Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Seriously? That's ridiculous, can you give some examples? Regards, C.U. To: aspires-relationships Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:21 PMSubject: Violent movies On 2011-07-25, at 5:19 AM, aspires-relationships wrote: writes:** You do bring up a very good point, Chris. Yes, freedom of words isn't everywhere (unfortuantely, the Chinese people are affected by this greatly). When compared with other television shows in other countries, the USA is the most violent nation with regard to television shows. I cannot cite the statistics. However, it's common knowledge through the repeated articles and news programs that talk about violence on television shows here. The whole world would be a better place if we lived without televisions - because we wouldn't see about people's heads being cut off and other violent acts. I receive the vast majority of my news via the internet and radio, and that works for me.I have thought for some time that some of the movies and TV shows that have been released publicly are cause for the creator of the show to be examined for serious mental illness. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Writes:Re: Violent moviesPosted by: "Van dijk" barking_underdog@... barking_underdogMon Jul 25, 2011 8:26 am (PDT)Seriously? That's ridiculous, can you give some examples? ---------------------------------------------I can't give you many examples because I avoid them like the plague and I have made a conscious effort to erase disturbing images from my own memory banks. I think we have a finite memory and I would rather leave space for stuff I enjoyed. (Disturbing images follow here, I recommend skip this bit, go to the last paragraph, disturbing enough.) Now and again I accidentally see scenes of extreme violence while channel-switching, a naked man tied to a chair and being beaten with a club, a man literally stuck to a wheelchair, set on fire and sent wheeling down a street in flames, loving close-ups of torture, cutting, dismembering, putting the boot in to a helpless victim lying on the ground, all in the name of entertainment. Mere shooting is treated as comedy, as in frequent episodes of the Carol Burnett show. Madness. I strongly disagree with the whining excuse from producers of extreme violence, "We are only portraying society as it is". In the glory days of Holly wood I think it was Louis B. Mayer (co-founder MGM) who boasted, "We don't reflect societal behaviour, we create it". I'm with him. Not long ago a movie showed a man in a ticket booth sprayed with gasoline and set on fire, it was only a matter of weeks before the scene was repeated in real life with tragic consequences. Monkey see, monkey do.Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I'm with you, . I prefer to watch something more life affirming. I'm not sure that those images are responsible for the actions of crazy people though, I think there are many factors, including the crystallized mindset of the perpetrator. You know, the Oslo madman, in his " manifesto, " lifted quotes from many sources, and used them grossly out of context to justify his actions. But still, I don't know what the point is to creating and viewing this horrific garbage to which you refer. What does it teach us? Some might argue it's art, it's entertainment, it doesn't need to teach anything. Well, it's not art in my opinion. For those of us on the autism spectrum, these images are especially disturbing, because we are highly visual in our processing. I won't call for censorship but I will not support that industry. - Helen > > Writes: > > Re: Violent movies > Posted by: " Van dijk " barking_underdog@... barking_underdog > Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:26 am (PDT) > > Seriously? That's ridiculous, can you give some examples? > > --------------------------------------------- > I can't give you many examples because I avoid them like the plague and I have made a conscious effort to erase disturbing images from my own memory banks. I think we have a finite memory and I would rather leave space for stuff I enjoyed. (Disturbing images follow here, I recommend skip this bit, go to the last paragraph, disturbing enough.) Now and again I accidentally see scenes of extreme violence while channel-switching, a naked man tied to a chair and being beaten with a club, a man literally stuck to a wheelchair, set on fire and sent wheeling down a street in flames, loving close-ups of torture, cutting, dismembering, putting the boot in to a helpless victim lying on the ground, all in the name of entertainment. Mere shooting is treated as comedy, as in frequent episodes of the Carol Burnett show. Madness. > > I strongly disagree with the whining excuse from producers of extreme violence, " We are only portraying society as it is " . In the glory days of Holly wood I think it was Louis B. Mayer (co-founder MGM) who boasted, " We don't reflect societal behaviour, we create it " . I'm with him. Not long ago a movie showed a man in a ticket booth sprayed with gasoline and set on fire, it was only a matter of weeks before the scene was repeated in real life with tragic consequences. > > Monkey see, monkey do. > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I feel the same way... however what is interesting to me is that my husband (well, former at this point though we are separated not divorced) who I believe is AS, had no problem with such violent movies, in fact his desire to watch them constantly helped drive us apart. All he would watch were such things.) I cannot watch them because they have the effect of making me very upset, as though I am in the mind of the person being tortured and feeling what they feel. I hated the loud noise also such as of machine guns that he would have turned up to 35 on the volume, it rattled my brain and jarred me heart and soul. Re: Violent movies  I'm with you, . I prefer to watch something more life affirming. I'm not sure that those images are responsible for the actions of crazy people though, I think there are many factors, including the crystallized mindset of the perpetrator. You know, the Oslo madman, in his " manifesto, " lifted quotes from many sources, and used them grossly out of context to justify his actions. But still, I don't know what the point is to creating and viewing this horrific garbage to which you refer. What does it teach us? Some might argue it's art, it's entertainment, it doesn't need to teach anything. Well, it's not art in my opinion. For those of us on the autism spectrum, these images are especially disturbing, because we are highly visual in our processing. I won't call for censorship but I will not support that industry. - Helen > > Writes: > > Re: Violent movies > Posted by: " Van dijk " barking_underdog@... barking_underdog > Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:26 am (PDT) > > Seriously? That's ridiculous, can you give some examples? > > --------------------------------------------- > I can't give you many examples because I avoid them like the plague and I have made a conscious effort to erase disturbing images from my own memory banks. I think we have a finite memory and I would rather leave space for stuff I enjoyed. (Disturbing images follow here, I recommend skip this bit, go to the last paragraph, disturbing enough.) Now and again I accidentally see scenes of extreme violence while channel-switching, a naked man tied to a chair and being beaten with a club, a man literally stuck to a wheelchair, set on fire and sent wheeling down a street in flames, loving close-ups of torture, cutting, dismembering, putting the boot in to a helpless victim lying on the ground, all in the name of entertainment. Mere shooting is treated as comedy, as in frequent episodes of the Carol Burnett show. Madness. > > I strongly disagree with the whining excuse from producers of extreme violence, " We are only portraying society as it is " . In the glory days of Holly wood I think it was Louis B. Mayer (co-founder MGM) who boasted, " We don't reflect societal behaviour, we create it " . I'm with him. Not long ago a movie showed a man in a ticket booth sprayed with gasoline and set on fire, it was only a matter of weeks before the scene was repeated in real life with tragic consequences. > > Monkey see, monkey do. > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 adp@... wrote: > I feel the same way... however what is interesting to me is that my husband (well, former at this point though we are separated not divorced) who I believe is AS, had no problem with such violent movies, in fact his desire to watch them constantly helped drive us apart. All he would watch were such things.) I cannot watch them because they have the effect of making me very upset, as though I am in the mind of the person being tortured and feeling what they feel. > I hated the loud noise also such as of machine guns that he would have turned up to 35 on the volume, it rattled my brain and jarred me heart and soul. I've never reacted much to television or movie violence, probably because I can't suspend disbelief. Knowing that the violence isn't 'real' seems to be enough to keep me from engaging on an emotional level. Best, ~CJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Helen The way you feel about old psychological thrillers is the same way I feel about sex in movies. In the older movies you *knew* what those two were upto behind that door, but the exact details were left to your imagination, which is much more titillating than actually seeing the (director's version of the) details. ~ "Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal."--Albert Camus Sent from my VZW BlackBerrySender: aspires-relationships Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:07:38 +0000To: <aspires-relationships >ReplyTo: aspires-relationships Subject: Re: Violent movies Hi CJ, and ,Well so far, I guess the jury's out as to whether disturbing images are even more disturbing to AS in general than to NT in general. Others?I can't suspend disbelief about a lot of stuff I see on TV or Film. My mind automatically flags up the inconsistencies, inaccuracies, and the poor production that makes them unintentionally hilarious in places. Sometimes when I'm watching a movie with my son, I can't seem to let it pass, and I blurt out, " well they can't do that! " My son will laugh and say, " Mom, suspend your disbelief, it's just a story. " But, I can't. The script writers know how to use Google, it's not that hard to make it at least *somewhat* plausible. But that's my AS talking I guess Some disaster movies are just terrible for that, LOL, but at least they don't leave me psychically wounded.Gratuitous violence, and I think we all know the difference between violence that is necessary to tell the story, and gratuitous violence, is another thing for me. My thought process goes like this: Someone thought up this stuff, and then made people act it out. Why? I liked the old psychological thrillers because they left some things to the audience's imagination. The viewer could connect in the dots, or leave it in the abstract.These are just my thoughts though, my way of processing stuff, and not intended to judge others. does have a point about PTSD, too. Some of our more autistic members like Sondra have reported that many images can be terrifying and triggering. Just seeing a news photo of some atrocity that occurred someplace in the world gives me nightmares. And I don't watch news on TV.- Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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