Re: The brushing teeth thing...

[Guest guest]

When Mom struggled with brushing, I started to take her more often to the

dentist for a cleaning. It became every 2-3 months. While this isn't the best

, it was better than none and maybe the Dentist, with a forwarn, can let her

know she needs to brush more often.

He can even give her a new brush and show her how again.

Might work?

Hugs,

Donna R

Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in

a nh.

She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

The brushing teeth thing...

The unfortunate problem about Grandma's teeth issue is she THINKS she's already

doing it

right! She refuses to use mouth wash and she won't put those little pink foam

things in her

mouth. She takes the toothbrush and puts soap on it or toothpaste then scrubs

her hands

with it or scrubs the sink with it or rubs it on her hands or rubs it together

with her hair

brush. It never gets anywhere near her mouth. But when I try to help or gently

correct her

she gets angry and either says " I already did it! " or " Listen missy, I've been

doing this since

before you were born! leave me alone! " or " I AM brushing my teeth! " I can't

convince her to

try it my way or a different way. She thinks how she is doing it is the way its

supposed to be

done and thats all there is to it.

I don't know what it is but she's getting more and more angry/mean/belligerent

about that

and everything else lately. We've had her tested for UTI and she is clear.

Thats why I'm so

worried about the teeth thing. I'm really wondering if the bacteria build up in

her mouth is

contributing to her bad attitude lately.

Emma

[Guest guest]

yes, that will be the next step. I was thinking even trying to get her in once

a month.

We'd have to see if I could sneak that by her though. Her memory is usually

terrible at this

point but its amazing the few random things she will latch onto and remember!

;-)

>

> When Mom struggled with brushing, I started to take her more often to the

dentist for a

cleaning. It became every 2-3 months. While this isn't the best , it was

better than none

and maybe the Dentist, with a forwarn, can let her know she needs to brush more

often.

>

> He can even give her a new brush and show her how again.

>

> Might work?

>

> Hugs,

>

> Donna R

>

> Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year

in a nh.

> She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

>

>

> The brushing teeth thing...

>

> The unfortunate problem about Grandma's teeth issue is she THINKS she's

already doing

it

> right! She refuses to use mouth wash and she won't put those little pink foam

things in

her

> mouth. She takes the toothbrush and puts soap on it or toothpaste then scrubs

her

hands

> with it or scrubs the sink with it or rubs it on her hands or rubs it together

with her hair

> brush. It never gets anywhere near her mouth. But when I try to help or

gently correct

her

> she gets angry and either says " I already did it! " or " Listen missy, I've been

doing this

since

> before you were born! leave me alone! " or " I AM brushing my teeth! " I can't

convince

her to

> try it my way or a different way. She thinks how she is doing it is the way

its supposed

to be

> done and thats all there is to it.

> I don't know what it is but she's getting more and more angry/mean/belligerent

about

that

> and everything else lately. We've had her tested for UTI and she is clear.

Thats why I'm

so

> worried about the teeth thing. I'm really wondering if the bacteria build up

in her mouth

is

> contributing to her bad attitude lately.

> Emma

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One of the problems with LBD is that the LO can't be taught anything. Their

minds do not grasp it.

Love a bunch,

Imogene

In a message dated 12/28/2007 9:28:42 AM Central Standard Time,

twomido@... writes:

When Mom struggled with brushing, I started to take her more often to the

dentist for a cleaning. It became every 2-3 months. While this isn't the best

, it was better than none and maybe the Dentist, with a forwarn, can let her

know she needs to brush more often.

He can even give her a new brush and show her how again.

Might work?

Hugs,

Donna R

Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th

year in a nh.

She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

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[Guest guest]

Absolutely on their remembering once in a while, Something out of the blue

of all the forgetfulness!

Love a lot,

Imogene

In a message dated 12/28/2007 9:47:48 AM Central Standard Time,

emsyfay@... writes:

yes, that will be the next step. I was thinking even trying to get her in

once a month.

We'd have to see if I could sneak that by her though. Her memory is usually

terrible at this

point but its amazing the few random things she will latch onto and

remember! ;-)

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[Guest guest]

Okay, i am glad you are not holding the bag here, and that everyone

is on the same page. too often, the folks in leftfield are there to

throw 20/20 hindsight monkey wrenches into the game on Monday

mornings. You got all that, right? So, at least that is not the

case with your family.

I am thinking maybe frosting some of the breath-freshening dog bones

with Scope flavored frosting. Lay out a pretty plate, and see what

happens.

You obviously have done all of the things we might have suggested,

and we do know about brushing the sink, knuckles, and hair, and

calling it " done " .

So, I am thinking the dog treats for dental health. You are

interested in removing plaque, and you can't get the brush in. And

who knows, she may then roll over and want her tummy scratched.

Or, inject a little Scope into a grape.

would she chew on a washcloth? What might she do with a teething toy?

You get the points today for stumping the panel. You have already

tried a plethora of ideas, so now we will play with the ridiculous

while granny's teeth deteriorate.

At least Millie's teeth come out, so I can clean them while she is

sleeping.

Would grandma chew some sugarless gum?

and, finally....At least an elephant isn't likely to take a dump in

her mouth!

i am trying here!

OXOX,

Carol

>

> The unfortunate problem about Grandma's teeth issue is she THINKS

she's already doing it

> right! She refuses to use mouth wash and she won't put those

little pink foam things in her

> mouth. She takes the toothbrush and puts soap on it or toothpaste

then scrubs her hands

> with it or scrubs the sink with it or rubs it on her hands or rubs

it together with her hair

> brush. It never gets anywhere near her mouth. But when I try to

help or gently correct her

> she gets angry and either says " I already did it! " or " Listen

missy, I've been doing this since

> before you were born! leave me alone! " or " I AM brushing my

teeth! " I can't convince her to

> try it my way or a different way. She thinks how she is doing it

is the way its supposed to be

> done and thats all there is to it.

> I don't know what it is but she's getting more and more

angry/mean/belligerent about that

> and everything else lately. We've had her tested for UTI and she

is clear. Thats why I'm so

> worried about the teeth thing. I'm really wondering if the

bacteria build up in her mouth is

> contributing to her bad attitude lately.

> Emma

>

[Guest guest]

After laughing my way through Carol, and I agree Ron, lets hope she doesn't

charge for it, I thought of one more I might try.

If she thinks she has brushed already, I wonder what she would do if you told

her she missed a big black spot!

If she is at all vain, she might try again?

Hugs,

Donna R

Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in

a nh.

She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

Re: The brushing teeth thing...

Okay, i am glad you are not holding the bag here, and that everyone

is on the same page. too often, the folks in leftfield are there to

throw 20/20 hindsight monkey wrenches into the game on Monday

mornings. You got all that, right? So, at least that is not the

case with your family.

I am thinking maybe frosting some of the breath-freshening dog bones

with Scope flavored frosting. Lay out a pretty plate, and see what

happens.

You obviously have done all of the things we might have suggested,

and we do know about brushing the sink, knuckles, and hair, and

calling it " done " .

So, I am thinking the dog treats for dental health. You are

interested in removing plaque, and you can't get the brush in. And

who knows, she may then roll over and want her tummy scratched.

Or, inject a little Scope into a grape.

would she chew on a washcloth? What might she do with a teething toy?

You get the points today for stumping the panel. You have already

tried a plethora of ideas, so now we will play with the ridiculous

while granny's teeth deteriorate.

At least Millie's teeth come out, so I can clean them while she is

sleeping.

Would grandma chew some sugarless gum?

and, finally....At least an elephant isn't likely to take a dump in

her mouth!

i am trying here!

OXOX,

Carol

>

> The unfortunate problem about Grandma's teeth issue is she THINKS

she's already doing it

> right! She refuses to use mouth wash and she won't put those

little pink foam things in her

> mouth. She takes the toothbrush and puts soap on it or toothpaste

then scrubs her hands

> with it or scrubs the sink with it or rubs it on her hands or rubs

it together with her hair

> brush. It never gets anywhere near her mouth. But when I try to

help or gently correct her

> she gets angry and either says " I already did it! " or " Listen

missy, I've been doing this since

> before you were born! leave me alone! " or " I AM brushing my

teeth! " I can't convince her to

> try it my way or a different way. She thinks how she is doing it

is the way its supposed to be

> done and thats all there is to it.

> I don't know what it is but she's getting more and more

angry/mean/belligerent about that

> and everything else lately. We've had her tested for UTI and she

is clear. Thats why I'm so

> worried about the teeth thing. I'm really wondering if the

bacteria build up in her mouth is

> contributing to her bad attitude lately.

> Emma

>

[Guest guest]

Emma, just a thought. It sounds like your grandmother doesn't want to put

anything into

her mouth. Perhaps she has a toothache, needs some kind of dental attention?

>

> The unfortunate problem about Grandma's teeth issue is she THINKS she's

already doing

it

> right! She refuses to use mouth wash and she won't put those little pink foam

things in

her

> mouth. She takes the toothbrush and puts soap on it or toothpaste then scrubs

her

hands

> with it or scrubs the sink with it or rubs it on her hands or rubs it together

with her hair

> brush. It never gets anywhere near her mouth. But when I try to help or

gently correct

her

> she gets angry and either says " I already did it! " or " Listen missy, I've been

doing this

since

> before you were born! leave me alone! " or " I AM brushing my teeth! " I can't

convince

her to

> try it my way or a different way. She thinks how she is doing it is the way

its supposed

to be

> done and thats all there is to it.

> I don't know what it is but she's getting more and more angry/mean/belligerent

about

that

> and everything else lately. We've had her tested for UTI and she is clear.

Thats why I'm

so

> worried about the teeth thing. I'm really wondering if the bacteria build up

in her mouth

is

> contributing to her bad attitude lately.

> Emma

>

[Guest guest]

The hygenist is typically the most busy at the dentist's office, and the

appointments kind of circle around them.

Call your dentist and explain the situation, and that maybe the full cleaning

is not so necessary, but if an assistant might be able to do a little scrubbing

and scraping and not take up the hygentist's time every visit.

We can't be the only ones to have ever had this problem.

My bigger worry is that Millie would not behave at the dentist's office

either.

My son hates to work on his grandma, and is delighted we can send the teeth in

a box.

God help us if they ever had to do impressions on Millie again.

Do you have a water pick? Would she play with it, or just sqirt the

messenger?

Carol

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[Guest guest]

I know that having a dog's teeth cleaned can almost change the dog's

personality.

You may be absolutely right about the bacteria bothering her.

How about acidophilus? If she ever eats again the acidophilus would

at least help with the good bateria, and maybe wipe out some of the

bad.

I liked the idea of saying there was something caught in her teeth.

and I think the thought about not wanting anything in her mouth is

right on the money as well.

Is the swallowing reflex startingto fail?

Millie sometimes has a rough time with her pills, even though it

isn't the size of the pill that seems to choke her.

What about the Listerine strips? they dissove very quickly and would

kill bacteria.

they put dogs under to clean their teeth, but our Lewies are so

sensitive to drugs, that you can't even take grandma to the vet for

a cleaning.

What could you wrap a Listerine strip around that she might insert

into her mouth?

None of this is funny, I know, and you just happen to have a non-life-

threatening problem that begs 2 cents from me at every thought.

XOXO,

Carol

> >

> > The unfortunate problem about Grandma's teeth issue is she THINKS

she's already doing

> it

> > right! She refuses to use mouth wash and she won't put those

little pink foam things in

> her

> > mouth. She takes the toothbrush and puts soap on it or

toothpaste then scrubs her

> hands

> > with it or scrubs the sink with it or rubs it on her hands or

rubs it together with her hair

> > brush. It never gets anywhere near her mouth. But when I try to

help or gently correct

> her

> > she gets angry and either says " I already did it! " or " Listen

missy, I've been doing this

> since

> > before you were born! leave me alone! " or " I AM brushing my

teeth! " I can't convince

> her to

> > try it my way or a different way. She thinks how she is doing it

is the way its supposed

> to be

> > done and thats all there is to it.

> > I don't know what it is but she's getting more and more

angry/mean/belligerent about

> that

> > and everything else lately. We've had her tested for UTI and she

is clear. Thats why I'm

> so

> > worried about the teeth thing. I'm really wondering if the

bacteria build up in her mouth

> is

> > contributing to her bad attitude lately.

> > Emma

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting Millie would not behave at the dentist's office, especially if he

was her

grandson. Even when Mom was low with a UTI and eye infection from not opening

them,

not eating much, I scheduled her for a dental checkup with the travelling

dentist who

visited her nh. She was basically unresponsive at the time, but when I asked if

she wanted

to have a checkup she responded yes. I wheeled her to the appointment, warned

them it

was highly unlikely she would respond, and then on cue the mouth opened wider

than

imagined and her dental cleaning/checkup was done! She had always been very

proactive

with tooth care. It was important and broke through the fog right to the end.

At 92 she

died with her own teeth, albeit broken and decayed, without pain, thankfully.

>

> The hygenist is typically the most busy at the dentist's office, and the

appointments

kind of circle around them.

>

> Call your dentist and explain the situation, and that maybe the full

cleaning is not so

necessary, but if an assistant might be able to do a little scrubbing and

scraping and not

take up the hygentist's time every visit.

>

> We can't be the only ones to have ever had this problem.

>

> My bigger worry is that Millie would not behave at the dentist's office

either.

>

> My son hates to work on his grandma, and is delighted we can send the teeth

in a box.

>

> God help us if they ever had to do impressions on Millie again.

>

> Do you have a water pick? Would she play with it, or just sqirt the

messenger?

>

> Carol

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Are you kidding me Carol?!?!? This is HILARIOUS!

Then again I've been out having drinks with an old

friend from high school and most things are funny

right now.

I hadn't thought of the acidophilus, the listerine

strips, or telling her she has a big icky thing in her

teeth! Those are new things to try after I sleep in

tomorrow and spend the day snuggling with my kitty. I

DOOO love Saturdays. My day to stay in PJs and be

responsible for nothing but what I (ME ME ME!!!) want

to do.

Never in my life did I EVER think that the functions

of someone else's bowels and bacteria would have such

an impact on my life. From the distance of a few

beers it really is a stitch!

Emma

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[Guest guest]

There was something about the dentist and Mom, who hadn't ever been to a strange

dentist until she came to live with me, would " open wide. " Even while she was

in the NH and the dentist came in.

I think she prized her teeth and that is long term memory not short term.

Hugs,

Donna R

Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in

a nh.

She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

Re: The brushing teeth thing...

The hygenist is typically the most busy at the dentist's office, and the

appointments kind of circle around them.

Call your dentist and explain the situation, and that maybe the full cleaning

is not so necessary, but if an assistant might be able to do a little scrubbing

and scraping and not take up the hygentist's time every visit.

We can't be the only ones to have ever had this problem.

My bigger worry is that Millie would not behave at the dentist's office

either.

My son hates to work on his grandma, and is delighted we can send the teeth in

a box.

God help us if they ever had to do impressions on Millie again.

Do you have a water pick? Would she play with it, or just sqirt the

messenger?

Carol

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[Guest guest]

oh emma -- soooo glad you got out to have some fun -- and KNOW just what you

mean by NEVER expecting that bacteria/bowels would have SUCH an impact on you.

lol -- i know EXACTLY what you mean. wrote to a friend earlier today that 2007

had been the year bm's had become central to my life.

xoxo

anna

Re: The brushing teeth thing...

Are you kidding me Carol?!?!? This is HILARIOUS!

Then again I've been out having drinks with an old

friend from high school and most things are funny

right now.

I hadn't thought of the acidophilus, the listerine

strips, or telling her she has a big icky thing in her

teeth! Those are new things to try after I sleep in

tomorrow and spend the day snuggling with my kitty. I

DOOO love Saturdays. My day to stay in PJs and be

responsible for nothing but what I (ME ME ME!!!) want

to do.

Never in my life did I EVER think that the functions

of someone else's bowels and bacteria would have such

an impact on my life. From the distance of a few

beers it really is a stitch!

Emma

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