Re: Re: my story, for now... (ltwobk)

[Guest guest]

Dear Love,

I don't understand:

> You do not have to imagine " someone choosing fear over love " just look

> around and every person you see has chosen fear over love which is why

> they are in this dream. No one in their right mind would choose to be

> separate and live in a constant state of fear and guilt unless they

> were terrified of Love.

" ...which is why they are in this dream. "

Who's dream? If they would not live in fear, would you not be able to

perceive them?

As I do understand so far (maybe wrong), you know that someone is

full of fear is because you can... actually see him?

> Here is a spiritual exercise which will speed your awakening from the

> dream

What for? Why the rush?

> more than anything I have encountered. Just try to become aware

> of what being in a nice separate body is costing you. To be

> separate we

> must embrace a thought system of kill or be killed. Every body

> survives

> by the death of countless other bodies. Every mouthful of food we eat

> is obtained by killing a variety of animals and plants. The animals

> which are our dinner, previously survived by killing other animals or

> plants and so it goes on in a grizzly chain of slaughter.

And that's... bad?

Bodies dying... Is time real?

> Being separate also means that we must hate those who are different

> from us, either they have something we want or they want to take what

> we have.

How do I know about someones needs?

How do I know about my own needs?

> It is not socially acceptable to hate openly,

So sociality is part of the dream?

> so we normally

> deny the hate we feel and push it into our unconscious. It can be

> enormously helpful to get in contact with how much we really hate

> everyone and want to kill them, even those who we claim to love.

> Specialness comes with a heavy price tag of hate, guilt, fear and

> murder, but that is rarely seen because of the heavy psychological

> defense mechanisms of denial and projection.

Which is... dream? Real?

Actually, is the dream real?

> " You who are steadfastly devoted to misery [separation] must first

> recognize that you are miserable and not happy. The Holy Spirit cannot

> teach without this contrast, for you believe that misery [separation]

> is happiness " (T.14.II.1:2,3)

Who is this " you " , you are talking about?

Everyone you see? Hear? Read about?

> If we can get in touch with our deep hatred of others and our wish to

> kill them to preseve our specialness and look at it without judging

> ourselves for choosing it, then and only then will we be in a position

> to make a real choice for the Voice for Love.

What will happen to me at this point?

> It is interesting to note that did not have her awakening

> experience by " loving what is " , she awoke after fully experiencing the

> horror of the ego thought system of specialness. Lying on the floor of

> the boarding house in a massive depression and daily wanting to kill

> herself and probably everyone else around her, I think she became

> quite

> well aquainted with the cost of separation/specialness. Not that we

> have to take it to that extreme, but until we look upon our own

> specialness and what it costs us (without judgement) we are not going

> to progress very far up the spiritual ladder to God.

So,... where does this ladder start? Does it end with God? How do I

know at what point I am?

> Ken Wapnick has an excellent book on this topic: " Ending our

> Resistance

> to Love " (US. $7.00) available through Amazon.com, which I would

> highly

> recommend.

I'd rather listen to you.

I believe that when I do this for long enough, I'll read the whole

book, anyway. ;-)

Love,

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your answers,

I think I understand the ladder somewhere at the lower part, and the

highest step.

I am unlcear on the beginning, if there is one, and on the process of

climbing the ladder.

>> So,... where does this ladder start? Does it end with God? How do

>> I know at what point I am?

>

> Nice questions

>

> The ladder to God begins in this dream of separation which is

> characterised by guilt and fear. Normally this fear and guilt is

> repressed by the psychological defense mechanisms of denial and

> projection, so we are hardly aware of it within ourselves but we can

> become aware of it in our projections. We undo the guilt and fear

> within by forgiving our projections of it out onto the world and our

> body.

> The end of the ladder is God. Pure love, holiness, beyond time and

> space, a state of non-dual oneness beyond our comprehension in the

> dream of separation.

> We can know where we are on this ladder by how we view the dream. As

> we choose to listen to the Voice for Love, instead of seeing others

> with separate interests we come to see that all our interests are

> really shared. Everyone is the same because each mind can make the

> same choice for the voice of the ego or the Voice for Love.

so there's lots of steps within the dream and lots close to God? Or

just one place where God is?

Where am I, when I am born?

is there a lowest step?

Can I... " jump " over steps, or hurry to get close faster?

Is this process transitional?

Are the steps discrete?

Can I go up, as well as down?

Thank you for clarifying.

Love,