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Hi ,

Yes, I can imagine that you have a lot of questions. These surgeries are

scarey. I just had my second and third in NOvember and December. My first

surgery 8 years ago didn't do what I'd hoped. For 7 years I just believed

that I'd have to just live or learn to live the way I was. WHich wasn't

fun!!!!! I am glad to say that my recent surgeries have really made a

difference. I'm battling headaches right now but I think they'll stop soon.

I feel really good...I have four young children and keep up with them pretty

good. I still have limits...I know them...and I try not to exceed them.

That makes a big difference in how I feel. As for going back to work...yep

no problem just don't rush it because it'll just set you back and take a lot

longer to heal!!!

You'll have a whole group with you now!!!!

You're not alone!

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Hi! I have found the emails from this group are wonderfully informative! I was

diagnosed while in Europe (where I work) and felt very much alone. However, the

internet is full of great information for you. I would recommend the following

for the BEST use of your time:

* Chip's pages of success stories put me at eaze!

* Chip's web pages are just super and his links are good, too!

* Chiari.com has some articles/ information that is great basic

information and I printed out everything that I read. I took it to the

neurosurgeons with me. I saw two excellent neurosurgeons---2nd opinions are

highly recommended by Chip, et. al.

* I did various internet searches, but the links at both Chip and

chiari/WACMA websites are the best!

Welcome to the club-if it really is one. My surgery is June 14th at UVA. I am

looking forward to feeling better!

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Hi! I have found the emails from this group are wonderfully informative! I was

diagnosed while in Europe (where I work) and felt very much alone. However, the

internet is full of great information for you. I would recommend the following

for the BEST use of your time:

* Chip's pages of success stories put me at eaze!

* Chip's web pages are just super and his links are good, too!

* Chiari.com has some articles/ information that is great basic

information and I printed out everything that I read. I took it to the

neurosurgeons with me. I saw two excellent neurosurgeons---2nd opinions are

highly recommended by Chip, et. al.

* I did various internet searches, but the links at both Chip and

chiari/WACMA websites are the best!

Welcome to the club-if it really is one. My surgery is June 14th at UVA. I am

looking forward to feeling better!

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Hi . I'm Carla. I have been in this group for three months,

though I had my decompression three years ago. I am currently having

difficulties, though my nsg (neurosurgeon) is leaning towards injury

being my current culprit. Here are a couple of pieces of advice from

a pro.

1) surgery is survivable, painful, but they have good drugs to help

with that. My scar is a nice thin line down the back of my neck, most

people don't really pay attention to it, if I let my hair grow

longer, they don't notice. I, however, usually wear a wedge cut with

pride, and figure I've earned that scar. Let 'em wonder.

2) recovery varies- typically 2-4 months for the worst of the

headaches to go away, 6-12 months for full recovery of strength and

neck motion.

3) work - take AT LEAST three weeks, I went back three weeks later,

and I was considered the exception, and I still felt it was too soon.

Six to eight weeks is more reasonable, longer if your job is

physically stressful.

4) future - AVOID things that will cause you further problems like

trauma to the head. While it is impossible to live in a bubble,

things like amusement park rides are not advisable (I learned the

hard way).

Another thing to avoid is car accidents, though how to avoid them, I

don't know.

5) support - you have come to the right place for support. These

people are angels.

Carla

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  • 6 years later...

I just read this post I sent and it sounded negative!!!! .......I have learned

good things here.....i also found a website good for communicating with others

with MS and the address was www.Joolysjoint.com this group got me off Baclofen

though.............Yeah!!!...I just wanted Robin to know that this group

promotes natural helpers.....I was dissapointed after joining....but keep

getting mails because who knows what good can come???

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Welcome to Lewyville!

We are a wonderful place to vent, as well as have your questions

answered.

Probably all of us have had the night you had last night. We

understand, and know how much you might have loved to have yelled,

but didn't. I think that is where much of the caregiver builds their

stress levels.

Find out what is working for some in terms of keeping the LO in

nights and days. there will be a plethora of answers, I am sure.

I am mostly on the question side of this disease, but can give you

empathy all day long.

hang in, and vent often!

Carol

If you throw yourself a pity party, most of us will show up! We love

to party!

>

> My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week.

> Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and

she

> wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

> haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and

went

> on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails

trying

> to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in

the

> morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At

times I

> wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

>

> Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with

us.

> Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time (

by

> that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs)

then

> there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the

house

> naked....

>

> My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to

fool

> us...

>

> I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

>

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P.S. We often figure out a little late that they are not faking it.

it is where they are on the Lewy Body Trail, and they don't always

leave a trail of bread crumbs.

Carol

>

> My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week.

> Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and

she

> wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

> haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and

went

> on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails

trying

> to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in

the

> morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At

times I

> wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

>

> Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with

us.

> Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time (

by

> that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs)

then

> there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the

house

> naked....

>

> My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to

fool

> us...

>

> I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

>

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Oh, Holly..... You've come to there right place. Rest assured that your

grandma is not doing these things on purpose and is not trying to fool you.

I know you will find much support and knowledge here. My daughter helps me

care for my mother and I hope she'll come out and introduce herself to you.

Gladys

-- Hello

My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week.

Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and she

wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and went

on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails trying

to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in the

morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At times I

wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with us.

Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( by

that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) then

there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the house

naked....

My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to fool

us...

I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

Welcome to LBDcaregivers.

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Hello Holly,

My name is Ruthie. (I'm Gladys' daughter) I also help my mother take

care of my Grandmother.

I can completely understand you wanting to yell. I was feeling that

way myself today. I couldn't even figure out why she was mad but I

was trying to help and she just started getting incredibly mad at me

and throwing (for a person who does not know she has LBD or the

symptoms would view as) a full blown temper tantrum.

One night while I was here I did not sleep a bit because she was

convinced the house was on fire and I had to keep her from calling

the fire department.

If you ever need someone to talk to who understands I am here and I

know the wonderful people on this list are as well. It is good to get

it out and also to know that you're not a lone. :)

Ruthie

>

> My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week.

> Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and

she

> wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

> haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and

went

> on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails

trying

> to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in

the

> morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At

times I

> wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

>

> Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with

us.

> Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time (

by

> that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs)

then

> there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the

house

> naked....

>

> My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to

fool

> us...

>

> I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

>

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I understand frustration with LO's. Just remember, though, that they have no

control and the disease is the one controlling when things happen.

This has been a really hard week for our family. Dad (primary caregiver, age

84) got up during the evening to check on something and he fell. When he fell,

my mother came to a little, decided to get out of her bed and help him. She

fell. Dad crawled to the phone and called 911, and then lost consciousness.

EMSA came and took them both to the hospital, didn't call any of us, and we

didn't find out until almost 8 hours later that they were in hospital. They

kept them overnight for observation, and I had to miss three more days of work

last week in addition to the 5 that I missed the end of the week before and the

first of last week. My sister and I are both jeopardizing our jobs trying to

take care of things.

My dad refuses to accept even the IDEA of an NH. He is supported in that

feeling by my two brothers, neither of whom are accepting any responsibility for

Mom's care. My sister and I are worn to a frazzle.

Mom is quickly going downhill. I don't know the progression of the disease,

but it's my feeling that she's probably in the final stages. She eats no more

than two or three spoonfuls of food per day, and often spits that out. She

drinks less than a cup of water a day. She either sleeps or pulls the covers

over her head and doesn't talk to anyone for probably 23 hours and 55 minutes of

each day.

As a family, we're opposed to feeding tubes or artificial hydration to prolong

her life. She is in a living hell right now, having hallucinations and seeing

things. Tonight she looked straight at me, and said, " Are you satan? " She

knows my name, but she calls me by my entire name, and has no memory or

connection that we are mother and daughter. She refuses to take anything from

my hands, and my father is the only one who can give her the meds or even a

drink of water.

She used the portable commode and then kept checking to make sure my father

flushed it. I asked her what made her think we wouldn't flush it...what did she

think we were going to do with it. Her response was, " Feed it back to me. "

Last Saturday, she grabbed my sister's hand, and asked her if she was saved.

My sister said, " Of course, Mom. You were there at my baptism. " That wasn't

sufficient...my sister had to repeat a prayer for her salvation, and ask

forgiveness for all acts of adultery and fornication! I was standing in the

kitchen laughing my head off...when she came into the kitchen, she said, " Well,

at least it was short...if it'd been YOU, you'd still be asking forgiveness... "

At times, I feel guilty for laughing at some of the things that go on, but

then I realized that my laughter was a cover for the pain. It hurts. I know

that Mom's time is limited, and I still count each moment as precious.

Jannis

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(((HUGS)))) Jannis My heart and prayers go out to you.

Gladys

-- Re: Hello

I understand frustration with LO's. Just remember, though, that they have

no control and the disease is the one controlling when things happen.

This has been a really hard week for our family. Dad (primary caregiver,

age 84) got up during the evening to check on something and he fell. When

he fell, my mother came to a little, decided to get out of her bed and help

him. She fell. Dad crawled to the phone and called 911, and then lost

consciousness. EMSA came and took them both to the hospital, didn't call

any of us, and we didn't find out until almost 8 hours later that they were

in hospital. They kept them overnight for observation, and I had to miss

three more days of work last week in addition to the 5 that I missed the end

of the week before and the first of last week. My sister and I are both

jeopardizing our jobs trying to take care of things.

My dad refuses to accept even the IDEA of an NH. He is supported in that

feeling by my two brothers, neither of whom are accepting any responsibility

for Mom's care. My sister and I are worn to a frazzle.

Mom is quickly going downhill. I don't know the progression of the

disease, but it's my feeling that she's probably in the final stages. She

eats no more than two or three spoonfuls of food per day, and often spits

that out. She drinks less than a cup of water a day. She either sleeps or

pulls the covers over her head and doesn't talk to anyone for probably 23

hours and 55 minutes of each day.

As a family, we're opposed to feeding tubes or artificial hydration to

prolong her life. She is in a living hell right now, having hallucinations

and seeing things. Tonight she looked straight at me, and said, " Are you

satan? " She knows my name, but she calls me by my entire name, and has no

memory or connection that we are mother and daughter. She refuses to take

anything from my hands, and my father is the only one who can give her the

meds or even a drink of water.

She used the portable commode and then kept checking to make sure my

father flushed it. I asked her what made her think we wouldn't flush it..

what did she think we were going to do with it. Her response was, " Feed it

back to me. "

Last Saturday, she grabbed my sister's hand, and asked her if she was

saved. My sister said, " Of course, Mom. You were there at my baptism. "

That wasn't sufficient...my sister had to repeat a prayer for her salvation,

and ask forgiveness for all acts of adultery and fornication! I was

standing in the kitchen laughing my head off...when she came into the

kitchen, she said, " Well, at least it was short...if it'd been YOU, you'd

still be asking forgiveness... "

At times, I feel guilty for laughing at some of the things that go on, but

then I realized that my laughter was a cover for the pain. It hurts. I

know that Mom's time is limited, and I still count each moment as precious.

Jannis

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Holly,

Welcome,

You may not have heard of LBD before, but it sure sounds like you are living it.

My Mom was up every other night for 3 years. At times it seemed to me she knew,

but eventually I knew she wasn't faking.

If you go to the bottom of this email and find " Links " and " Lists " you will find

out lots of information about LBD that we have collected. Many times Mom was

given Meds that just didn't work. The MDs are just starting to diagnosis it,

much less understand the Meds. My Mom was one who just couldn't do meds as they

made her worse, not better. At one point I was cutting an anti-anxiety pill in

quarters and giving her quarter of a pill all day. It worked fine. Other than

that I was fighting with MDs all the time to take her off drugs.

Check out what meds she is on and how much, and we can help you know which might

be a problem. Most MDs use to much and to fast. And it makes things worse.

Also, when Mom got upset, the MD that finally worked with me, always said,

" Bring her in and we will check for UTI.. (Urinary. Track. Infection) And she

always had one. And I would forget the next time. But we would do it all over

again. I just always tried to remember, " Mom is scared, what can I do to help

her fears. " The more fears I calmed, the easier time I had. (Not that I could

always do that either.)

Keep night lights on for her at night. Keep glaring glass covered, (it makes

for " lots of people " Mirrors, windows and pictures.

So you will learn to live with Lewy. And come here for that Pity Party that

Carol was talking about. Sometimes you just have to spout. You and your Mom

will hopefully find a way to trade nights if and when you need, so one of you

isn't up all the time.. There is an over the counter med called Melatonin that

I could give Mom with no bad effects. And even if she didn't sleep, she stayed

calm and in bed. You will learn to do whatever works.

Glad you are here.

Hugs,

Donna R

Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in

a nh.

She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

Hello

My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week.

Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and she

wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and went

on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails trying

to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in the

morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At times I

wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with us.

Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( by

that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) then

there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the house

naked....

My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to fool

us...

I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

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Holly - I agree we Donna - your grandmother should be checked for a

UTI... Welcome to the board - glad you found us! :) Let us know what

meds your grandmother is on. The one document that should be referred

to like a 'Lewy-bible' Dr. Bradley Boeve's paper - read here:

Diagnostic Review & Medicine Management

by Bradley F. Boeve, MD (October 2004) Physicians guide to diagnosing

and treating DLB/LBD. Includes recommended dosages.

http://www.lewybodydementia.org/Boevelink.php

Other good reads are:

A Must Read by Dr. Bradley Boeve

A Comprehensive Approach to Treatment can Significantly Improve the

Quality of Life of Patients with the Lewy body dementias.

http://www.lewybodydementia.org/AR0504BFB.php

*** 2006, September 08 -- Lewy body dementia

From MayoClinic.com, Special to CNN.com. Norma says, " ...this is the

most detailed, accurate information I've ever read about LBD. I think

it should be sent to all new caregivers AND doctors who aren't clear.

Thoughts everyone? " Keli says, " Definately yes!!! This is very

informative yet not overwhelming. It can easily be shared with

others. I intend to have my husband and children read it, and

hopefully my moms dr's as well. Very good information. "

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00795.html

LBD Brochure

(to print use legal size paper)

http://www.lewybodydementia.org/docs/LBDAbroch_webLGL.pdf

Live Chat Event with Dr. Gomperts, MD

Dr. Gomperts answered your questions on this Q & A session with Dr.

Gomperts, MD

http://www.lewybodydementia.org/docs/gomperts_transcript.pdf

; loving daughter of Maureen of Boston, MA; dx'd with LBD in

2/2006 (confirmed via brain biopsy;) fell victim to rapid decline

from Risperidone; Mom fell into the 50% category of those who could

not handle antipsychotics; Was successful on Celexa, Exelon, ALA &

B1; Mom became my Guardian Angel on Sept. 30th, 2006.

>

> Holly,

>

> Welcome,

>

> You may not have heard of LBD before, but it sure sounds like you

are living it. My Mom was up every other night for 3 years. At

times it seemed to me she knew, but eventually I knew she wasn't

faking.

>

> If you go to the bottom of this email and find " Links " and " Lists "

you will find out lots of information about LBD that we have

collected. Many times Mom was given Meds that just didn't work. The

MDs are just starting to diagnosis it, much less understand the

Meds. My Mom was one who just couldn't do meds as they made her

worse, not better. At one point I was cutting an anti-anxiety pill

in quarters and giving her quarter of a pill all day. It worked

fine. Other than that I was fighting with MDs all the time to take

her off drugs.

>

> Check out what meds she is on and how much, and we can help you

know which might be a problem. Most MDs use to much and to fast.

And it makes things worse.

>

> Also, when Mom got upset, the MD that finally worked with me,

always said, " Bring her in and we will check for UTI.. (Urinary.

Track. Infection) And she always had one. And I would forget the

next time. But we would do it all over again. I just always tried

to remember, " Mom is scared, what can I do to help her fears. " The

more fears I calmed, the easier time I had. (Not that I could always

do that either.)

>

> Keep night lights on for her at night. Keep glaring glass covered,

(it makes for " lots of people " Mirrors, windows and pictures.

>

> So you will learn to live with Lewy. And come here for that Pity

Party that Carol was talking about. Sometimes you just have to

spout. You and your Mom will hopefully find a way to trade nights if

and when you need, so one of you isn't up all the time.. There is an

over the counter med called Melatonin that I could give Mom with no

bad effects. And even if she didn't sleep, she stayed calm and in

bed. You will learn to do whatever works.

>

> Glad you are here.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Donna R

>

>

> Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years

and 4th year in a nh.

> She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

>

>

> Hello

>

> My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week.

> Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and

she

> wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

> haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and

went

> on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails

trying

> to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in

the

> morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At

times I

> wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

>

> Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with

us.

> Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time (

by

> that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs)

then

> there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the

house

> naked....

>

> My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to

fool

> us...

>

> I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

>

>

>

>

>

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Jannis -- I'm so sorry you are having to deal with so many tough

situations! How stressful for you & your sister! :( Is there a

possibility of some outside help by paid caregivers to be at home w/

your parents? Most definitely a Lifeline should be installed:

Lifeline

Lifeline can not only protect a life...it can preserve a cherished

way of life by giving seniors the confidence to continue living in

their own homes. A Lifeline medical alert costs little more than a

dollar a day, yet gives you peace of mind that is priceless.

http://www.lifelinesys.com/

Where do you live?

>

> I understand frustration with LO's. Just remember, though, that

they have no control and the disease is the one controlling when

things happen.

>

> This has been a really hard week for our family. Dad (primary

caregiver, age 84) got up during the evening to check on something

and he fell. When he fell, my mother came to a little, decided to

get out of her bed and help him. She fell. Dad crawled to the phone

and called 911, and then lost consciousness. EMSA came and took them

both to the hospital, didn't call any of us, and we didn't find out

until almost 8 hours later that they were in hospital. They kept

them overnight for observation, and I had to miss three more days of

work last week in addition to the 5 that I missed the end of the week

before and the first of last week. My sister and I are both

jeopardizing our jobs trying to take care of things.

>

> My dad refuses to accept even the IDEA of an NH. He is supported

in that feeling by my two brothers, neither of whom are accepting any

responsibility for Mom's care. My sister and I are worn to a

frazzle.

>

> Mom is quickly going downhill. I don't know the progression of

the disease, but it's my feeling that she's probably in the final

stages. She eats no more than two or three spoonfuls of food per

day, and often spits that out. She drinks less than a cup of water a

day. She either sleeps or pulls the covers over her head and doesn't

talk to anyone for probably 23 hours and 55 minutes of each day.

>

> As a family, we're opposed to feeding tubes or artificial

hydration to prolong her life. She is in a living hell right now,

having hallucinations and seeing things. Tonight she looked straight

at me, and said, " Are you satan? " She knows my name, but she calls

me by my entire name, and has no memory or connection that we are

mother and daughter. She refuses to take anything from my hands, and

my father is the only one who can give her the meds or even a drink

of water.

>

> She used the portable commode and then kept checking to make sure

my father flushed it. I asked her what made her think we wouldn't

flush it...what did she think we were going to do with it. Her

response was, " Feed it back to me. "

>

> Last Saturday, she grabbed my sister's hand, and asked her if she

was saved. My sister said, " Of course, Mom. You were there at my

baptism. " That wasn't sufficient...my sister had to repeat a prayer

for her salvation, and ask forgiveness for all acts of adultery and

fornication! I was standing in the kitchen laughing my head

off...when she came into the kitchen, she said, " Well, at least it

was short...if it'd been YOU, you'd still be asking forgiveness... "

>

> At times, I feel guilty for laughing at some of the things that

go on, but then I realized that my laughter was a cover for the

pain. It hurts. I know that Mom's time is limited, and I still

count each moment as precious.

>

> Jannis

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Oh Jannis,

You've got me laughing up here in Toronto! That was a good comeback from your

sister. :) Please don't feel badly about the laughing because its the LBD we

are laughing at. I don't know how I would have gotten through being a hands on

caregiver to mom if not for the laughter. Sometimes, mom and I would laugh

together after she had done or said something Lewy.

I'm sorry to hear that your brothers are not being helpful and supportive (so

many of us here have siblings who are just the same). If they can't or won't

help the least they can do is stay out of the way. Is it possible to have

in-home care for your mom and dad? Only after my mom went into care did we get

her a personal caregiver and we could have kicked ourselves for not doing it

earlier. I do hope your dad is open to the idea.

I so agree with you that every moment we have with our LO's is precious.

Watching them decline is so very difficult for us but it must be even harder on

them. What I wouldn't give to hear to mom's voice today.

Courage

Re: Hello

I understand frustration with LO's. Just remember, though, that they have no

control and the disease is the one controlling when things happen.

This has been a really hard week for our family. Dad (primary caregiver, age

84) got up during the evening to check on something and he fell. When he fell,

my mother came to a little, decided to get out of her bed and help him. She

fell. Dad crawled to the phone and called 911, and then lost consciousness. EMSA

came and took them both to the hospital, didn't call any of us, and we didn't

find out until almost 8 hours later that they were in hospital. They kept them

overnight for observation, and I had to miss three more days of work last week

in addition to the 5 that I missed the end of the week before and the first of

last week. My sister and I are both jeopardizing our jobs trying to take care of

things.

My dad refuses to accept even the IDEA of an NH. He is supported in that

feeling by my two brothers, neither of whom are accepting any responsibility for

Mom's care. My sister and I are worn to a frazzle.

Mom is quickly going downhill. I don't know the progression of the disease,

but it's my feeling that she's probably in the final stages. She eats no more

than two or three spoonfuls of food per day, and often spits that out. She

drinks less than a cup of water a day. She either sleeps or pulls the covers

over her head and doesn't talk to anyone for probably 23 hours and 55 minutes of

each day.

As a family, we're opposed to feeding tubes or artificial hydration to prolong

her life. She is in a living hell right now, having hallucinations and seeing

things. Tonight she looked straight at me, and said, " Are you satan? " She knows

my name, but she calls me by my entire name, and has no memory or connection

that we are mother and daughter. She refuses to take anything from my hands, and

my father is the only one who can give her the meds or even a drink of water.

She used the portable commode and then kept checking to make sure my father

flushed it. I asked her what made her think we wouldn't flush it...what did she

think we were going to do with it. Her response was, " Feed it back to me. "

Last Saturday, she grabbed my sister's hand, and asked her if she was saved.

My sister said, " Of course, Mom. You were there at my baptism. " That wasn't

sufficient...my sister had to repeat a prayer for her salvation, and ask

forgiveness for all acts of adultery and fornication! I was standing in the

kitchen laughing my head off...when she came into the kitchen, she said, " Well,

at least it was short...if it'd been YOU, you'd still be asking forgiveness... "

At times, I feel guilty for laughing at some of the things that go on, but

then I realized that my laughter was a cover for the pain. It hurts. I know that

Mom's time is limited, and I still count each moment as precious.

Jannis

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Ruthie and Holly, welcome to you both! I meant to welcome you with your first

post Ruthie

but life got in the way as it does at times. I admire grandchildren (I guess I

should say

granddaughters as that it what it seems to be here) who care for grandparents,

along with

those who care for inlaws and other extended family. It is one thing to run the

gauntlet

for a parent or child, but beyond that is truly remarkable to me. You are young

and have

so much more you could be doing to get your lives underway. Thankfully there

are other

granddaughters here for you as well. Your mothers have done their jobs well

raising you.

, Oakville Ont. (a grandmother myself)

Mother, age 92, died Aug. 12/06 after 13 year decline from PDD

> >

> > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week.

> > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and

> she

> > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

> > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and

> went

> > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails

> trying

> > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in

> the

> > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At

> times I

> > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

> >

> > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with

> us.

> > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time (

> by

> > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs)

> then

> > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the

> house

> > naked....

> >

> > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to

> fool

> > us...

> >

> > I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

> >

>

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Thank you for your quick response Ron. Her current medications for the LBD

are:

Namenda 10 mg twice a day

Seroquel 50mg at bedtime

Arricept 10 mg at bedtime

Cymbalta 60 mg at bedtime

these are aside of her other medication that treat her dugar, blood pressure,

cholesterol, and rapid heart beat. Do you have a better combination for the

LBD??

dawgg4456 wrote:

---

Welcome Holly, you will find many wonderful people here.Im sorry to

hear about your grandmother.I was wondering what meds she is on?The

right meds combo can help alot.I hope things can get better for you

all.My best to you Ron

In LBDcaregivers , " holly " wrote:

>

> My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week.

> Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and

she

> wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

> haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and

went

> on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails

trying

> to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in

the

> morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At

times I

> wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

>

> Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with

us.

> Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time (

by

> that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs)

then

> there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the

house

> naked....

>

> My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to

fool

> us...

>

> I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

>

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Thanks you for your wonderful welcoming. I now feel that I am not alone in this

boat. I actually feel better and I am able to be more patient and uderstanding

of my grandmother after reading some responses. So once again Thank You!

stimtimminss wrote: Ruthie and Holly, welcome to you

both! I meant to welcome you with your first post Ruthie

but life got in the way as it does at times. I admire grandchildren (I guess I

should say

granddaughters as that it what it seems to be here) who care for grandparents,

along with

those who care for inlaws and other extended family. It is one thing to run the

gauntlet

for a parent or child, but beyond that is truly remarkable to me. You are young

and have

so much more you could be doing to get your lives underway. Thankfully there are

other

granddaughters here for you as well. Your mothers have done their jobs well

raising you.

, Oakville Ont. (a grandmother myself)

Mother, age 92, died Aug. 12/06 after 13 year decline from PDD

> >

> > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week.

> > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and

> she

> > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

> > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and

> went

> > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails

> trying

> > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in

> the

> > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At

> times I

> > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

> >

> > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with

> us.

> > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time (

> by

> > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs)

> then

> > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the

> house

> > naked....

> >

> > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to

> fool

> > us...

> >

> > I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

> >

>

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Holly: I don't remember if you said she had sleeping

problems or not. But, I might mention that the drug

rep for Aricept told me personally that Aricept should

be taken in the morning, as it wakes up the brain.

Because of that, if taken at bedtime, it could cause

some sleep problems. Also, be sure the last dose of

Namenda is pretty early in the afternoon, not after 3

p.m. I believe.

June

--- Holly Castaneda

wrote:

> Thank you for your quick response Ron. Her current

> medications for the LBD are:

>

> Namenda 10 mg twice a day

> Seroquel 50mg at bedtime

> Arricept 10 mg at bedtime

> Cymbalta 60 mg at bedtime

>

> these are aside of her other medication that treat

> her dugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, and rapid

> heart beat. Do you have a better combination for

> the LBD??

>

> dawgg4456 wrote:

> ---

> Welcome Holly, you will find many wonderful people

> here.Im sorry to

> hear about your grandmother.I was wondering what

> meds she is on?The

> right meds combo can help alot.I hope things can get

> better for you

> all.My best to you Ron

>

> In LBDcaregivers , " holly "

> wrote:

> >

> > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid

> with LBD last week.

> > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a

> tough cookie....and

> she

> > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was

> rough...she kept

> > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this

> started at 10pm and

> went

> > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in

> the bed rails

> trying

> > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a

> shower at 0100 in

> the

> > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work

> at 5 am. At

> times I

> > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

> >

> > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can

> converse well with

> us.

> > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn,

> lost in her time (

> by

> > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we

> have no pigs)

> then

> > there are days that she takes of her diapers and

> runs around the

> house

> > naked....

> >

> > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things

> up or trying to

> fool

> > us...

> >

> > I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Oh, my, June, we've been giving her the Namenda at bed time! Could that be

causing her sleep problems?

Gladys

-- Re: Re: Hello

Holly: I don't remember if you said she had sleeping

problems or not. But, I might mention that the drug

rep for Aricept told me personally that Aricept should

be taken in the morning, as it wakes up the brain.

Because of that, if taken at bedtime, it could cause

some sleep problems. Also, be sure the last dose of

Namenda is pretty early in the afternoon, not after 3

p.m. I believe.

June

--- Holly Castaneda

wrote:

> Thank you for your quick response Ron. Her current

> medications for the LBD are:

>

> Namenda 10 mg twice a day

> Seroquel 50mg at bedtime

> Arricept 10 mg at bedtime

> Cymbalta 60 mg at bedtime

>

> these are aside of her other medication that treat

> her dugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, and rapid

> heart beat. Do you have a better combination for

> the LBD??

>

> dawgg4456 wrote:

> ---

> Welcome Holly, you will find many wonderful people

> here.Im sorry to

> hear about your grandmother.I was wondering what

> meds she is on?The

> right meds combo can help alot.I hope things can get

> better for you

> all.My best to you Ron

>

> In LBDcaregivers , " holly "

> wrote:

> >

> > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid

> with LBD last week.

> > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a

> tough cookie....and

> she

> > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was

> rough...she kept

> > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this

> started at 10pm and

> went

> > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in

> the bed rails

> trying

> > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a

> shower at 0100 in

> the

> > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work

> at 5 am. At

> times I

> > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

> >

> > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can

> converse well with

> us.

> > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn,

> lost in her time (

> by

> > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we

> have no pigs)

> then

> > there are days that she takes of her diapers and

> runs around the

> house

> > naked....

> >

> > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things

> up or trying to

> fool

> > us...

> >

> > I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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---Hi Holly,

My mom is on the Namenda seroquel and aricept also.You know

though, and I think June from here in the group told me this, the

aricept is much better for mom if I give it to her in the morning

instead of night time.My dr told me to try night and it didnt work

very good at all and June from here in the group said morning and its

much better for moms sake..Good luck to you and my very best to you

and your Gramma. Ron

In LBDcaregivers , Holly Castaneda

wrote:

>

> Thank you for your quick response Ron. Her current medications

for the LBD are:

>

> Namenda 10 mg twice a day

> Seroquel 50mg at bedtime

> Arricept 10 mg at bedtime

> Cymbalta 60 mg at bedtime

>

> these are aside of her other medication that treat her dugar,

blood pressure, cholesterol, and rapid heart beat. Do you have a

better combination for the LBD??

>

> dawgg4456 wrote:

> ---

> Welcome Holly, you will find many wonderful people here.Im sorry to

> hear about your grandmother.I was wondering what meds she is on?The

> right meds combo can help alot.I hope things can get better for you

> all.My best to you Ron

>

> In LBDcaregivers , " holly " <holly.castaneda@> wrote:

> >

> > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last

week.

> > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and

> she

> > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

> > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm

and

> went

> > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails

> trying

> > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in

> the

> > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At

> times I

> > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

> >

> > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with

> us.

> > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time

(

> by

> > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs)

> then

> > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the

> house

> > naked....

> >

> > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to

> fool

> > us...

> >

> > I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Certainly worth trying it earlier in the day. I think

it is given twice daily??? If so, try one in the a.m.

and one before 3 and see what happens. Otherwise, if

it's just once a day, do it in the a.m. Aricept is

the one that wakes up the brain, so naturally, you

want them alert during the day.

My husband didn't have sleep problems at home, as he

took it in the a.m. When he went to the NH, they gave

it at night, and he never slept well most of the time

he was there. I asked them to give it in the a.m.,

which they said they did, but he probably by then had

gotten used to sleeping in the daytime and being awake

at night. Towards the end, he was sleeping a good

share of the time anyway.

--- Gladys Stefany wrote:

> Oh, my, June, we've been giving her the Namenda at

> bed time! Could that be

> causing her sleep problems?

>

> Gladys

>

> -- Re: Re: Hello

>

> Holly: I don't remember if you said she had

> sleeping

> problems or not. But, I might mention that the drug

> rep for Aricept told me personally that Aricept

> should

> be taken in the morning, as it wakes up the brain.

> Because of that, if taken at bedtime, it could cause

> some sleep problems. Also, be sure the last dose of

> Namenda is pretty early in the afternoon, not after

> 3

> p.m. I believe.

>

> June

>

>

> --- Holly Castaneda

> wrote:

>

> > Thank you for your quick response Ron. Her

> current

> > medications for the LBD are:

> >

> > Namenda 10 mg twice a day

> > Seroquel 50mg at bedtime

> > Arricept 10 mg at bedtime

> > Cymbalta 60 mg at bedtime

> >

> > these are aside of her other medication that

> treat

> > her dugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, and rapid

> > heart beat. Do you have a better combination for

> > the LBD??

> >

> > dawgg4456 wrote:

> > ---

> > Welcome Holly, you will find many wonderful people

> > here.Im sorry to

> > hear about your grandmother.I was wondering what

> > meds she is on?The

> > right meds combo can help alot.I hope things can

> get

> > better for you

> > all.My best to you Ron

> >

> > In LBDcaregivers , " holly "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid

> > with LBD last week.

> > > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a

> > tough cookie....and

> > she

> > > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was

> > rough...she kept

> > > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this

> > started at 10pm and

> > went

> > > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in

> > the bed rails

> > trying

> > > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a

> > shower at 0100 in

> > the

> > > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to

> work

> > at 5 am. At

> > times I

> > > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

> > >

> > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can

> > converse well with

> > us.

> > > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn,

> > lost in her time (

> > by

> > > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs?

> ...we

> > have no pigs)

> > then

> > > there are days that she takes of her diapers and

> > runs around the

> > house

> > > naked....

> > >

> > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things

> > up or trying to

> > fool

> > > us...

> > >

> > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

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Thank you Donna, My grandmother is on the

Namenda 10 mg twice a day once in the a.m. and the second at bedtime

Seroquel 50mg at bed time

and Arricept 10mg at bedtime.

Someone in the group hust made me aware about Arricept waking up the brain, so

1st thing tomorrow morning I plan to change that to the a.m.

I am will to try anything to try to help get my grandmother to sleep at

bedtime. I would be happy with 4 straight hours of sleep)

I am going to suggest to my mother that we take turns with gramma since it

does take a toll on the both of us.

And I'm going to look for the Melatonin tonight.

Thank you for the links, those were very informative. I've printed everything

out from there website.

The " Pity Party " is actually been very theraputical to me and my mother.

Everything The group shares with me I share with her...and I can see changes

with her srtress and frusterations.

Holly

wrote:

Holly - I agree we Donna - your grandmother should be checked for a

UTI... Welcome to the board - glad you found us! :) Let us know what

meds your grandmother is on. The one document that should be referred

to like a 'Lewy-bible' Dr. Bradley Boeve's paper - read here:

Diagnostic Review & Medicine Management

by Bradley F. Boeve, MD (October 2004) Physicians guide to diagnosing

and treating DLB/LBD. Includes recommended dosages.

http://www.lewybodydementia.org/Boevelink.php

Other good reads are:

A Must Read by Dr. Bradley Boeve

A Comprehensive Approach to Treatment can Significantly Improve the

Quality of Life of Patients with the Lewy body dementias.

http://www.lewybodydementia.org/AR0504BFB.php

*** 2006, September 08 -- Lewy body dementia

From MayoClinic.com, Special to CNN.com. Norma says, " ...this is the

most detailed, accurate information I've ever read about LBD. I think

it should be sent to all new caregivers AND doctors who aren't clear.

Thoughts everyone? " Keli says, " Definately yes!!! This is very

informative yet not overwhelming. It can easily be shared with

others. I intend to have my husband and children read it, and

hopefully my moms dr's as well. Very good information. "

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00795.html

LBD Brochure

(to print use legal size paper)

http://www.lewybodydementia.org/docs/LBDAbroch_webLGL.pdf

Live Chat Event with Dr. Gomperts, MD

Dr. Gomperts answered your questions on this Q & A session with Dr.

Gomperts, MD

http://www.lewybodydementia.org/docs/gomperts_transcript.pdf

; loving daughter of Maureen of Boston, MA; dx'd with LBD in

2/2006 (confirmed via brain biopsy;) fell victim to rapid decline

from Risperidone; Mom fell into the 50% category of those who could

not handle antipsychotics; Was successful on Celexa, Exelon, ALA &

B1; Mom became my Guardian Angel on Sept. 30th, 2006.

>

> Holly,

>

> Welcome,

>

> You may not have heard of LBD before, but it sure sounds like you

are living it. My Mom was up every other night for 3 years. At

times it seemed to me she knew, but eventually I knew she wasn't

faking.

>

> If you go to the bottom of this email and find " Links " and " Lists "

you will find out lots of information about LBD that we have

collected. Many times Mom was given Meds that just didn't work. The

MDs are just starting to diagnosis it, much less understand the

Meds. My Mom was one who just couldn't do meds as they made her

worse, not better. At one point I was cutting an anti-anxiety pill

in quarters and giving her quarter of a pill all day. It worked

fine. Other than that I was fighting with MDs all the time to take

her off drugs.

>

> Check out what meds she is on and how much, and we can help you

know which might be a problem. Most MDs use to much and to fast.

And it makes things worse.

>

> Also, when Mom got upset, the MD that finally worked with me,

always said, " Bring her in and we will check for UTI.. (Urinary.

Track. Infection) And she always had one. And I would forget the

next time. But we would do it all over again. I just always tried

to remember, " Mom is scared, what can I do to help her fears. " The

more fears I calmed, the easier time I had. (Not that I could always

do that either.)

>

> Keep night lights on for her at night. Keep glaring glass covered,

(it makes for " lots of people " Mirrors, windows and pictures.

>

> So you will learn to live with Lewy. And come here for that Pity

Party that Carol was talking about. Sometimes you just have to

spout. You and your Mom will hopefully find a way to trade nights if

and when you need, so one of you isn't up all the time.. There is an

over the counter med called Melatonin that I could give Mom with no

bad effects. And even if she didn't sleep, she stayed calm and in

bed. You will learn to do whatever works.

>

> Glad you are here.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Donna R

>

>

> Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years

and 4th year in a nh.

> She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

>

>

> Hello

>

> My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week.

> Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and

she

> wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept

> haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and

went

> on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails

trying

> to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in

the

> morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At

times I

> wanted to yell at her...but I didn't.

>

> Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with

us.

> Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time (

by

> that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs)

then

> there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the

house

> naked....

>

> My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to

fool

> us...

>

> I am confused, frusterated and stressed.....

>

>

>

>

>

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