911:: NCIC and administrators

[Guest guest]

>Does anyone have this same problem....administrators who think that

because NCIC access is in their department that the rules don't apply to

them?

I just went through an audit by the IDACS/NCIC security officer for

our department.

I mentioned this problem, he gave me his business card and told me

if ANYONE caused me any flack, have them call him, he would refer

them to his supervisor... who is a Captain on the department.

It's simple, if it breaks NCIC policy.... don't do it....

I know this is sometimes easier said than done, but it is YOUR

responsibility to see that the rules are not broken. It is YOUR

job that is in jeopardy.... and besides, it's the right thing to do.

Weintraut

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/21/2000 4:49:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

doctree@... writes:

<<

> ... For example, if my boss gives me a list of

> DL's to run and tells me that they are for - ohhh - rape

> crisis center employee's. He wants DL and CCH's checked.

> If I tell him no because it's not a criminal justice

> purpose, but then he invokes the " direct order " bit, does

> NCIC policies protect me? Has this been actually tested? >>

Not sure if its been tested , but I ran into this at my last agency. We had

a few " important " private citizens that felt that they were entitled to this

info. I solved the problem by handing the NCIC, DMV lookup to the sworn

officer that requested it in the first place. This gets me off the hook

since I did give it out only to " law enforcement " . What they do with this,

as a sworn officer of the law, is not my problem or my responsibility.

This has NOT been tested in court as far as I know, but it has worked for me

in NJ.

patty

BTPD NJ

PS. My new agency will NOT run any NCIC that is not totally above board AND

in line with the state guidelines......lucky me.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your responses. We actually went through a scare about this a

few years ago and MY name was on the return as the operator. I was worried

that I would be held responsible. It hasn't come up lately, but I was

thinking about it the other day and was wondering if there were any specific

instances of operators being held accountable because of an

officer's/administrator's request.

I wonder what would happen if I called our control terminal agency the next

time it happened....

*yikes!* My rear would go out the door!

About a month ago, one of my officers tried to stop a vehicle that took a

while in stopping (actually, the driver was looking for a place to stop that

was off the busy street - really). I got a call from the driver who wanted

to complain about the officer's attitude - while the traffic stop was going

on! I could hear the officer telling him to put the phone down. (I told

him to do what the officer told him to do, but he could call back once the

stop was over.)

After he called back and spoke to the supervisor and the supervisor talked

to him, he came up to dispatch and wanted me to run a CCH on him. I asked

him why, and he said he wanted to know why he was complaining on him. (ie

what was in his background that made him " hate " police) I refused. It was

not a criminal justice reason. He wasn't SPO, he didn't commit a crime -

just made a complaint on a officer. I told him that if the guy found out he

ran a criminal history on him for a non-criminal justice reason, that he

(the officer) could be held criminally responsible. So what if the guy had

been arrested before? It doesn't invalidate his complaint on the officer.

The officer finally did see that it would be a bad idea.

It's hard to explain that just because your the pO-lice, doesn't mean you

get to run everybody that looks at you crossways.

annette

[Guest guest]

" After he called back and spoke to the supervisor and the supervisor talked

to him, he came up to dispatch and wanted me to run a CCH on him. I asked

him why, and he said he wanted to know why he was complaining on him. "

We have just been through an audit and for the 2nd year in a row we have a

100% rating on our NCIC/DCI(NC in state). We use a written for for CCH and

it has to be signed by an officer. It also has reason as to why he wants it

run. (C for criminal, J for justice employment, etc.) The officer can have

one run and we don't question why as long as the officer has signed the

request. If there is an indiscretion on his part, it does not effect us as

the person who entered the request for the CCH. The officer is held

responsible for his actions, and it can cause loss of your ORI for mis-use.

Just as long as my butt is not the one in the sling.

Larew

NC911@...

Cornelius/Huntersville Police Communications

Iredell County Emergency Communications

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[Guest guest]

Hi all,

My agency will not run any criminal history without a

case number or cause number from the court. We are

not employees of any law enforcement agency we just

dispatch for them so that kinda lets us off the hook.

We are a seperate agency Emergency Communications, and

we log the info with the officers name that requested

it.

--- Gypsy0005@... wrote:

> In a message dated 09/21/2000 4:49:58 AM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> doctree@... writes:

>

> <<

> > ... For example, if my boss gives me a list of

> > DL's to run and tells me that they are for - ohhh

> - rape

> > crisis center employee's. He wants DL and CCH's

> checked.

> > If I tell him no because it's not a criminal

> justice

> > purpose, but then he invokes the " direct order "

> bit, does

> > NCIC policies protect me? Has this been actually

> tested? >>

>

>

> Not sure if its been tested , but I ran into this at

> my last agency. We had

> a few " important " private citizens that felt that

> they were entitled to this

> info. I solved the problem by handing the NCIC, DMV

> lookup to the sworn

> officer that requested it in the first place. This

> gets me off the hook

> since I did give it out only to " law enforcement " .

> What they do with this,

> as a sworn officer of the law, is not my problem or

> my responsibility.

>

> This has NOT been tested in court as far as I know,

> but it has worked for me

> in NJ.

>

> patty

> BTPD NJ

>

> PS. My new agency will NOT run any NCIC that is not

> totally above board AND

> in line with the state guidelines......lucky me.

>

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[Guest guest]

When we get our LEADS audit, there had better be an incident # in the log

book, along with the officers name and signature to indicate why a CCH was

ran. If not, we could get our LEADS equipment yanked.

Lyn

Bellefontaine PD

magik@...

To: <911consoleegroups>

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:13 PM

Subject: Re: 911:: NCIC and administrators

> After he called back and spoke to the supervisor and the supervisor talked

> to him, he came up to dispatch and wanted me to run a CCH on him. I asked

> him why, and he said he wanted to know why he was complaining on him. (ie

> what was in his background that made him " hate " police) I refused.