Re: Question of the Week/Purpose/Understanding my Post

June 27, 2002

Amybeth:

I think it's wonderful that your found tae-bo and that it has gotten

you so far.... and trust me, I wouldn't be bored with your story!

I've read a lot of great stories about what Tae-Bo has done for other

people.

My thing is, my self-esteem is nil.... and Tae-Bo has been helping me

on that journey on NOT listening to that demon inside of me.

I'm not completely there yet.... I have a lot of spiritual work to

do, trust me! But I think it's wonderful that you have changed your

life and health so much... I really do.

I think that, like me, people are at all different levels, or stages,

of self-discovery.

I think I understand what you are saying regarding the spiritual side

of Tae-Bo... and I think that Blanks does a wonderful job of

thanking his higher power.

I think that everyone is on a different level in their spiritual

journey. I don't think it's a bad thing, and I think (I hope) it

adds interest to the group. Wouldn't it be boring if we were all the

same?

Thanks for the encouraging words.... and I admire anyone who can

change their life around.... Janet

> I was asking you your purpose for TaeBoing......why do you

> TaeBo......

>

> i won't bore y ou with all the reasons why but I TaeBo for

life....at

> 23 years old I was crippled from the waist up...I used exercise to

> change that...I found TaeBo and it gave me a reason to

> Exercise....what is my Purpose what is my Reason for

> TaeBoing....

>

> Life.......

> TaeBo gives me life .......TaeBo gives me Purpose....TaeBo Gave

> me the use of my body back......

> what did it do FOR you....why do you TaeBo? they are the

> same....

>

> again sorry Janet none of this was about you -- you are new on

> your Journey and try to block all that you heard out and

> experience TaeBo the waay will teach you too.....Listen with

> your ears and your heart......

>

> peace

> AmyBeth-who wishes you a wonderful Journey and encourages

> you to document it

> >

June 28, 2002

Amybeth,

I just would like to ask why exactly is it okay for you to PRACTICLY attack

people on this list and that be okay???? But, if we speak our mind back then

we are yelling and pouting???? I think that you need to re-read your posts.

Your posts are coming out much much more harsher than any other I have read.

I'm sorry but I do not do Tae-Bo for you OR , I do Tae-Bo for Darcy and

her happiness. I don't need you or anybody telling me WHY I should be doing it

and then getting put down afterwards because I'm not doing it for the right

reasons. Give me a break.

Darcy who is ALWAYS one to try to see two sides of everything, but IMO this is

just ridiculous....

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Even

> gave it considerable thought in the shower this am. I think

what you might

> be saying is that Taebo is as much a spiritual commitment to

a way of life as

> much as it is the exercise part of it.

>

> Thank you -- Caroline for listening with your ears.....that is

exactly what I was saying...I had tried to provoke this group on

Wed. to think about their Purpose.....everyone of them ignored

it....went on and on about themselves and what Taebo had done

for them.......we all have testimonials to what TaeBo has done for

us......we have bragged on Fridays and we have motivated

ourselves to do more then many of us (mainly me) ever

expected.....but I wanted to show them how they could take it to

another level by giving their workouts purpose......but they didn't

want to do that they didn't want to admit that they were being

side tracked with their visual selves.....

Again thank you for trying to undestand atleast....the rest of

them just jump on their band wagons and yell and pout......and

throw around their GOD......he is my GOD too and he evoked me

to make those statements....I am usually a passive and quiet

poster with an open mind too all angles....but when it comes to

TaeBo yes, I am the TaeBo Police and I (emphasis

added) made MYSELF the TaeBo Police......and btw until GOD

takes my breath I will always be the TaeBo Police so don't let

your guard down......

AmyBeth-who again thanks Caroline for responding in a none

defensive manner -- it is a true comfort to have a debate with

someone who is sure in their beliefs and not afraid to hear

others..... Remember Frear begets Hate......

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June 28, 2002

Amybeth,

Obiously it appears that more people than not didn't understand your original

post on Wednesday. My question to you is why do you or did you, I should say,

beat around the bush to make your point? I don't understand why you posted it

in such a " non-direct " way if it's so upsetting to you. Why didn't you put it

in simple terms so that we all would have understood the first time and

wouldn't have had to take OUR own time to study your post in trying to figure

out exactly what you are trying to say..... Boy, what a complicated pargraph I

just wrote.... I'm just wondering why you didn't put it in black and white

instead of the way you did.

Darcy

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I had tried to provoke this group on

> Wed. to think about their Purpose.....everyone of them ignored

> it....

Yes, I did not respond because I had NO IDEA what you meant. I was

hoping you would explain!

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June 28, 2002

,

I just wanted to say that I LOVE this list as I know many many others do.

Amybeth is apparently one of few who don't. BIG DEAL. We all know you can't

please everybody, but I think your doing a darn good job in pleasing MOST

everybody. Please keep handling the list as you always have been and

please don't change a think

Darcy

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In a message dated 6/27/02 5:04:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

taebo4life@... writes:

I am not in fear of anything. And there is nothing you can say that would

cause me fear in the slightest. I was not " throwing my friendship with Susi

and around at you. " I was explaining myself. And FYI, you know

NOTHING about me OR what I stand for. If you don't like the way I handle

myself or this list, create your own. It is that simple. I am done with this

now. We don't need this negativity on the list!

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June 28, 2002

, AmyBeth, and everyone else - we are ALL Tae-Bo'ers!!! No matter how

high we kick or if we're thinking about spiritual things or supper while we are

kicking. We do Tae-Bo, therfore we are Tae-Boers. (come on, can it be any

simpler). I can't believe you have the adacity Amybeth to say that someone

isn't a Tae-Boer. I think would look down on YOU big time for the way

you are acting. And if he wouldn't, I would be shocked and my opinion of him

would change. I'm sorry that this post is so harsh too, but I'm flabbergasted

at your insults. Man, alive you act like YOU are the higher power.

Darcy

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You always talk about God ....and you threw your God at

me.....and if you aren't a follower of billy Blanks why do you run

this list this is TaeBo On.....no Exercise On.......

I know deep in my heart I have a better attitude about God and

and TaeBo then you do and I don't know what you mean

about insulting you.....I provoked you is what I did and you are

afraid of what I am saying .......unfortunately you have many more

journeys to complete before you can fully understand what I am

saying.....sourround your self with LOVE and you will in

turn get Love....right now you surround yourself with Pity and that

is all you are going to get back is Pity.....I never allowed anyone

to pity me during my physical journey.....if I had I wouldn't have

ever gotten off that couch and lost that 100 lbs and changed my

innerspirit and changed my lifestyle...I would be like you

now....just exercising along and whining and complaining when

I fell off the wagon or ate something I shouldn't have.......

go Exercise be healthy and Love your God but don't claim to be a

TaeBoer cuz your NOT......

peace

AmyBeth-who will leave you to your list now -- go lead it they way

a Good Christian should since this is the Exericse your Christian

Visual selfs list and not the TaeBo On list it claims to be.....

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June 28, 2002

BTW, unless posts to you personally or to everyone else, I will also

argue the point that she talks about God constantly. I think I've heard her

say it maybe three times in her thousands of posts......

Darcy

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You always talk about God ....and you threw your God at

me.....and if you aren't a follower of billy Blanks why do you run

this list this is TaeBo On.....no Exercise On.......

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June 28, 2002

Amybeth,

If you knew of a way to keep Elena here, why-oh-why didn't you try then??? I

would say you are most guilty for her leaving then, since your the one claiming

you knew how to make her stay. why are you pointing fingers? You are blaming

us, but obviously you didn't do anything right either to make her

stay...LOL... Maybe you should point that finger in the other direction at

yourself as well my dear.

Darcy who feels HORRIBLE for all the newbies that have to read through

Amybeth's garbate, and just want to say that a personal attack like this has

never happened before, and we are usually a list to never dispute.... (please

don't leave!)

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AmyBeth-who never called anyone stupid...she tried to get this

list to talk about something TaeBo related......tried to share a

new way to see TaeBo but no one waanted to listen......i am sorry

I don't usually get involved in disputes either and would have

normally just walked away from this group for a long time.....but

when the Elena topic came up i snapped....for you see I loved

elena....deeply ......this list In My Humble Opinion ran her

off....by

not letting her learn the true meaning of TaeBo......she didn't

have to go....she could have done what all of you do here

....shared her committment to exercise.....think about that for a

while...why did Elena leave.....I give that burden to all of you I

watched it happen I lurked and listened with my ears while you

girls just said goodbeye to one of the best spirited TaeBoers on

this list........just cuz she couldn't TaeBo anymore she thought

she had to leave.......guess what that is what all you are saying to

me.....we don't have to worship Blanks....although again in

my humble opinion and I btw have one....you should that man

changed my whole life and I will worship him until the day I can

no longer take breath and then I will be with my Lord....who

blessed us with Mr. Blanks' and his vision.....but anyway about

Elena......as what you all are just saying she didn't have to leave

here....most of the Group is here for exercise and motivation and

that is all Elena could do she coudln't do TaeBo anymore but

when why did yah'll let her leave...none of you told her the things

you just screamed at me....none of you cared enough about

sharing your Love of whatever it is to try to get her to stay......

peace

AmyBeth-who is the least negative person will ever met

and she laughs at her comment about this list getting away from

the negativivity since she learned that from ME......hah.....

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June 28, 2002

LOL, Janet, There hast't been a person yet to say they understood it.....

Darcy who reads many many posts a day and doesn't have the time to study just

one to try to comprehend.....

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Thank goodness, Darcy.... I thought I was the only person who didn't

understand that post either! Janet

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June 28, 2002

> Just because we talk about other forms of exercise, we are bad?? I

don't

> understand why that's bad. Even does other forms of

exercise. The only

> reason I didn't respond to your other post is because I again

didn't understand

> what you were saying and I guess I forgot about it - sorry.

>

> Darcy

Again, I thought it was a language barrier problem, because I didn't

understand Amybeth's first post either. Also, we have to remember

that in sending messages via a MB, we often only get part of the

relayed message, because in real life, 50% of a message is composed

of non verbal cues.

Janick

June 28, 2002

I have been getting e-mails in such a random order,

that I haven't been able to make sense of this thread.

However, from what I read below, it seems to be

partially about why Elena left the group. Since I

think I started the part about Elena leaving, I want

to clarify. Elena did not post to this group that she

was leaving, so no one could respond to her. She sent

me a private e-mail. I was very upset about her

decision and e-mailed her immediately. I told her

that I thought she should stay on the list and was a

great asset whether she ever could tae-bo again. I

urged her to stay. She said she felt it was best for

her to unsubscribe. I think being part of a tae-bo

list was too painful of a reminder to her of the

changes her back problems have made in her life (my

opinion only, she didn't say this, but I inferred it

from the rest of her post). She said she made the

decision to leave for herself, not based on anything

she felt from others on the list, vibes about the

types of posts, etc. It seemed to me, she was just

ready to move forward with her life. She seemed very

positive about the whole thing and while I was sorry

to see her go, I saw it as a positive step she was

taking for herself.

Again, I debated posting this reply, because I am a

bit unclear on how this thread started and

specifically what is is about because I am getting

posts out of order. However, I hope this will clear

things up a bit and let this group get back to

discussing exercise and fitness issues again.

Kerri

who hates conflict and tried to smooth things over

some...I hope it helped

--- taebo4life wrote:

> when the Elena topic came up i snapped....for you

> see I loved

> elena....deeply ......this list In My Humble Opinion

> ran her

> off....by

> not letting her learn the true meaning of

> TaeBo......she didn't

> have to go....she could have done what all of you do

> here

> ...shared her committment to exercise.....think

> about that for a

> while...why did Elena leave.....I give that burden

> to all of you I

> watched it happen I lurked and listened with my ears

> while you

> girls just said goodbeye to one of the best spirited

> TaeBoers on

> this list........just cuz she couldn't TaeBo anymore

> she thought

> she had to leave.......guess what that is what all

> you are saying to

> me.....we don't have to worship

> Blanks....although again in

> my humble opinion and I btw have one....you should

> that man

> changed my whole life and I will worship him until

> the day I can

> no longer take breath and then I will be with my

> Lord....who

> blessed us with Mr. Blanks' and his vision.....but

> anyway about

> Elena......as what you all are just saying she

> didn't have to leave

> here....most of the Group is here for exercise and

> motivation and

> that is all Elena could do she coudln't do TaeBo

> anymore but

> when why did yah'll let her leave...none of you told

> her the things

> you just screamed at me....none of you cared enough

> about

> sharing your Love of whatever it is to try to get

> her to stay......

>

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June 28, 2002

I am guilty of

> getting caught up in the No. of workouts/how many miles I ran,

etc. But I

> realize I wouldn't even be doing it without the change in my heart.

Wow Caroline, that was really well put!! I completely agree!!!

Janick

June 28, 2002

>

> Darcy who feels HORRIBLE for all the newbies that have to

read through

> Amybeth's garbate, and just want to say that a personal attack

like this has

> never happened before, and we are usually a list to never

dispute.... (please

> don't leave!)

Uh Excuse me but how long have you been on this list.....there

have been many disputes and I won't be painted as the worst

one either......

You are a trip.......

peace

AmyBeth-who stands firm in her Beliefs and will give Darcy what

she wants.......

>

June 28, 2002

>

> Kerri

> who hates conflict and tried to smooth things over

> some...I hope it helped

>

Yes Kerri you did.......I always thought you did on other issues

and I think you did here too

peace

AmyBeth-who always felt she was on the same wavelength as

Kerri glad I am not losing her mind after all -- cuz I hate conflict

too and usualy avoid it .......

June 28, 2002

> I was trying to share a new level with you all....again Idid it

> hideously.....for that I am sorry I need to work on my delivery --

> hah breath out when you punch breah in when you retract.....

>

> peace

> AmyBeth-who will continue to try thoughy...yah'll didn't Break my

> Spirit

> just my heart.........

Amybeth, although I don't know you personally, I feel that you are a

good person. I do think you need to work on your " internet

interpersonal skills " though. You might not think you were harsh or

insulting, but on the receiver end I can attest that your message was

not very well received. I now understand that you were trying to get

us to think outside of our " usual " frame of mind... but you have to

realize that for a lot of us, this is really difficult, so you have

to be patient with us! :-)

Janick

June 28, 2002

> I've been on this list for about 2 years Amybeth and I know of 2

other

> disputes... One I can't even remember (but I know it

happenned...LOL) and the

> other one wasn't tooo long ago

They do happen infrequently, take you a little off guard, but are

thought provoking! Although I sometimes appreciate my " comfortable

passivity " a little too much, I find that an argument/dispute often

helps you realize things about yourself. Look on the bright side, it

HAS indeedly reactivated this list!!! :-)

Janick

who tries to see the lighter side of things in life, and in doing so

remains optimistic

June 28, 2002

One last thing I want to state... I haven't been attempting to take

sides (I just hate that!!). I've always been an advocate of stating

opinions (the more divergent the better), because this is what makes

us " richer " as human beings. Nuff said now! :-)

Janick

June 28, 2002

> >

> Amybeth, although I don't know you personally, I feel that you

are a

> good person. I do think you need to work on your " internet

> interpersonal skills " though. You might not think you were

harsh or

> insulting, but on the receiver end I can attest that your

message was

> not very well received. I now understand that you were trying to

get

> us to think outside of our " usual " frame of mind... but you have

to

> realize that for a lot of us, this is really difficult, so you have

> to be patient with us! :-)

>

> Janick

Thank you Janick.......I appreciate your criticisim and you are right

I do need to work on my skills at delivery and be more patient

you did hit home there.....right on as usual.....I have admitted that

before though which is why I usually lurk.....I took a jab at trying to

get yah'll to step out of the box just as you said .....they use that

term alot these days here in America.....fortunately.....i have

always been an out of the boxer and I have always struggled with

my Purpose for TaeBoing..i like some one said have ahard time

with the 'FIGHTING' part of it.....I originally used TaeBo for Low

Self Esteen -- created by an abusive military father and an

uncommunicative mother......among other things....but I have

never been secure.....so I tried to be a leader....and I failed...i will

rework my delivery -- keep me on my Guard please.

peace

AmyBeth-who always responds to positive critisicm well

Thanks......

June 28, 2002

so I tried to be a leader....and I failed...i will

> rework my delivery -- keep me on my Guard please.

> peace

> AmyBeth-who always responds to positive critisicm well

> Thanks......

It's not because you made a faux-pas that you failed! A good leader

has to realize that they will take small steps back in order to take

big leaps forward! Chin up and have a great day! :-)

One last thing, but I value EVERYONE's opinion here (but I think I

already mentionned that) and have always been grateful for the lack

of censorship on this list (the only censorship I agree to is SPAM!)

Janick

June 29, 2002

Elena did not post to this group that she

> was leaving, so no one could respond to her. She sent

> me a private e-mail. I was very upset about her

> decision and e-mailed her immediately. I told her

> that I thought she should stay on the list and was a

> great asset whether she ever could tae-bo again. I

> urged her to stay. She said she felt it was best for

> her to unsubscribe. I think being part of a tae-bo

> list was too painful of a reminder to her of the

> changes her back problems have made in her life (my

> opinion only, she didn't say this, but I inferred it

> from the rest of her post). She said she made the

> decision to leave for herself, not based on anything

> she felt from others on the list, vibes about the

> types of posts, etc. It seemed to me, she was just

> ready to move forward with her life. She seemed very

> positive about the whole thing and while I was sorry

> to see her go, I saw it as a positive step she was

> taking for herself.

Yes, Kerri, I agree with that perception as well, as I received the

same e-mail.

Sandie, Tae and Bo who hates to see anyone leave, but understands how

much it would hurt when you can't do something you absolutely love.

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