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In a message dated Tue, 22 Aug 2000 7:43:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "

Thornton " writes:

Anyway, nn, look at the positive side of it - the " togetherness "

aspect! My wife and I sit on the edge of the bed together and place bets on

what the readings will be when the meters stop rotating! You can buy " his "

and " hers " meters for Christmas! And you can get a quantity discount for

test strips! And you can forget about different meals, one pot serves two!

And you can provide each other with hypo backup if you get that far! And you

can read Bernstein together before you both drop off to sleep!

One word of warning from bitter experience, though - life is quieter for you

if you both take the same view about those death-dealing/nutritious

carbohydrates! Avoid that problem at all costs - it can make a living hell

out of what was a friendly kitchen and turn a simple supermarket trip into

a 3-ring circus.

,

Been there, done that! My husband was dxed in the late 1980's and had what we

would now consider poor medical management. When the kids make bets about Dad's

bg levels, you know that the family togetherness theme has gone too far! He

thought that all he had to do was to test his bg level; the result wasn't

important. He just used an appropriate amount of insulin to bring it down.

When I was dxed (1/99), I took a serious look at food choices and stopped

cooking the dishes I had made before. My husband, extremely competent in the

kitchen, rebelled and started creating VERY HIGH CARB meals. We now work

together;his food choices are better but he does include many more carbs than

me. We do shop together and we agree to ignore what the other throws into the

cart. Of course, my HbA1cs and bgs are much better than his!

Good luck......

Better just smile...

Carol T.

Public website for Diabetes International:

http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

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Don't be lulled by the lack of symptoms, nn. I was completely

asymptomatic (except for the A1c) at diagnosis.

Yes, African Americans (although I myself am Black) have a higher incidence

of Type 2 Diabetes. And the extra few pounds don't help, either.

He has you to take care of him, so I'm sure he'll be fine.

Robin G.

>

>Of course we are concerned. He's only 39 years old. If it makes any

>difference, he is an African-American man (I believe they have a higher

>incidence of diabetes) and he is 6'1 " and weigh 262 lbs. >

>He has absolutely no symptoms whatsoever. No frequent urination, hunger,

>weight loss, thirst, etc.

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nn

> A couple of hours later (sorry I didn't get a pre-meal test)

> Ken ate a lunch with 183 grams of carbohydrate containing

> 45% fat, 21% protein, and 34% carbohydrate. This included

> a huge glass of orange juice and chili with beans. One hour

> PP was 193 mg/dl, and 2 hour PP was 210 mg/dl.

If you had said 1 hour: 193 mg/dl and 2 hour: 150 mg/dl I would have said

" maybe " . But that 210 at 2 hours does not look good. If you do it again,

make sure you get a reading immediately before and at 4 hours. The 4 hr

should be same as or lower than the " before " , if not he has joined the club

for sure.

> So today when we got back I said " just for the heck of it, let

> me test your BG while you are still fasting " . I just about fell

>over when we got 191 mg/dl on my Fast Take which is plasma

> calibrated. He couldn't believe it either, so we did another

> test and that one read 175 mg/dl.

I don't understand how he could be " still fasting " if he had just taken

a GTT (unless I have misunderstood you). It sounds to me as if his

GTT result will be up in the 300s and you tested him on the way down.

> She also told me not to bother testing him again until we

> get the results back from the hospital lab. I guess she envisions

> me chasing him around the bedroom with a Vaculance on his birthday!

Most doctors have reservations about patients doing their own diagnosis and

you can't really blame them. They don't even do a diagnosis on themselves

but call in a colleague. Emotion gets in the way of good judgement.

> If it makes any difference, he is an African-American man

> (I believe they have a higher incidence of diabetes) and

> he is 6'1 " and weigh 262 lbs.

I don't believe it. There may be a correlation but it would apply to large

numbers even if it is true. But I don't believe that you can apply that to

an individual.

> He put on a lot of weight in the last few years due to a

> medication he takes for schizoaffective disorder.

Why are you so sure about that " due to " ? In relation to his height, I had a

similar weight when I was diagnosed and was only taking a beta blocker.

Anyway, nn, look at the positive side of it - the " togetherness "

aspect! My wife and I sit on the edge of the bed together and place bets on

what the readings will be when the meters stop rotating! You can buy " his "

and " hers " meters for Christmas! And you can get a quantity discount for

test strips! And you can forget about different meals, one pot serves two!

And you can provide each other with hypo backup if you get that far! And you

can read Bernstein together before you both drop off to sleep!

One word of warning from bitter experience, though - life is quieter for you

if you both take the same view about those death-dealing/nutritious

carbohydrates! Avoid that problem at all costs - it can make a living hell

out of what was a friendly kitchen and turn a simple supermarket trip into

a 3-ring circus.

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Susie,

Thanks for the unofficial " diagnosis " . I kind of figured but didn't want to

believe. Does Rob have diabetes too?

Ken also wants to thank you for your opinion and advise. If he does end up

having it, he will be better off because of me and my " Internet habit " ! He

is not a " net " person but I can ask enough questions for both of us.

What did you think about the NP saying that Ken's " big morning at the Dr.'s

could cause a high BG. Ever heard of anything like that? I never have.

nn

Type 2, Dx Oct 98, Avandia, Amaryl, Glucophage, Lipitor, Prinivil, MDI H &

NPH

Check out my Furry Faced Buddies at: http://home.ptd.net/~tottie/

Oh darllin' ... I swear, we sniff each other out because we " smell so

sweet " ! I'm certainly no doctor, but my guess is that Ken is a type 2

diabetic. That's the bad news ... The Good News is that you two have each

other, and this diabetes group, and the benefit of internet research. There

is every reason to think that both of you will live long, problem-free

lives. And it's far easier going through this thing when you have a mate.

Think of yourselves as a team of horses, pulling a load. As long as you both

do your own part, it really isn't so bad. My goodness ... you will have your

hands full for the immediate future, tutoring your sweetie! It's really

confusing and scary to get a diabetes diagnosis ... He will want lots of

info. Please check out some of our favorite books recommended on our group's

web site. And please invite Ken to participate in this group. We'd all enjoy

meeting him!

Susie

Public website for Diabetes International:

http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

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Thornton wrote:

<< One word of warning from bitter experience, though - life is quieter for

you if you both take the same view about those death-dealing/nutritious

carbohydrates! Avoid that problem at all costs - it can make a living hell

out of what was a friendly kitchen and turn a simple supermarket trip into a

3-ring circus. >>

First of all, , that was a *great* post! And yes - I resonate with your

sentiments. Rob has adopted my way of life, but my diabetic sisters haven't,

and it's a source of tension for all of us - and pain for me. I can hardly

imagine a grocery shopping trip with him, if he were " geeing " and I was

" hawing. " (Now, there are some old-timey terms. It's what farmers used to

yell at their mules or plow horses ... left and right.)

I see my sisters' numbers climbing, and they meekly accept it as the

inevitable consequence of diabetes. I love my sisters... They are wonderful

women. Sometimes, when I yell in this group, I am actually wanting to yell

at them. I want very much to save them. What do I do???

Susie

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Susie wrote:

> I see my sisters' numbers climbing, and they meekly accept it as the

> inevitable consequence of diabetes. I love my sisters... They are wonderful

> women. Sometimes, when I yell in this group, I am actually wanting to yell

> at them. I want very much to save them. What do I do???

Ask them how you ended up being the sister with the most smarts??

--

Dave -- Tuesday, August 22, 2000

t2 8/98 Glucophage & *anything* laced with Aspartame

ICQ 10312009

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DavOr's daily aphorism:

Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?

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Naomi s wrote:

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> I'm telling you Dave....You just crack me up! I think I get more good from

> your little " aphorisms " than all of my medications. Just keep 'em comin'

> and I'll keep on laughing.

It's the best medicine Tootie! Glad you like them. Unfortunately they

repeat from time to time.

--

Dave -- Wednesday, August 23, 2000

t2 8/98 Glucophage & *anything* laced with Aspartame

ICQ 10312009

«»

DavOr's daily aphorism:

As long as I can remember, I've had amnesia.

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I know from experience that stress can do nasty things to your BG's, so it

could have been stress. If he's comfortable with doctors and tests and all,

then it probably wasn't stress. But lots of guys don't like going to

doctors... :)

Type 2, diet, exercise, glucophage (2000mg/day)

Diagnosed March 1998, born June 1947.

Re: Not Ken too?

Susie,

Thanks for the unofficial " diagnosis " . I kind of figured but didn't want to

believe. Does Rob have diabetes too?

Ken also wants to thank you for your opinion and advise. If he does end up

having it, he will be better off because of me and my " Internet habit " ! He

is not a " net " person but I can ask enough questions for both of us.

What did you think about the NP saying that Ken's " big morning at the Dr.'s

could cause a high BG. Ever heard of anything like that? I never have.

nn

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