Guest guest Posted June 8, 1999 Report Share Posted June 8, 1999 Hi , Yes, I can imagine that you have a lot of questions. These surgeries are scarey. I just had my second and third in NOvember and December. My first surgery 8 years ago didn't do what I'd hoped. For 7 years I just believed that I'd have to just live or learn to live the way I was. WHich wasn't fun!!!!! I am glad to say that my recent surgeries have really made a difference. I'm battling headaches right now but I think they'll stop soon. I feel really good...I have four young children and keep up with them pretty good. I still have limits...I know them...and I try not to exceed them. That makes a big difference in how I feel. As for going back to work...yep no problem just don't rush it because it'll just set you back and take a lot longer to heal!!! You'll have a whole group with you now!!!! You're not alone! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/chiari - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 1999 Report Share Posted June 8, 1999 , Hi! I have found the emails from this group are wonderfully informative! I was diagnosed while in Europe (where I work) and felt very much alone. However, the internet is full of great information for you. I would recommend the following for the BEST use of your time: * Chip's pages of success stories put me at eaze! * Chip's web pages are just super and his links are good, too! * Chiari.com has some articles/ information that is great basic information and I printed out everything that I read. I took it to the neurosurgeons with me. I saw two excellent neurosurgeons---2nd opinions are highly recommended by Chip, et. al. * I did various internet searches, but the links at both Chip and chiari/WACMA websites are the best! Welcome to the club-if it really is one. My surgery is June 14th at UVA. I am looking forward to feeling better! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/chiari - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 1999 Report Share Posted June 8, 1999 , Hi! I have found the emails from this group are wonderfully informative! I was diagnosed while in Europe (where I work) and felt very much alone. However, the internet is full of great information for you. I would recommend the following for the BEST use of your time: * Chip's pages of success stories put me at eaze! * Chip's web pages are just super and his links are good, too! * Chiari.com has some articles/ information that is great basic information and I printed out everything that I read. I took it to the neurosurgeons with me. I saw two excellent neurosurgeons---2nd opinions are highly recommended by Chip, et. al. * I did various internet searches, but the links at both Chip and chiari/WACMA websites are the best! Welcome to the club-if it really is one. My surgery is June 14th at UVA. I am looking forward to feeling better! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/chiari - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 1999 Report Share Posted June 8, 1999 Hi . I'm Carla. I have been in this group for three months, though I had my decompression three years ago. I am currently having difficulties, though my nsg (neurosurgeon) is leaning towards injury being my current culprit. Here are a couple of pieces of advice from a pro. 1) surgery is survivable, painful, but they have good drugs to help with that. My scar is a nice thin line down the back of my neck, most people don't really pay attention to it, if I let my hair grow longer, they don't notice. I, however, usually wear a wedge cut with pride, and figure I've earned that scar. Let 'em wonder. 2) recovery varies- typically 2-4 months for the worst of the headaches to go away, 6-12 months for full recovery of strength and neck motion. 3) work - take AT LEAST three weeks, I went back three weeks later, and I was considered the exception, and I still felt it was too soon. Six to eight weeks is more reasonable, longer if your job is physically stressful. 4) future - AVOID things that will cause you further problems like trauma to the head. While it is impossible to live in a bubble, things like amusement park rides are not advisable (I learned the hard way). Another thing to avoid is car accidents, though how to avoid them, I don't know. 5) support - you have come to the right place for support. These people are angels. Carla ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/chiari - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Dear Robin, Welcome to the group! Glad to have you aboard! You can learn a great deal about alternative MS treatments by visiting http://i.webring.com/hub?ring=multiplescleros1 With best wishes, Dudley Delany http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 robin.. Hi...I have been getting mail from the group for a few months.....The title seemed interesting...This group will discourage anything but natural treatments.........Don't give up Robin.........Try www.joolysjoint.com for ms chat. etc......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 I just read this post I sent and it sounded negative!!!! .......I have learned good things here.....i also found a website good for communicating with others with MS and the address was www.Joolysjoint.com this group got me off Baclofen though.............Yeah!!!...I just wanted Robin to know that this group promotes natural helpers.....I was dissapointed after joining....but keep getting mails because who knows what good can come??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Welcome to Lewyville! We are a wonderful place to vent, as well as have your questions answered. Probably all of us have had the night you had last night. We understand, and know how much you might have loved to have yelled, but didn't. I think that is where much of the caregiver builds their stress levels. Find out what is working for some in terms of keeping the LO in nights and days. there will be a plethora of answers, I am sure. I am mostly on the question side of this disease, but can give you empathy all day long. hang in, and vent often! Carol If you throw yourself a pity party, most of us will show up! We love to party! > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and she > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and went > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails trying > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in the > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At times I > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with us. > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( by > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) then > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the house > naked.... > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to fool > us... > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 P.S. We often figure out a little late that they are not faking it. it is where they are on the Lewy Body Trail, and they don't always leave a trail of bread crumbs. Carol > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and she > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and went > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails trying > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in the > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At times I > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with us. > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( by > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) then > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the house > naked.... > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to fool > us... > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Oh, Holly..... You've come to there right place. Rest assured that your grandma is not doing these things on purpose and is not trying to fool you. I know you will find much support and knowledge here. My daughter helps me care for my mother and I hope she'll come out and introduce herself to you. Gladys -- Hello My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and she wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and went on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails trying to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in the morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At times I wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with us. Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( by that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) then there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the house naked.... My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to fool us... I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... Welcome to LBDcaregivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hello Holly, My name is Ruthie. (I'm Gladys' daughter) I also help my mother take care of my Grandmother. I can completely understand you wanting to yell. I was feeling that way myself today. I couldn't even figure out why she was mad but I was trying to help and she just started getting incredibly mad at me and throwing (for a person who does not know she has LBD or the symptoms would view as) a full blown temper tantrum. One night while I was here I did not sleep a bit because she was convinced the house was on fire and I had to keep her from calling the fire department. If you ever need someone to talk to who understands I am here and I know the wonderful people on this list are as well. It is good to get it out and also to know that you're not a lone. Ruthie > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and she > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and went > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails trying > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in the > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At times I > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with us. > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( by > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) then > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the house > naked.... > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to fool > us... > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I understand frustration with LO's. Just remember, though, that they have no control and the disease is the one controlling when things happen. This has been a really hard week for our family. Dad (primary caregiver, age 84) got up during the evening to check on something and he fell. When he fell, my mother came to a little, decided to get out of her bed and help him. She fell. Dad crawled to the phone and called 911, and then lost consciousness. EMSA came and took them both to the hospital, didn't call any of us, and we didn't find out until almost 8 hours later that they were in hospital. They kept them overnight for observation, and I had to miss three more days of work last week in addition to the 5 that I missed the end of the week before and the first of last week. My sister and I are both jeopardizing our jobs trying to take care of things. My dad refuses to accept even the IDEA of an NH. He is supported in that feeling by my two brothers, neither of whom are accepting any responsibility for Mom's care. My sister and I are worn to a frazzle. Mom is quickly going downhill. I don't know the progression of the disease, but it's my feeling that she's probably in the final stages. She eats no more than two or three spoonfuls of food per day, and often spits that out. She drinks less than a cup of water a day. She either sleeps or pulls the covers over her head and doesn't talk to anyone for probably 23 hours and 55 minutes of each day. As a family, we're opposed to feeding tubes or artificial hydration to prolong her life. She is in a living hell right now, having hallucinations and seeing things. Tonight she looked straight at me, and said, " Are you satan? " She knows my name, but she calls me by my entire name, and has no memory or connection that we are mother and daughter. She refuses to take anything from my hands, and my father is the only one who can give her the meds or even a drink of water. She used the portable commode and then kept checking to make sure my father flushed it. I asked her what made her think we wouldn't flush it...what did she think we were going to do with it. Her response was, " Feed it back to me. " Last Saturday, she grabbed my sister's hand, and asked her if she was saved. My sister said, " Of course, Mom. You were there at my baptism. " That wasn't sufficient...my sister had to repeat a prayer for her salvation, and ask forgiveness for all acts of adultery and fornication! I was standing in the kitchen laughing my head off...when she came into the kitchen, she said, " Well, at least it was short...if it'd been YOU, you'd still be asking forgiveness... " At times, I feel guilty for laughing at some of the things that go on, but then I realized that my laughter was a cover for the pain. It hurts. I know that Mom's time is limited, and I still count each moment as precious. Jannis --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 (((HUGS)))) Jannis My heart and prayers go out to you. Gladys -- Re: Hello I understand frustration with LO's. Just remember, though, that they have no control and the disease is the one controlling when things happen. This has been a really hard week for our family. Dad (primary caregiver, age 84) got up during the evening to check on something and he fell. When he fell, my mother came to a little, decided to get out of her bed and help him. She fell. Dad crawled to the phone and called 911, and then lost consciousness. EMSA came and took them both to the hospital, didn't call any of us, and we didn't find out until almost 8 hours later that they were in hospital. They kept them overnight for observation, and I had to miss three more days of work last week in addition to the 5 that I missed the end of the week before and the first of last week. My sister and I are both jeopardizing our jobs trying to take care of things. My dad refuses to accept even the IDEA of an NH. He is supported in that feeling by my two brothers, neither of whom are accepting any responsibility for Mom's care. My sister and I are worn to a frazzle. Mom is quickly going downhill. I don't know the progression of the disease, but it's my feeling that she's probably in the final stages. She eats no more than two or three spoonfuls of food per day, and often spits that out. She drinks less than a cup of water a day. She either sleeps or pulls the covers over her head and doesn't talk to anyone for probably 23 hours and 55 minutes of each day. As a family, we're opposed to feeding tubes or artificial hydration to prolong her life. She is in a living hell right now, having hallucinations and seeing things. Tonight she looked straight at me, and said, " Are you satan? " She knows my name, but she calls me by my entire name, and has no memory or connection that we are mother and daughter. She refuses to take anything from my hands, and my father is the only one who can give her the meds or even a drink of water. She used the portable commode and then kept checking to make sure my father flushed it. I asked her what made her think we wouldn't flush it.. what did she think we were going to do with it. Her response was, " Feed it back to me. " Last Saturday, she grabbed my sister's hand, and asked her if she was saved. My sister said, " Of course, Mom. You were there at my baptism. " That wasn't sufficient...my sister had to repeat a prayer for her salvation, and ask forgiveness for all acts of adultery and fornication! I was standing in the kitchen laughing my head off...when she came into the kitchen, she said, " Well, at least it was short...if it'd been YOU, you'd still be asking forgiveness... " At times, I feel guilty for laughing at some of the things that go on, but then I realized that my laughter was a cover for the pain. It hurts. I know that Mom's time is limited, and I still count each moment as precious. Jannis --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Holly, Welcome, You may not have heard of LBD before, but it sure sounds like you are living it. My Mom was up every other night for 3 years. At times it seemed to me she knew, but eventually I knew she wasn't faking. If you go to the bottom of this email and find " Links " and " Lists " you will find out lots of information about LBD that we have collected. Many times Mom was given Meds that just didn't work. The MDs are just starting to diagnosis it, much less understand the Meds. My Mom was one who just couldn't do meds as they made her worse, not better. At one point I was cutting an anti-anxiety pill in quarters and giving her quarter of a pill all day. It worked fine. Other than that I was fighting with MDs all the time to take her off drugs. Check out what meds she is on and how much, and we can help you know which might be a problem. Most MDs use to much and to fast. And it makes things worse. Also, when Mom got upset, the MD that finally worked with me, always said, " Bring her in and we will check for UTI.. (Urinary. Track. Infection) And she always had one. And I would forget the next time. But we would do it all over again. I just always tried to remember, " Mom is scared, what can I do to help her fears. " The more fears I calmed, the easier time I had. (Not that I could always do that either.) Keep night lights on for her at night. Keep glaring glass covered, (it makes for " lots of people " Mirrors, windows and pictures. So you will learn to live with Lewy. And come here for that Pity Party that Carol was talking about. Sometimes you just have to spout. You and your Mom will hopefully find a way to trade nights if and when you need, so one of you isn't up all the time.. There is an over the counter med called Melatonin that I could give Mom with no bad effects. And even if she didn't sleep, she stayed calm and in bed. You will learn to do whatever works. Glad you are here. Hugs, Donna R Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in a nh. She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine. Hello My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and she wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and went on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails trying to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in the morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At times I wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with us. Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( by that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) then there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the house naked.... My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to fool us... I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Holly - I agree we Donna - your grandmother should be checked for a UTI... Welcome to the board - glad you found us! Let us know what meds your grandmother is on. The one document that should be referred to like a 'Lewy-bible' Dr. Bradley Boeve's paper - read here: Diagnostic Review & Medicine Management by Bradley F. Boeve, MD (October 2004) Physicians guide to diagnosing and treating DLB/LBD. Includes recommended dosages. http://www.lewybodydementia.org/Boevelink.php Other good reads are: A Must Read by Dr. Bradley Boeve A Comprehensive Approach to Treatment can Significantly Improve the Quality of Life of Patients with the Lewy body dementias. http://www.lewybodydementia.org/AR0504BFB.php *** 2006, September 08 -- Lewy body dementia From MayoClinic.com, Special to CNN.com. Norma says, " ...this is the most detailed, accurate information I've ever read about LBD. I think it should be sent to all new caregivers AND doctors who aren't clear. Thoughts everyone? " Keli says, " Definately yes!!! This is very informative yet not overwhelming. It can easily be shared with others. I intend to have my husband and children read it, and hopefully my moms dr's as well. Very good information. " http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00795.html LBD Brochure (to print use legal size paper) http://www.lewybodydementia.org/docs/LBDAbroch_webLGL.pdf Live Chat Event with Dr. Gomperts, MD Dr. Gomperts answered your questions on this Q & A session with Dr. Gomperts, MD http://www.lewybodydementia.org/docs/gomperts_transcript.pdf ; loving daughter of Maureen of Boston, MA; dx'd with LBD in 2/2006 (confirmed via brain biopsy;) fell victim to rapid decline from Risperidone; Mom fell into the 50% category of those who could not handle antipsychotics; Was successful on Celexa, Exelon, ALA & B1; Mom became my Guardian Angel on Sept. 30th, 2006. > > Holly, > > Welcome, > > You may not have heard of LBD before, but it sure sounds like you are living it. My Mom was up every other night for 3 years. At times it seemed to me she knew, but eventually I knew she wasn't faking. > > If you go to the bottom of this email and find " Links " and " Lists " you will find out lots of information about LBD that we have collected. Many times Mom was given Meds that just didn't work. The MDs are just starting to diagnosis it, much less understand the Meds. My Mom was one who just couldn't do meds as they made her worse, not better. At one point I was cutting an anti-anxiety pill in quarters and giving her quarter of a pill all day. It worked fine. Other than that I was fighting with MDs all the time to take her off drugs. > > Check out what meds she is on and how much, and we can help you know which might be a problem. Most MDs use to much and to fast. And it makes things worse. > > Also, when Mom got upset, the MD that finally worked with me, always said, " Bring her in and we will check for UTI.. (Urinary. Track. Infection) And she always had one. And I would forget the next time. But we would do it all over again. I just always tried to remember, " Mom is scared, what can I do to help her fears. " The more fears I calmed, the easier time I had. (Not that I could always do that either.) > > Keep night lights on for her at night. Keep glaring glass covered, (it makes for " lots of people " Mirrors, windows and pictures. > > So you will learn to live with Lewy. And come here for that Pity Party that Carol was talking about. Sometimes you just have to spout. You and your Mom will hopefully find a way to trade nights if and when you need, so one of you isn't up all the time.. There is an over the counter med called Melatonin that I could give Mom with no bad effects. And even if she didn't sleep, she stayed calm and in bed. You will learn to do whatever works. > > Glad you are here. > > Hugs, > > Donna R > > > Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in a nh. > She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine. > > > Hello > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and she > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and went > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails trying > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in the > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At times I > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with us. > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( by > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) then > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the house > naked.... > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to fool > us... > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Jannis -- I'm so sorry you are having to deal with so many tough situations! How stressful for you & your sister! Is there a possibility of some outside help by paid caregivers to be at home w/ your parents? Most definitely a Lifeline should be installed: Lifeline Lifeline can not only protect a life...it can preserve a cherished way of life by giving seniors the confidence to continue living in their own homes. A Lifeline medical alert costs little more than a dollar a day, yet gives you peace of mind that is priceless. http://www.lifelinesys.com/ Where do you live? > > I understand frustration with LO's. Just remember, though, that they have no control and the disease is the one controlling when things happen. > > This has been a really hard week for our family. Dad (primary caregiver, age 84) got up during the evening to check on something and he fell. When he fell, my mother came to a little, decided to get out of her bed and help him. She fell. Dad crawled to the phone and called 911, and then lost consciousness. EMSA came and took them both to the hospital, didn't call any of us, and we didn't find out until almost 8 hours later that they were in hospital. They kept them overnight for observation, and I had to miss three more days of work last week in addition to the 5 that I missed the end of the week before and the first of last week. My sister and I are both jeopardizing our jobs trying to take care of things. > > My dad refuses to accept even the IDEA of an NH. He is supported in that feeling by my two brothers, neither of whom are accepting any responsibility for Mom's care. My sister and I are worn to a frazzle. > > Mom is quickly going downhill. I don't know the progression of the disease, but it's my feeling that she's probably in the final stages. She eats no more than two or three spoonfuls of food per day, and often spits that out. She drinks less than a cup of water a day. She either sleeps or pulls the covers over her head and doesn't talk to anyone for probably 23 hours and 55 minutes of each day. > > As a family, we're opposed to feeding tubes or artificial hydration to prolong her life. She is in a living hell right now, having hallucinations and seeing things. Tonight she looked straight at me, and said, " Are you satan? " She knows my name, but she calls me by my entire name, and has no memory or connection that we are mother and daughter. She refuses to take anything from my hands, and my father is the only one who can give her the meds or even a drink of water. > > She used the portable commode and then kept checking to make sure my father flushed it. I asked her what made her think we wouldn't flush it...what did she think we were going to do with it. Her response was, " Feed it back to me. " > > Last Saturday, she grabbed my sister's hand, and asked her if she was saved. My sister said, " Of course, Mom. You were there at my baptism. " That wasn't sufficient...my sister had to repeat a prayer for her salvation, and ask forgiveness for all acts of adultery and fornication! I was standing in the kitchen laughing my head off...when she came into the kitchen, she said, " Well, at least it was short...if it'd been YOU, you'd still be asking forgiveness... " > > At times, I feel guilty for laughing at some of the things that go on, but then I realized that my laughter was a cover for the pain. It hurts. I know that Mom's time is limited, and I still count each moment as precious. > > Jannis > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Oh Jannis, You've got me laughing up here in Toronto! That was a good comeback from your sister. Please don't feel badly about the laughing because its the LBD we are laughing at. I don't know how I would have gotten through being a hands on caregiver to mom if not for the laughter. Sometimes, mom and I would laugh together after she had done or said something Lewy. I'm sorry to hear that your brothers are not being helpful and supportive (so many of us here have siblings who are just the same). If they can't or won't help the least they can do is stay out of the way. Is it possible to have in-home care for your mom and dad? Only after my mom went into care did we get her a personal caregiver and we could have kicked ourselves for not doing it earlier. I do hope your dad is open to the idea. I so agree with you that every moment we have with our LO's is precious. Watching them decline is so very difficult for us but it must be even harder on them. What I wouldn't give to hear to mom's voice today. Courage Re: Hello I understand frustration with LO's. Just remember, though, that they have no control and the disease is the one controlling when things happen. This has been a really hard week for our family. Dad (primary caregiver, age 84) got up during the evening to check on something and he fell. When he fell, my mother came to a little, decided to get out of her bed and help him. She fell. Dad crawled to the phone and called 911, and then lost consciousness. EMSA came and took them both to the hospital, didn't call any of us, and we didn't find out until almost 8 hours later that they were in hospital. They kept them overnight for observation, and I had to miss three more days of work last week in addition to the 5 that I missed the end of the week before and the first of last week. My sister and I are both jeopardizing our jobs trying to take care of things. My dad refuses to accept even the IDEA of an NH. He is supported in that feeling by my two brothers, neither of whom are accepting any responsibility for Mom's care. My sister and I are worn to a frazzle. Mom is quickly going downhill. I don't know the progression of the disease, but it's my feeling that she's probably in the final stages. She eats no more than two or three spoonfuls of food per day, and often spits that out. She drinks less than a cup of water a day. She either sleeps or pulls the covers over her head and doesn't talk to anyone for probably 23 hours and 55 minutes of each day. As a family, we're opposed to feeding tubes or artificial hydration to prolong her life. She is in a living hell right now, having hallucinations and seeing things. Tonight she looked straight at me, and said, " Are you satan? " She knows my name, but she calls me by my entire name, and has no memory or connection that we are mother and daughter. She refuses to take anything from my hands, and my father is the only one who can give her the meds or even a drink of water. She used the portable commode and then kept checking to make sure my father flushed it. I asked her what made her think we wouldn't flush it...what did she think we were going to do with it. Her response was, " Feed it back to me. " Last Saturday, she grabbed my sister's hand, and asked her if she was saved. My sister said, " Of course, Mom. You were there at my baptism. " That wasn't sufficient...my sister had to repeat a prayer for her salvation, and ask forgiveness for all acts of adultery and fornication! I was standing in the kitchen laughing my head off...when she came into the kitchen, she said, " Well, at least it was short...if it'd been YOU, you'd still be asking forgiveness... " At times, I feel guilty for laughing at some of the things that go on, but then I realized that my laughter was a cover for the pain. It hurts. I know that Mom's time is limited, and I still count each moment as precious. Jannis --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Ruthie and Holly, welcome to you both! I meant to welcome you with your first post Ruthie but life got in the way as it does at times. I admire grandchildren (I guess I should say granddaughters as that it what it seems to be here) who care for grandparents, along with those who care for inlaws and other extended family. It is one thing to run the gauntlet for a parent or child, but beyond that is truly remarkable to me. You are young and have so much more you could be doing to get your lives underway. Thankfully there are other granddaughters here for you as well. Your mothers have done their jobs well raising you. , Oakville Ont. (a grandmother myself) Mother, age 92, died Aug. 12/06 after 13 year decline from PDD > > > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. > > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and > she > > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept > > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and > went > > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails > trying > > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in > the > > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At > times I > > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with > us. > > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( > by > > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) > then > > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the > house > > naked.... > > > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to > fool > > us... > > > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Thank you for your quick response Ron. Her current medications for the LBD are: Namenda 10 mg twice a day Seroquel 50mg at bedtime Arricept 10 mg at bedtime Cymbalta 60 mg at bedtime these are aside of her other medication that treat her dugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, and rapid heart beat. Do you have a better combination for the LBD?? dawgg4456 wrote: --- Welcome Holly, you will find many wonderful people here.Im sorry to hear about your grandmother.I was wondering what meds she is on?The right meds combo can help alot.I hope things can get better for you all.My best to you Ron In LBDcaregivers , " holly " wrote: > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and she > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and went > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails trying > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in the > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At times I > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with us. > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( by > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) then > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the house > naked.... > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to fool > us... > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Thanks you for your wonderful welcoming. I now feel that I am not alone in this boat. I actually feel better and I am able to be more patient and uderstanding of my grandmother after reading some responses. So once again Thank You! stimtimminss wrote: Ruthie and Holly, welcome to you both! I meant to welcome you with your first post Ruthie but life got in the way as it does at times. I admire grandchildren (I guess I should say granddaughters as that it what it seems to be here) who care for grandparents, along with those who care for inlaws and other extended family. It is one thing to run the gauntlet for a parent or child, but beyond that is truly remarkable to me. You are young and have so much more you could be doing to get your lives underway. Thankfully there are other granddaughters here for you as well. Your mothers have done their jobs well raising you. , Oakville Ont. (a grandmother myself) Mother, age 92, died Aug. 12/06 after 13 year decline from PDD > > > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. > > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and > she > > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept > > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and > went > > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails > trying > > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in > the > > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At > times I > > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with > us. > > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( > by > > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) > then > > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the > house > > naked.... > > > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to > fool > > us... > > > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Holly: I don't remember if you said she had sleeping problems or not. But, I might mention that the drug rep for Aricept told me personally that Aricept should be taken in the morning, as it wakes up the brain. Because of that, if taken at bedtime, it could cause some sleep problems. Also, be sure the last dose of Namenda is pretty early in the afternoon, not after 3 p.m. I believe. June --- Holly Castaneda wrote: > Thank you for your quick response Ron. Her current > medications for the LBD are: > > Namenda 10 mg twice a day > Seroquel 50mg at bedtime > Arricept 10 mg at bedtime > Cymbalta 60 mg at bedtime > > these are aside of her other medication that treat > her dugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, and rapid > heart beat. Do you have a better combination for > the LBD?? > > dawgg4456 wrote: > --- > Welcome Holly, you will find many wonderful people > here.Im sorry to > hear about your grandmother.I was wondering what > meds she is on?The > right meds combo can help alot.I hope things can get > better for you > all.My best to you Ron > > In LBDcaregivers , " holly " > wrote: > > > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid > with LBD last week. > > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a > tough cookie....and > she > > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was > rough...she kept > > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this > started at 10pm and > went > > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in > the bed rails > trying > > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a > shower at 0100 in > the > > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work > at 5 am. At > times I > > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can > converse well with > us. > > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, > lost in her time ( > by > > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we > have no pigs) > then > > there are days that she takes of her diapers and > runs around the > house > > naked.... > > > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things > up or trying to > fool > > us... > > > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Oh, my, June, we've been giving her the Namenda at bed time! Could that be causing her sleep problems? Gladys -- Re: Re: Hello Holly: I don't remember if you said she had sleeping problems or not. But, I might mention that the drug rep for Aricept told me personally that Aricept should be taken in the morning, as it wakes up the brain. Because of that, if taken at bedtime, it could cause some sleep problems. Also, be sure the last dose of Namenda is pretty early in the afternoon, not after 3 p.m. I believe. June --- Holly Castaneda wrote: > Thank you for your quick response Ron. Her current > medications for the LBD are: > > Namenda 10 mg twice a day > Seroquel 50mg at bedtime > Arricept 10 mg at bedtime > Cymbalta 60 mg at bedtime > > these are aside of her other medication that treat > her dugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, and rapid > heart beat. Do you have a better combination for > the LBD?? > > dawgg4456 wrote: > --- > Welcome Holly, you will find many wonderful people > here.Im sorry to > hear about your grandmother.I was wondering what > meds she is on?The > right meds combo can help alot.I hope things can get > better for you > all.My best to you Ron > > In LBDcaregivers , " holly " > wrote: > > > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid > with LBD last week. > > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a > tough cookie....and > she > > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was > rough...she kept > > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this > started at 10pm and > went > > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in > the bed rails > trying > > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a > shower at 0100 in > the > > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work > at 5 am. At > times I > > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can > converse well with > us. > > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, > lost in her time ( > by > > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we > have no pigs) > then > > there are days that she takes of her diapers and > runs around the > house > > naked.... > > > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things > up or trying to > fool > > us... > > > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > _____________________________________________________________________________ ______ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/ _ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Welcome to LBDcaregivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 ---Hi Holly, My mom is on the Namenda seroquel and aricept also.You know though, and I think June from here in the group told me this, the aricept is much better for mom if I give it to her in the morning instead of night time.My dr told me to try night and it didnt work very good at all and June from here in the group said morning and its much better for moms sake..Good luck to you and my very best to you and your Gramma. Ron In LBDcaregivers , Holly Castaneda wrote: > > Thank you for your quick response Ron. Her current medications for the LBD are: > > Namenda 10 mg twice a day > Seroquel 50mg at bedtime > Arricept 10 mg at bedtime > Cymbalta 60 mg at bedtime > > these are aside of her other medication that treat her dugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, and rapid heart beat. Do you have a better combination for the LBD?? > > dawgg4456 wrote: > --- > Welcome Holly, you will find many wonderful people here.Im sorry to > hear about your grandmother.I was wondering what meds she is on?The > right meds combo can help alot.I hope things can get better for you > all.My best to you Ron > > In LBDcaregivers , " holly " <holly.castaneda@> wrote: > > > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. > > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and > she > > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept > > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and > went > > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails > trying > > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in > the > > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At > times I > > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with > us. > > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( > by > > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) > then > > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the > house > > naked.... > > > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to > fool > > us... > > > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Certainly worth trying it earlier in the day. I think it is given twice daily??? If so, try one in the a.m. and one before 3 and see what happens. Otherwise, if it's just once a day, do it in the a.m. Aricept is the one that wakes up the brain, so naturally, you want them alert during the day. My husband didn't have sleep problems at home, as he took it in the a.m. When he went to the NH, they gave it at night, and he never slept well most of the time he was there. I asked them to give it in the a.m., which they said they did, but he probably by then had gotten used to sleeping in the daytime and being awake at night. Towards the end, he was sleeping a good share of the time anyway. --- Gladys Stefany wrote: > Oh, my, June, we've been giving her the Namenda at > bed time! Could that be > causing her sleep problems? > > Gladys > > -- Re: Re: Hello > > Holly: I don't remember if you said she had > sleeping > problems or not. But, I might mention that the drug > rep for Aricept told me personally that Aricept > should > be taken in the morning, as it wakes up the brain. > Because of that, if taken at bedtime, it could cause > some sleep problems. Also, be sure the last dose of > Namenda is pretty early in the afternoon, not after > 3 > p.m. I believe. > > June > > > --- Holly Castaneda > wrote: > > > Thank you for your quick response Ron. Her > current > > medications for the LBD are: > > > > Namenda 10 mg twice a day > > Seroquel 50mg at bedtime > > Arricept 10 mg at bedtime > > Cymbalta 60 mg at bedtime > > > > these are aside of her other medication that > treat > > her dugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, and rapid > > heart beat. Do you have a better combination for > > the LBD?? > > > > dawgg4456 wrote: > > --- > > Welcome Holly, you will find many wonderful people > > here.Im sorry to > > hear about your grandmother.I was wondering what > > meds she is on?The > > right meds combo can help alot.I hope things can > get > > better for you > > all.My best to you Ron > > > > In LBDcaregivers , " holly " > > wrote: > > > > > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid > > with LBD last week. > > > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a > > tough cookie....and > > she > > > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was > > rough...she kept > > > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this > > started at 10pm and > > went > > > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in > > the bed rails > > trying > > > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a > > shower at 0100 in > > the > > > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to > work > > at 5 am. At > > times I > > > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > > > > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can > > converse well with > > us. > > > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, > > lost in her time ( > > by > > > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? > ...we > > have no pigs) > > then > > > there are days that she takes of her diapers and > > runs around the > > house > > > naked.... > > > > > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things > > up or trying to > > fool > > > us... > > > > > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/ > _ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > Welcome to LBDcaregivers. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Thank you Donna, My grandmother is on the Namenda 10 mg twice a day once in the a.m. and the second at bedtime Seroquel 50mg at bed time and Arricept 10mg at bedtime. Someone in the group hust made me aware about Arricept waking up the brain, so 1st thing tomorrow morning I plan to change that to the a.m. I am will to try anything to try to help get my grandmother to sleep at bedtime. I would be happy with 4 straight hours of sleep) I am going to suggest to my mother that we take turns with gramma since it does take a toll on the both of us. And I'm going to look for the Melatonin tonight. Thank you for the links, those were very informative. I've printed everything out from there website. The " Pity Party " is actually been very theraputical to me and my mother. Everything The group shares with me I share with her...and I can see changes with her srtress and frusterations. Holly wrote: Holly - I agree we Donna - your grandmother should be checked for a UTI... Welcome to the board - glad you found us! Let us know what meds your grandmother is on. The one document that should be referred to like a 'Lewy-bible' Dr. Bradley Boeve's paper - read here: Diagnostic Review & Medicine Management by Bradley F. Boeve, MD (October 2004) Physicians guide to diagnosing and treating DLB/LBD. Includes recommended dosages. http://www.lewybodydementia.org/Boevelink.php Other good reads are: A Must Read by Dr. Bradley Boeve A Comprehensive Approach to Treatment can Significantly Improve the Quality of Life of Patients with the Lewy body dementias. http://www.lewybodydementia.org/AR0504BFB.php *** 2006, September 08 -- Lewy body dementia From MayoClinic.com, Special to CNN.com. Norma says, " ...this is the most detailed, accurate information I've ever read about LBD. I think it should be sent to all new caregivers AND doctors who aren't clear. Thoughts everyone? " Keli says, " Definately yes!!! This is very informative yet not overwhelming. It can easily be shared with others. I intend to have my husband and children read it, and hopefully my moms dr's as well. Very good information. " http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00795.html LBD Brochure (to print use legal size paper) http://www.lewybodydementia.org/docs/LBDAbroch_webLGL.pdf Live Chat Event with Dr. Gomperts, MD Dr. Gomperts answered your questions on this Q & A session with Dr. Gomperts, MD http://www.lewybodydementia.org/docs/gomperts_transcript.pdf ; loving daughter of Maureen of Boston, MA; dx'd with LBD in 2/2006 (confirmed via brain biopsy;) fell victim to rapid decline from Risperidone; Mom fell into the 50% category of those who could not handle antipsychotics; Was successful on Celexa, Exelon, ALA & B1; Mom became my Guardian Angel on Sept. 30th, 2006. > > Holly, > > Welcome, > > You may not have heard of LBD before, but it sure sounds like you are living it. My Mom was up every other night for 3 years. At times it seemed to me she knew, but eventually I knew she wasn't faking. > > If you go to the bottom of this email and find " Links " and " Lists " you will find out lots of information about LBD that we have collected. Many times Mom was given Meds that just didn't work. The MDs are just starting to diagnosis it, much less understand the Meds. My Mom was one who just couldn't do meds as they made her worse, not better. At one point I was cutting an anti-anxiety pill in quarters and giving her quarter of a pill all day. It worked fine. Other than that I was fighting with MDs all the time to take her off drugs. > > Check out what meds she is on and how much, and we can help you know which might be a problem. Most MDs use to much and to fast. And it makes things worse. > > Also, when Mom got upset, the MD that finally worked with me, always said, " Bring her in and we will check for UTI.. (Urinary. Track. Infection) And she always had one. And I would forget the next time. But we would do it all over again. I just always tried to remember, " Mom is scared, what can I do to help her fears. " The more fears I calmed, the easier time I had. (Not that I could always do that either.) > > Keep night lights on for her at night. Keep glaring glass covered, (it makes for " lots of people " Mirrors, windows and pictures. > > So you will learn to live with Lewy. And come here for that Pity Party that Carol was talking about. Sometimes you just have to spout. You and your Mom will hopefully find a way to trade nights if and when you need, so one of you isn't up all the time.. There is an over the counter med called Melatonin that I could give Mom with no bad effects. And even if she didn't sleep, she stayed calm and in bed. You will learn to do whatever works. > > Glad you are here. > > Hugs, > > Donna R > > > Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in a nh. > She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine. > > > Hello > > My name is Holly, my grandmother was diagnosid with LBD last week. > Before thaat I had never heard of it. She's a tough cookie....and she > wearing both my mother and I out. Last night was rough...she kept > haloring out our names every 15 minutes...this started at 10pm and went > on till 4:30 am. At times she would get stuck in the bed rails trying > to wander out at night, she instead in taking a shower at 0100 in the > morning. I work 12 hour shifts and get up to work at 5 am. At times I > wanted to yell at her...but I didn't. > > Sometimes she's ok ...mentally alert and can converse well with us. > Then there are nightd that she is soooo stuborn, lost in her time ( by > that I mean she'll ask me if I fed the pigs? ...we have no pigs) then > there are days that she takes of her diapers and runs around the house > naked.... > > My mother sometimes thinks that she makes things up or trying to fool > us... > > I am confused, frusterated and stressed..... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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