Re: Are people 'important'? Do people 'matter'?

[Guest guest]

[...]

> Do I matter?

To whom?

> Am I important?

To whom?

> What about before I ever heard of

> those things, before they ever entered my mind?

You are not important, then?

Are you important when you are 'aslpeep'?

To whom, why, what for ... will you be 'important'

when you are 'asleep'? Would it even matter [to you]

whether you are important or not?

IOW... it is all in my mind/thinking whether

I am important or not.

>

> Whadayathink?

> Your opinions and views on this matters to me, as of

> this moment anyway.

Sure

> Who knows if it will by the time I read your

> response.

Sure

>

Yes... in my mind only

, you need to take responsibility for your

life You need to learn discipline, focus

and mental strength for your own good

And, your good is our and universe's good

Does that matter to you

Working with discipline is more important

to you that doing and learning work

IOW... what I am really saying is:

working with discipline is far more important

to me than spirituality And, I think you

are like me so I project it onto you.

Regards,

ac

[Guest guest]

,

Like yourself, matters to me, as do her words which I find quite profound

at times.

I remember someone doing the Work on friends should not tell lies. finally

said to her, If you think friends should not tell lies, then you should not be a

liar. What they do is their business. Your business is living the way you think

is appropriate.

It really all just comes down to the old Golden Rule, Do unto others as you

would have others do unto you.

So in your case, should not make noise late at night. She should not arrive

at work hungover. She should do her work to the best of her ability. The rest of

it (what others do) is outside your control and not your business.

The payoff is you get to be happy with yourself for living the way your deem to

be appropriate. And maybe, just maybe, some of your co workers will notice. But

don't count on it.

Vivian

Are people 'important'? Do people 'matter'?

I wrote recently of my boss sitting me down and letting me know my

behavior was not acceptable to her, in regards to my frustrations

with fellow staff and how I handled conflict.

A few times when she spoke, she said ', all the people here are

important. Everyone here matters.' I didn't say anything, just sat

there, trying to just stay present, as another part of me so wanted

to flee, feeling like I was a bad child being reprimanded and

unloved.

So I didn't respond to her saying everyone mattered, everyone was

important, I just sat there, like a deer caught in headlights. I

didn't reply with a 'well of course I know and agree everyone

matters, everyone's important.'

And I've been thinking about it since, do people matter? Are we all

important? What the hell does that even mean?

I think perhaps it pertains to how we're to treat each other, if

another person matters in my view, do I treat them differently?

Better? More reverentally? Do I see a street bum as mattering less

(no, not that population, I've lived on the streets, I kinda like

street people). But politicians, models, yeah, I think there are

some populations of people I might see as 'less than.'

I sure think Byron matters, I see her as having more value

than some people, definitely got a story running around her.

Do my coworkers/cohabitants see me as mattering? They know I like

it quiet for sleeping at night, but they still party loudly and late

at times. I could come up with lots of examples of how, to me, I or

others show respect or disrespect. Like in the staff housing area, I

don't let doors slam shut at night, so I think I'm being respectful.

Others do let them slam shut, as it doesn't matter to them, and it

bothers me some times.

Doors slamming shut, noise matters to me. Hmm, noise matters, is

that true? Ouch, definitely some investigating in that area I could

do.

Do I matter? Am I important? What about before I ever heard of

those things, before they ever entered my mind?

Whadayathink? Your opinions and views on this matters to me, as of

this moment anyway. Who knows if it will by the time I read your

response.

Does that matter to you?

[Guest guest]

I wrote recently of my boss sitting me down and letting me know my

behavior was not acceptable to her, in regards to my frustrations

with fellow staff and how I handled conflict.

A few times when she spoke, she said ', all the people here are

important. Everyone here matters.' I didn't say anything, just sat

there, trying to just stay present, as another part of me so wanted

to flee, feeling like I was a bad child being reprimanded and

unloved.

[FCB] Good for you.

So I didn't respond to her saying everyone mattered, everyone was

important, I just sat there, like a deer caught in headlights. I

didn't reply with a 'well of course I know and agree everyone

matters, everyone's important.'

And I've been thinking about it since, do people matter? Are we all

important? What the hell does that even mean?

[FCB] " Wisdom tells me that I am nothing. Love tells me that I am

everything. Between the two my life flows. "

-Nisargadatta Maharaj

For there to be people who matter there must be people who don't matter. It

can't be any other way. And for either of those conditions to exist there

must be separation. Wholeness invalidates " other. " " Other " invalidates

Wholeness. The two are mutually exclusive. That's the thing to question. Is

there separation? And there is no right answer. The one that matters is

yours.

I think perhaps it pertains to how we're to treat each other, if

another person matters in my view, do I treat them differently?

Better? More reverentally? Do I see a street bum as mattering less

(no, not that population, I've lived on the streets, I kinda like

street people). But politicians, models, yeah, I think there are

some populations of people I might see as 'less than.'

I sure think Byron matters, I see her as having more value

than some people, definitely got a story running around her.

Do my coworkers/cohabitants see me as mattering? They know I like

it quiet for sleeping at night, but they still party loudly and late

at times. I could come up with lots of examples of how, to me, I or

others show respect or disrespect. Like in the staff housing area, I

don't let doors slam shut at night, so I think I'm being respectful.

Others do let them slam shut, as it doesn't matter to them, and it

bothers me some times.

Doors slamming shut, noise matters to me. Hmm, noise matters, is

that true? Ouch, definitely some investigating in that area I could

do.

Do I matter? Am I important? What about before I ever heard of

those things, before they ever entered my mind?

Whadayathink? Your opinions and views on this matters to me, as of

this moment anyway. Who knows if it will by the time I read your

response.

Does that matter to you?

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

When you are being " polite " ... do you expect something in return?

Or is that who you are?

Would you want anyone to give you less?

Love,

Am 03.08.2007 um 20:12 schrieb :

> I wrote recently of my boss sitting me down and letting me know my

> behavior was not acceptable to her, in regards to my frustrations

> with fellow staff and how I handled conflict.

>

> A few times when she spoke, she said ', all the people here are

> important. Everyone here matters.' I didn't say anything, just sat

> there, trying to just stay present, as another part of me so wanted

> to flee, feeling like I was a bad child being reprimanded and

> unloved.

>

> So I didn't respond to her saying everyone mattered, everyone was

> important, I just sat there, like a deer caught in headlights. I

> didn't reply with a 'well of course I know and agree everyone

> matters, everyone's important.'

>

> And I've been thinking about it since, do people matter? Are we all

> important? What the hell does that even mean?

>

> I think perhaps it pertains to how we're to treat each other, if

> another person matters in my view, do I treat them differently?

> Better? More reverentally? Do I see a street bum as mattering less

> (no, not that population, I've lived on the streets, I kinda like

> street people). But politicians, models, yeah, I think there are

> some populations of people I might see as 'less than.'

> I sure think Byron matters, I see her as having more value

> than some people, definitely got a story running around her.

>

> Do my coworkers/cohabitants see me as mattering? They know I like

> it quiet for sleeping at night, but they still party loudly and late

> at times. I could come up with lots of examples of how, to me, I or

> others show respect or disrespect. Like in the staff housing area, I

> don't let doors slam shut at night, so I think I'm being respectful.

> Others do let them slam shut, as it doesn't matter to them, and it

> bothers me some times.

>

> Doors slamming shut, noise matters to me. Hmm, noise matters, is

> that true? Ouch, definitely some investigating in that area I could

> do.

>

> Do I matter? Am I important? What about before I ever heard of

> those things, before they ever entered my mind?

>

> Whadayathink? Your opinions and views on this matters to me, as of

> this moment anyway. Who knows if it will by the time I read your

> response.

>

> Does that matter to you?

[Guest guest]

.. your important to me and to this group .

and you matter

does it matter your boss says everyone matters except

your opinion.

and that you can honestly complain but it will be ignored.

well i admit i wish your boss would change.. and i like to think

people should be nice.. damn it

but there is a saying if you dont mind it doesnt matter.

thats mind over matter.

i have trouble with it.. but with the work i think you will

overcome this latest challenge and opportunity to grow.

can you tell ive been to church today?

the pep talks.. rub off..

The brother said st teresa of avila was able to love a difficult nun

no one could stand.. she said she pretended to love her more

than anyone else on earth..to see god in her and when st teress died

this nun said well at least i made her happy..

te he..

he said in the ashram.. one of the guys studying prefered running to

playing basketball for recreation because he said basketball made

him angry.. and the brother said he was ordered by the older brother

to play basketball..

because he was not to avoid what he needed to overcome.

HE said he thought he had overcome anger but actually had set

his life up so he wouldnt be around people who made him angry

SAints are those who are agreeable when they wanted to be disagreeable..

silent when they wanted to talk

cheerful when it was difficult ,patient when it was difficult and

pushed on when they wanted to quit.

i am not a saint.. but i like to quote this stuff..

love roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " " wrote:

>

> I wrote recently of my boss sitting me down and letting me know my

> behavior was not acceptable to her, in regards to my frustrations

> with fellow staff and how I handled conflict.

>

> A few times when she spoke, she said ', all the people here are

> important. Everyone here matters.' I didn't say anything, just sat

> there, trying to just stay present, as another part of me so wanted

> to flee, feeling like I was a bad child being reprimanded and

> unloved.

>

> So I didn't respond to her saying everyone mattered, everyone was

> important, I just sat there, like a deer caught in headlights. I

> didn't reply with a 'well of course I know and agree everyone

> matters, everyone's important.'

>

> And I've been thinking about it since, do people matter? Are we all

> important? What the hell does that even mean?

>

> I think perhaps it pertains to how we're to treat each other, if

> another person matters in my view, do I treat them differently?

> Better? More reverentally? Do I see a street bum as mattering less

> (no, not that population, I've lived on the streets, I kinda like

> street people). But politicians, models, yeah, I think there are

> some populations of people I might see as 'less than.'

> I sure think Byron matters, I see her as having more value

> than some people, definitely got a story running around her.

>

> Do my coworkers/cohabitants see me as mattering? They know I like

> it quiet for sleeping at night, but they still party loudly and late

> at times. I could come up with lots of examples of how, to me, I or

> others show respect or disrespect. Like in the staff housing area, I

> don't let doors slam shut at night, so I think I'm being respectful.

> Others do let them slam shut, as it doesn't matter to them, and it

> bothers me some times.

>

> Doors slamming shut, noise matters to me. Hmm, noise matters, is

> that true? Ouch, definitely some investigating in that area I could

> do.

>

> Do I matter? Am I important? What about before I ever heard of

> those things, before they ever entered my mind?

>

> Whadayathink? Your opinions and views on this matters to me, as of

> this moment anyway. Who knows if it will by the time I read your

> response.

>

> Does that matter to you?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> I wrote recently of my boss sitting me down and letting me know my

> behavior was not acceptable to her, in regards to my frustrations

> with fellow staff and how I handled conflict.

>

> A few times when she spoke, she said ', all the people here are

> important. Everyone here matters.' I didn't say anything, just sat

> there, trying to just stay present, as another part of me so wanted

> to flee, feeling like I was a bad child being reprimanded and

> unloved.

What do you believe your boss should or shouldn't do?

And is it true?

> Do I matter? Am I important?

Do you need other people to validate you?

And if so, what should or shouldn't they do to do that?

And is it true?

> What about before I ever heard of

> those things, before they ever entered my mind?

I feel that is always an interesting thing to imagine.

Eva

[Guest guest]

Hi Roslyn,

> SAints are those who are agreeable when they wanted to be disagreeable..

> silent when they wanted to talk

> cheerful when it was difficult ,patient when it was difficult and

> pushed on when they wanted to quit.

>

In this definition I'm not a saint and I definitely don't want to be one...

My own focus is on being in my integrity, and to be disagreeable when

I want to be disagreeable and to quit when I want to quit.

Actually, I feel best when I don't experience a 'want' anymore, but

just am what I am, and do what I do.

Eva

> i am not a saint.. but i like to quote this stuff..

>

> love roslyn

>

>

> -- In Loving-what-is , " " wrote:

> >

> > I wrote recently of my boss sitting me down and letting me know my

> > behavior was not acceptable to her, in regards to my frustrations

> > with fellow staff and how I handled conflict.

> >

> > A few times when she spoke, she said ', all the people here are

> > important. Everyone here matters.' I didn't say anything, just sat

> > there, trying to just stay present, as another part of me so wanted

> > to flee, feeling like I was a bad child being reprimanded and

> > unloved.

> >

> > So I didn't respond to her saying everyone mattered, everyone was

> > important, I just sat there, like a deer caught in headlights. I

> > didn't reply with a 'well of course I know and agree everyone

> > matters, everyone's important.'

> >

> > And I've been thinking about it since, do people matter? Are we all

> > important? What the hell does that even mean?

> >

> > I think perhaps it pertains to how we're to treat each other, if

> > another person matters in my view, do I treat them differently?

> > Better? More reverentally? Do I see a street bum as mattering less

> > (no, not that population, I've lived on the streets, I kinda like

> > street people). But politicians, models, yeah, I think there are

> > some populations of people I might see as 'less than.'

> > I sure think Byron matters, I see her as having more value

> > than some people, definitely got a story running around her.

> >

> > Do my coworkers/cohabitants see me as mattering? They know I like

> > it quiet for sleeping at night, but they still party loudly and late

> > at times. I could come up with lots of examples of how, to me, I or

> > others show respect or disrespect. Like in the staff housing area, I

> > don't let doors slam shut at night, so I think I'm being respectful.

> > Others do let them slam shut, as it doesn't matter to them, and it

> > bothers me some times.

> >

> > Doors slamming shut, noise matters to me. Hmm, noise matters, is

> > that true? Ouch, definitely some investigating in that area I could

> > do.

> >

> > Do I matter? Am I important? What about before I ever heard of

> > those things, before they ever entered my mind?

> >

> > Whadayathink? Your opinions and views on this matters to me, as of

> > this moment anyway. Who knows if it will by the time I read your

> > response.

> >

> > Does that matter to you?

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i see what you mean.. wanting is arguing with what is..

yeah i guess a mother teresa could follow this..

and then another person might try and end up

killing someone in rage.. from keeping stuff inside

and repressing .

depending on where you are in consciousness.

ive never tried it.. i dont want to be a saint anyway

i guess if you do the work.. you get to a place where

you could be like a saint.. always at peace. with

others and the world..

i have a lot of work to do before i get there.

thanks roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " eva lobach " wrote:

>

> Hi Roslyn,

>

> > SAints are those who are agreeable when they wanted to be

disagreeable..

> > silent when they wanted to talk

> > cheerful when it was difficult ,patient when it was difficult and

> > pushed on when they wanted to quit.

> >

>

> In this definition I'm not a saint and I definitely don't want to be

one...

>

> My own focus is on being in my integrity, and to be disagreeable when

> I want to be disagreeable and to quit when I want to quit.

> Actually, I feel best when I don't experience a 'want' anymore, but

> just am what I am, and do what I do.

>

> Eva

>

>

> > i am not a saint.. but i like to quote this stuff..

> >

> > love roslyn

> >

> >

> > -- In Loving-what-is , " " <lukn4frnz@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I wrote recently of my boss sitting me down and letting me know my

> > > behavior was not acceptable to her, in regards to my frustrations

> > > with fellow staff and how I handled conflict.

> > >

> > > A few times when she spoke, she said ', all the people here are

> > > important. Everyone here matters.' I didn't say anything, just sat

> > > there, trying to just stay present, as another part of me so wanted

> > > to flee, feeling like I was a bad child being reprimanded and

> > > unloved.

> > >

> > > So I didn't respond to her saying everyone mattered, everyone was

> > > important, I just sat there, like a deer caught in headlights. I

> > > didn't reply with a 'well of course I know and agree everyone

> > > matters, everyone's important.'

> > >

> > > And I've been thinking about it since, do people matter? Are we all

> > > important? What the hell does that even mean?

> > >

> > > I think perhaps it pertains to how we're to treat each other, if

> > > another person matters in my view, do I treat them differently?

> > > Better? More reverentally? Do I see a street bum as mattering less

> > > (no, not that population, I've lived on the streets, I kinda like

> > > street people). But politicians, models, yeah, I think there are

> > > some populations of people I might see as 'less than.'

> > > I sure think Byron matters, I see her as having more value

> > > than some people, definitely got a story running around her.

> > >

> > > Do my coworkers/cohabitants see me as mattering? They know I like

> > > it quiet for sleeping at night, but they still party loudly and

late

> > > at times. I could come up with lots of examples of how, to me, I or

> > > others show respect or disrespect. Like in the staff housing

area, I

> > > don't let doors slam shut at night, so I think I'm being

respectful.

> > > Others do let them slam shut, as it doesn't matter to them, and it

> > > bothers me some times.

> > >

> > > Doors slamming shut, noise matters to me. Hmm, noise matters, is

> > > that true? Ouch, definitely some investigating in that area I

could

> > > do.

> > >

> > > Do I matter? Am I important? What about before I ever heard of

> > > those things, before they ever entered my mind?

> > >

> > > Whadayathink? Your opinions and views on this matters to me, as of

> > > this moment anyway. Who knows if it will by the time I read your

> > > response.

> > >

> > > Does that matter to you?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>