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Hey

I have a stressful thought:

I read this corespondent between and the dali lama

I found to be so intellectual and wise

(dali, you are ok too)

And I think:

I am not as wise as .

I will never be able to have conversation with him on this level

I loose track and I am not as clear as he!

I feel that I am wise enough, I am happy with myself

I am only worried that I am not wise enough for

That he would be bored with me,

Cause I hate to philosophize.

That is the only thing I cannot give

Maybe I should ask him if he needs it.

Ok, I will

, please answer me

Do you find me intellectual enough for *you*?

I know that you like me

But does it bother you that I am not like the dali lama?

I just love my honesty

T

-- Re: Re: Hot Seat - fear / AC

Dear Adithya,

......

>> If all

>> we do is dismiss the belief, we are merely attempting to bury the

>> negative feelings around it

> Yes.

>

>> and I know that this will never work.

> I don't know if it will " never " work.

> I suspect, it might sometime work for short term at least.

Yes. And I do use it. Although I am aware, that I didn't really take

care of that part.

>> For me, It is not so much whether or not something is true,

>> but " how does that make me feel when I believe it is true? "

> Ok.

> I think we differ a little here.

>

> To me, if I really find something true, I don't try

> to question it even when it troubles me. For me,

> that 'discomfort' points me to work towards a

> solution or change.

>

> However, if I am not sure of something being

> true - I find that a good point to inquire.

You know, I think that's what I do, too.

Inquiring into something I know is true... can seem like I am trying

to cheat on myself.

And what I do find is that I know less every day.

>>> In my view, a mouse has a good enough practical reason to remain

>>> aware of the dangers posed by a cat. I think labeling

>>> such " factual "

>>> things as " stories " is perhaps neither necessary nor useful. But,

>>> it

>>> can indeed serve as an effective " evasive " tactics on lines of an

>>> ostrich burying its head in sand - if that's what is desired!

>>

>> #One of my favorite Byron quotes is " As long as we believe

>> that Life is higher than Death, we will continue to live in fear! "

>

> Contrary to what says,

Profanity!

(sorry, couldn't help it!)

> I think:

>

> - Fear runs much deeper than intellect and no understanding at

> the level of intellect can completely remove fear and I don't think

> it should.

>

> I consider fear something very valuable an useful just like every

> other emotion including grief and sadness.

Ok. And: yes, it is.

And don't you differ between different flavours of fear?

Like, there is one fear where I can remain calm and use my logic.

There is one fear where I just react, unaware of what I am actually

doing. Consciousness kicks in later.

And one thing is to experience fear in the moment.

Another thing is, to: " live in fear " .

And fear is fear.

Like pain is pain.

>> I personally do not believe that how a mouse responds to the

>> presence of a cat, is a good example for me to live by.

> It may not be an example of how to live by or but merely an example

> how even the creatures who supposedly can not " think " - live. It

> might put role of " thinking " in a possibly more appropriate place.

> And, if mouse really can't think - then, perhaps it means that the

> fear, escape and running away is not just thought based.

Well, you could be right. Sometimes it even looks like some people

can't think!

I can only know for myself how this fear-thing works.

With me.

>>> " In the message that I wrote, I was trying to explore and wonder

>>> on how natural order of *things* affect our inner state! In my

>>> observation, they seem to affect a lot... " By " natural order " I

>>> mean something on the lines of " food chain " that I studied in my

>>> biology class - like deer eats grass and lion eats the deer.

>> #Yes, your meaning seems to be clear here. Again, these type of

>> beliefs are generally accepted to be " facts " but for me, are

>> merely more stories. But, if you still don't see any " natural order "

>> then, perhaps, we see [or say] things very differently than each

>> other.

>> #Yes, we do see things differently. What you call " natural order "

>> is to me just another story.

> At the point where " everything " is a " story " - I consider stop

> calling things " stories " as it stops conveying anything particular

> about that thing. In my mind, labels are valuable only as a means

> to " distinguish " one thing from other. Thus, in this context, if

> everything is a story, IMV calling something a story might be

> unnecessary and might even be confusing.

It might be interesting to not differ things, sometimes.

Just for the fun of it!

>>> In my world, I would find a deer being aware of the dangers posed

>>> by a lion - reasonable and maybe, even practical and " useful " .

>> #I understand what you are saying. If I came upon a lion in the

>> wild, I would likely respond just like the deer does. But, if i

>> later found that this response caused me to suffer, I would

>> inquire into my beliefs around the lion and my fears attached to it.

> Yes. I might do it too.

> But, to me the point of inquiry wouldn't be: " Lion can eat me " .

> Point of inquiry will be: " the Lion shouldn't eat me " .

That's the part where I am trapped, right?

I may offer to inquire: " The lion will eat me " and, once he started:

" I will die "

And I CAN inquire into " Lion can eat me " . And when the lion comes, I

am out of here. Just because I am not attached to " Lion can eat me "

doesn't mean I want to take chances. I might be insane, but only up

to a certain point!

>>>>> I notice that I often find out that:

>>>>> - I really don't know. Most of the times, I can only have

>>>>> a " guess " .

>>>> #Sounds just like me, at the bottom line, " I do not know anything,

>>>> for sure. " And at this time, I feel no need to know anything for

>>>> sure. I used to believe that I knew some things for sure, but

>>>> under inquirey, I found that it was merely my own arrogance.

>>> I am not sure that all feelings are caused by thoughts or ...that

>>> all thoughts are caused by feelings! I don't what a newborn learns

>>> first - " thinking " or " feeling " ! I don't if animals are more

>>> capable of - " feeling " or " thinking " ! I really don't know and

>>> last time I

>>> watched Discovery Channel - I was told even scientists are not

>>> really sure in this regard!

I don't care about newborns or animals. And I do notice, that each

time I investigate a feeling, it's in company of a thought. And when

I don't believe the thought, the thought comes on its own, and the

feeling in that situation... differs.

Love,

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