Re: how not to feel drowned by the turnaround

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Dear Nowhawk

I know what you mean.

The mind tend to skip the proccess and reach the " buttom line "

(the turn around)

I have a question to you:

What happens to you, has you get to the Turn Arounds, faster than you

should " ?

Do you feel relief?

Cause there is no right way to do the work.

I have no advice to offer you

Sorry, T

-- how not to feel drowned by the turnaround

Hello everybody,

I'm Nowhawk.

Thank you for the information in this group.

I have a questions.

Since a few mounths, I have been doing the work quite frequently.

Now it goses smoother.

However, when I sit to write down a worksheet, I have a difficulty.

As soon as a thought coems:

" I am angry at... because ... " etc.

I censure myself for I see immediately the turnaround.

It kind of short circuits the 4 queqtions process.

Has anyone an idea to help me become a neginner again?

Thank you,

Nowhawk.

[Guest guest]

>

Hello,

I certainly don't have any answers...AND I too experience my

mind " running the show " including running " the work " . I think that

is the discussion about " The Wrong Turn " that is in progress at this

time with . Some interesting information there.

I follow the faciliation sheet that I received in the Round Robin

group verbatim and answer all of the questions even when my mind

tries to convince me that I can skip this question or I've already

answered that question. I also close my eyes a lot, and go into the

place that I call my center, a spot between my heart and spine and

focus my attention there and just wait. Sometimes an answer will

appear and sometimes it won't.

In the past, I have attended the 12 step program. From there, I

received the information that the mind (ego) is sly

I am also doing the work on the Doing-The-Work yahoo group. This

gives me witnesses and people who will give me feedback.

Blessings on us all,

beth

> Hello everybody,

>

> I'm Nowhawk.

> Thank you for the information in this group.

>

> I have a questions.

>

> Since a few mounths, I have been doing the work quite frequently.

> Now it goses smoother.

>

> However, when I sit to write down a worksheet, I have a difficulty.

> As soon as a thought coems:

> " I am angry at... because ... " etc.

> I censure myself for I see immediately the turnaround.

> It kind of short circuits the 4 queqtions process.

>

> Has anyone an idea to help me become a neginner again?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Nowhawk.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello everybody,

>

> I'm Nowhawk.

> Thank you for the information in this group.

>

> I have a questions.

>

> Since a few mounths, I have been doing the work quite frequently.

> Now it goses smoother.

>

> However, when I sit to write down a worksheet, I have a difficulty.

> As soon as a thought coems:

> " I am angry at... because ... " etc.

> I censure myself for I see immediately the turnaround.

> It kind of short circuits the 4 queqtions process.

>

> Has anyone an idea to help me become a neginner again?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Nowhawk.

Hello Nowhawk,

I would suggest going through the entire process anyway, even when

your mind tries to short circuit it by jumping in with the

turnaround. I have found that my mind does this also. As

says, the mind can be tricky and the questions are what educate us

as to the effects of our thinking ~ jumping to the turn around does

not educate us in anyway or help us to see how our thinking creates

the reality we are experiencing. Remember, the work is meditation.

Sitting with the answers that arise to all of the questions, as well

as FEELING how the turn around is as true or truer shows me how the

oppositite polarity of my stressful thought may also be true. This

almost never fails to open me up to new possibilities, and shows me

how it is always my thinking, rather than my circumstances that

cause the pain/stress i experience. Trust the process...dont be

fooled by the 'I know mind' that would try to short circuit the

process and tell you that you dont need to sit with it, you already

know the answer. In my experience, I have always benefited from

going with the entire process of inquiry even when my mind has

jumped in time and time again with the turn around. I notice it,

and carry on with the questions. For me, that is where the peace

comes from, and the power of inquiry.

Good luck,

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nowhawk,

so, you already have the turnaround.

How does it feel?

And now, go to question no. 1.

And do the work from there, with your original thought.

And when you get to the turnaround, notice whether you sense a

difference to the former one.

Just to notice what difference you can sense between immediate

turnaround and the turnaround after investigation.

Love,

>> Hello everybody,

>>

>> I'm Nowhawk.

>> Thank you for the information in this group.

>>

>> I have a questions.

>>

>> Since a few mounths, I have been doing the work quite frequently.

>> Now it goses smoother.

>>

>> However, when I sit to write down a worksheet, I have a difficulty.

>> As soon as a thought coems:

>> " I am angry at... because ... " etc.

>> I censure myself for I see immediately the turnaround.

>> It kind of short circuits the 4 queqtions process.

>>

>> Has anyone an idea to help me become a neginner again?

>>

>> Thank you,

>>

>> Nowhawk.

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>

> However, when I sit to write down a worksheet, I have a difficulty.

> As soon as a thought coems:

> " I am angry at... because ... " etc.

> I censure myself for I see immediately the turnaround.

> It kind of short circuits the 4 queqtions process.

>

> Has anyone an idea to help me become a neginner again?

>

> Thank you,

>

Hi Nowhawk,

Yes, the simplicity of the Work can so easily lead one to quickly skip

over the questions. The solution? Give your mind something meatier to

deal with. Here is where the latest work in Cognitive psychology can

be so helpful and illuminating. A mistaken thought is the cause of

your painful feelings so lets explore that in some depth. For example,

if I have the stressful thought " I am going to die of cancer. " Just

asking is it true or even can I absolutely know that it is true will

not take me very far, because a " yes " , " no " or " I don't know " does not

explore the nature of the error in the thought. That thought " I am

going to die of cancer. " is an example of a cognitive distortion known

as fortune telling. It's as if I have a crystal ball in front of me

and I can clearly see myself dying of cancer. I believe what I see so

this makes me very afraid. Now that I understand the error that I am

making, asking " is it true? " brings me back to reality. The truth is

that I am not a fortune teller and I have NO way of knowing how I am

going to die. Seeing this clearly makes it obvious that the original

thought is a lie. The reality is that I have no idea how I am going to

die!

Dr. Burns identifies ten types of cognitive distortions which

cause all our suffering (http://www.feelinggood.com/). If you

incorporate an understanding of these distortions into your Inquiry,

not only will it give you a deeper understanding of the mental black

magic you are caught up in, but it will slow the whole process down so

that a deeper state of clarity is reached.

Have a beautiful day

" Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer, ever,

ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron

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[...]

>>Hi Nowhawk,

>>Yes, the simplicity of the Work can so easily lead one to quickly

skip over the questions. The solution? Give your mind something

meatier to deal with. Here is where the latest work in Cognitive

psychology can be so helpful and illuminating. A mistaken thought is

the cause of your painful feelings so lets explore that in some

depth. For example, if I have the stressful thought " I am going to

die of cancer. " Just asking is it true or even can I absolutely know

that it is true will not take me very far, because a " yes " , " no "

or " I don't know " does not explore the nature of the error in the

thought. That thought " I am going to die of cancer. " is an example

of a cognitive distortion known as fortune telling. It's as if I

have a crystal ball in front of me and I can clearly see myself

dying of cancer. I believe what I see so this makes me very afraid.

Now that I understand the error that I am making, asking " is it

true? " brings me back to reality. The truth is that I am not a

fortune teller and I have NO way of knowing how I am going to die.

Seeing this clearly makes it obvious that the original

thought is a lie. The reality is that I have no idea how I am going

to die!

Thanks for this Very Timely Message, LTW!

One of my dear friend was recently (about a

month back) was diagnsoed with stage 2-3

breas cancer. She is about 33 years of age and

just had an adorable baby girl.

Her breasts are removed and now, according

to doctors she has to through chemotherapy

(and possibly even worse) for about 2-4 years.

She told me that she feels very depressed

at times and is looking for a way out. She

asked me for suggestions. And, I am asking

you.

Do you have any?

She has no background in " work " , spirituality

or psychology.

She used to be very cheerful, lively, positive

and fun-loving person and her husband is a great

guy - very positive and full of energy, optimism

and enthusiasm.

[...]

>> Have a beautiful day

================================================

>> " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? "

~ Byron

There is no differance between theory

and parctice... " in theory " .

~someone else

No one can be transcedented forever.

~Byron

================================================

PS: My advice to my friend would be to STOP

" resisting " 'depression'!

Allow 'depression' to completely and 'willingly'

overtake you. Welcome it with open arms. Expereince

it, see it, feel all of it, every bit of it. This

is a wonderful opportunity! Whon knows, when again

you will get 'depressed'! Who knows when again you

will have opportunity to see 'depression' this closely,

feel it this intricately! See it, see all its fibers,

all its fabrics...

Do it at least for half an hour. Do it without

'mentaly' 'commenting'. Just see how it looks

without you trying to 'itrepret' it. Once you

do that then please let me know... exactly what it

is!

There is absolutely no reason to 'resist' it!

It is Absoultely Fine to be 'depressed'!

And, it is absolutely fine to curse God...

just do it Whole Heartedly, FULLY, Completely,

All Out... and, then tell me how it feels...

There is NO reason to try to 'escape'

'depression'...

Allow yourself to be Depressed All Over...

just do it 'willingly', stay fully 'conscious'

while you do it... and, see where it takes you!

You might be in for a Suprise!

----

When there is No Way Out...

Turn Within...

[and, you might 'pass thru'!]

Thru my severe 'no acceptance', I found

my way to Acceptance!

[Guest guest]

Thank you ,

Your idea is interesting. I will give time to try your it.

Nowhawk.

>

> Dear Nowhawk,

>

> so, you already have the turnaround.

>

> How does it feel?

>

> And now, go to question no. 1.

> And do the work from there, with your original thought.

> And when you get to the turnaround, notice whether you sense a

> difference to the former one.

>

> Just to notice what difference you can sense between immediate

> turnaround and the turnaround after investigation.

>

> Love,

>

>

> >> Hello everybody,

> >>

> >> I'm Nowhawk.

> >> Thank you for the information in this group.

> >>

> >> I have a questions.

> >>

> >> Since a few mounths, I have been doing the work quite frequently.

> >> Now it goses smoother.

> >>

> >> However, when I sit to write down a worksheet, I have a difficulty.

> >> As soon as a thought coems:

> >> " I am angry at... because ... " etc.

> >> I censure myself for I see immediately the turnaround.

> >> It kind of short circuits the 4 queqtions process.

> >>

> >> Has anyone an idea to help me become a neginner again?

> >>

> >> Thank you,

> >>

> >> Nowhawk.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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AC

My sister had breast cancer about 5 years or more ago and she

is totally healthy.. today.. cancer free for many years.

IT is so common im sure there are many who can say the same thing..

so I hope your friend meets some people.. there are many cancer

support groups. And im sure she has been refered..

still it must not be an easy thing to deal with.

some say you appreciate life more.. I dont know.

best wishes, rh

>

> [...]

>

>

> >>Hi Nowhawk,

>

> >>Yes, the simplicity of the Work can so easily lead one to quickly

> skip over the questions. The solution? Give your mind something

> meatier to deal with. Here is where the latest work in Cognitive

> psychology can be so helpful and illuminating. A mistaken thought

is

> the cause of your painful feelings so lets explore that in some

> depth. For example, if I have the stressful thought " I am going to

> die of cancer. " Just asking is it true or even can I absolutely

know

> that it is true will not take me very far, because a " yes " , " no "

> or " I don't know " does not explore the nature of the error in the

> thought. That thought " I am going to die of cancer. " is an example

> of a cognitive distortion known as fortune telling. It's as if I

> have a crystal ball in front of me and I can clearly see myself

> dying of cancer. I believe what I see so this makes me very afraid.

> Now that I understand the error that I am making, asking " is it

> true? " brings me back to reality. The truth is that I am not a

> fortune teller and I have NO way of knowing how I am going to die.

> Seeing this clearly makes it obvious that the original

> thought is a lie. The reality is that I have no idea how I am going

> to die!

>

>

> Thanks for this Very Timely Message, LTW!

>

> One of my dear friend was recently (about a

> month back) was diagnsoed with stage 2-3

> breas cancer. She is about 33 years of age and

> just had an adorable baby girl.

>

> Her breasts are removed and now, according

> to doctors she has to through chemotherapy

> (and possibly even worse) for about 2-4 years.

>

> She told me that she feels very depressed

> at times and is looking for a way out. She

> asked me for suggestions. And, I am asking

> you.

>

> Do you have any?

>

> She has no background in " work " , spirituality

> or psychology.

>

> She used to be very cheerful, lively, positive

> and fun-loving person and her husband is a great

> guy - very positive and full of energy, optimism

> and enthusiasm.

>

>

> [...]

>

>

> >> Have a beautiful day

>

>

> ================================================

>

> >> " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

> ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? "

>

> ~ Byron

>

>

> There is no differance between theory

> and parctice... " in theory " .

>

> ~someone else

>

>

> No one can be transcedented forever.

>

> ~Byron

>

>

> ================================================

>

>

>

> PS: My advice to my friend would be to STOP

> " resisting " 'depression'!

>

> Allow 'depression' to completely and 'willingly'

> overtake you. Welcome it with open arms. Expereince

> it, see it, feel all of it, every bit of it. This

> is a wonderful opportunity! Whon knows, when again

> you will get 'depressed'! Who knows when again you

> will have opportunity to see 'depression' this closely,

> feel it this intricately! See it, see all its fibers,

> all its fabrics...

>

> Do it at least for half an hour. Do it without

> 'mentaly' 'commenting'. Just see how it looks

> without you trying to 'itrepret' it. Once you

> do that then please let me know... exactly what it

> is!

>

>

> There is absolutely no reason to 'resist' it!

>

> It is Absoultely Fine to be 'depressed'!

>

> And, it is absolutely fine to curse God...

> just do it Whole Heartedly, FULLY, Completely,

> All Out... and, then tell me how it feels...

>

>

> There is NO reason to try to 'escape'

> 'depression'...

>

> Allow yourself to be Depressed All Over...

> just do it 'willingly', stay fully 'conscious'

> while you do it... and, see where it takes you!

>

>

> You might be in for a Suprise!

>

>

>

> ----

>

>

> When there is No Way Out...

> Turn Within...

>

> [and, you might 'pass thru'!]

>

>

>

>

>

> Thru my severe 'no acceptance', I found

> my way to Acceptance!

>