler, Saddam,

>>> W. " (pick

>>> your villain) " but I am separate from them. " Well, what if I'm

>>> not? What if

>>> I am responsible for all of the ignorance, all of the cruelty,

>>> all of the

>>> horror? Can I love that? And, if the answer is no, then that is

>>> a place

>>> where I stop.

Well, saying that someone did something wrong is saying " I would have

made it different, and that would have been better. " (only I know for

whom)

>>> If my fundamental being is unconditional love (as many wise

>>> people suggest)

>>> then every stop in the flow of that love is a violation of me.

Every stop in " the flow of love " is a violation of me.

" Unconditional love " is the only love there is. All " other love " is

egoism or ignorance.

>>> I have

>>> endured violations in my life but no one has violated me like I

>>> have. Others

>>> don't come close in comparison. I am my own perpetrator, and my

>>> own victim.

>>> Everybody else is off the hook, and then so am I. I was just

>>> confused. I

>>> went to sleep and had a dream, and in that dream, I perpetrated

>>> harm, but

>>> all is well. here. now. Everything's okay. The thing I love

>>> about

>>> the past

>>> is that it is over. I begin now.

The dream was that there is any (valid) reason for me to suffer.

>>> So, yes, I can love cancer. It caused my mother to die at

>>> exactly the right

>>> time, and gave me the time I needed to become complete with her

>>> before she passed.

Cancer " is " . It doesn't " cause anything. Being uneasy or even afraid

about it is saying: " it should not be there " , denying it right to

exist (the way it does).

>>> I think what might be more fitting to what you are talking about

>>> is

>>> " resistance. " You don't have to hate a situation to leave it if

>>> it's not

>>> working for you - like I said once I heard Eckhart Tolle said

>>> he

>>> could

>>> accept being chained to a nightclub bar if he had to but is he

>>> wasn't

>>> chained he would certainly leave.

If I think I can't leave a place, then I'd better find out why it is

better for me to be there.

>>> If you pick up a gun and shoot yourself or the doctor I wouldn't

>>> call that

>>> love - I would call that " insanity. " Love would what would be

>>> come

>>> after

>>> that - probably way after the acceptance stage depending on

>>> where

>>> you are

>>> at.

It's not: " I should call it love when I do what I see you do " . It is

love for him who does it. My choice is *always* love. And this is

what it looks like to me. And that is what it looks like to you. If I

don't experience love, that's my part. And that's when I hurt.

Who would *I* be if I saw every of *your* actions as an act of love?

It's an: " I can see that you do it out of love, and I take away your

gun. "

" To love what is " never meant to " be high " , but to act out of a clear

state, without any emotional bindings. It' about how I feel when I do

things.

>>> And, honestly, I would have to say that I believe love (and

>>> acceptance) feel

>>> good - acceptance brings relief from resistance and moving out

>>> of

>>> acceptance

>>> into love I think moves into joy and enthusiasm.

yes... I can relate to that...

loving what is is listening to the voice of God without resistance.

It is acting without resistance.

>>> Sounds that way to me also. I don't even understand what these

>>> people mean.

>>> I mean how does one love CA?

How could I not?

And you do, if you don't have any storie's about it. CA is much

kinder than the stories you have about it.

>>> Not getting this unconditional love stuff sounds like a

>>> way to use the

>>> mind to avoid an experience.

Yes.

You can say " I don't get this " and avoid inquiring.

>>> If the doctor says I have CA and I feel

>>> fear pain anger is this love?

Well, how does it feel to you? Any stressful thoughts around the

fear, pain or anger?

So that's your answer.

>>> If I fight to stay alive is this love. If I

>>> pick up a gun and shoot the doctor or myself is this love?

Again, how does it feel to you? Does it feel stressful or not?

>>> If God is LOVE than how

>>> could it not be so why try to feel anything?

Oh, well. Try not to feel anything.

It may be possible. But it costs *so* much energy.

>>> I hope this list doesn't go on an unconditional love trip

Well, " the list " can't go anywhere.

The people who post don't represent the list.

>>> They

>>> use this a lot in Al anon to remain in a situation that is not

>>> suited for

>>> them or avoid their own dependency on another's reaction by

>>> trying

>>> to love

>>> unconditionally.

Well, as I see it, everyone is there for *me* to learn how to " get

it " . If I see someone who is not doing right, in any way, I know I

found a teacher.

Love,

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