Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 from my experience and observations EGO are not able to communicate, because an EGO is only able to bargain. When EGO gets an expected answer, your EGO likes the other EGO, otherwise EGO hates her mirror. n0by :-) ..... > > Sure... > > And, I do love ego! > > In fact, ego is the one I really want to talk to, > understand and communicate with. > > When you read my message, do you read it without > an 'ego'? When you respond to my message do you > do it without 'ego'? If not, how good is this > theory of 'ego-less-ness'??? Is it just a " cool " > thing to discuss, that's all? > > Regards, > ac > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 > > Oh, yes. . . the experience of there being no doer, no " body " is very > much part of my own experience and background. And, is that 'experience' just " occasional " [like people experience once in a while when 'drugged', 'in meditation' or simply 'zoned out'] or is it 'constant' and this is how you live your day-to-day life - with " no doer " , with " no " body " " ??? > When I found Advaita > it felt like somebody was finally speaking my language. Sure. . . > I had > studied so many systems and nothing previously ever made lasting > sense. When you come home, when truth speaks to you. . . it is quite > clear and permanent. > > My own experience of " Oneness " revealed NOTHING WAS TRULY HAPPENING. Sure, and, is that how you live your life??? > There is really no way for me to further explain that. . . I saw > movement, but I knew that all was pure silence. At any time, you STOP 'listening', there is bound to be Silence - Isn't it??? Is that some kind of special " mystery " ??? >What remembers > this. . . I guess the ego, but does it matter? Yes. It does. It will then imply that the 'ego' is more permanent and lasting than the " ONENESS " that you feel from 'time-to-time'! > > You ask - why scientific discoveries happened to scientists and, > musical discoveries to musicians? > > Who knows and who cares?! I do. I am questioning if a particular " thought preparation " makes particular kind of 'opening' into 'no thought' 'revelation' zone possible! If an 'Einstein' by his particular brand of thinking, 'sub conscious suggestion' and apparent surrender into sub-conscious mode has " prepared " himself to receive those scientific revelations from sub-conscious that people like you and I haven't? I read that Greenspan received many of his 'financial' ideas in shower and Edison his 'scientific' ideas in 'half sleep'. I am asking if there is " pattern " , here! I am asking if it is like, you heat the water - vapor " automatically " appears! Just like you forget something and can't remember it no matter how hard you try. Then, you stop trying, go into your garden, start watering your plants [ or ride a train] and the answer 'suddenly' appears! But, maybe, it appears only because, " you " had put it there! Like answer to 'where you had put your keys last' is unlikely to appear to me - no matter, how many plants I water! I am asking if scientists, musicians, painters and other 'masters' too have trained their intellect, brain, conscious, sub-conscious same way that makes revelations of a particular kind appear to them! IOW… I am questioning if there is really anything extravagantly " mysterious " in 'no thought' revelations? It is mysterious for sure, and, in reality, what is really not " mysterious " , 'wondrous " but, is it really so widely different than all other mysteries appearing every day [my son's smile for example]??? > That's my answer! That is not a good enough answer for me. > I accept that it does > seem to work that way. Thanks. You are quite generous. Though, I would have liked you to 'think' about it little more before you conceded. > > You ask - So " who " comes back later to say that he/she was in 'no > mind'? and who explains it. . . > > I honestly don't know. Sure… > There are millions of examples of minds > TRYING to explain everything. Billions of examples of mind really explaining many things ?? > Minds that came from Source, are > entirely made up of source, and disappear in Source. And, what is the source… if not, MIND??? > > Look. . . preferences arise. Ok. So, you are just ordinary;) > That's it. Words come out of a person's > mouth. Sure… > Typing on a screen happens. . . And, if you type something that you shouldn't - your password can get stolen and your bank balance taken out. I am sure you are " careful " not to do that - are you? > It's only the ego that claims > those actions as personal. And, it also 'protects' your password; does it? > I recognize that my body-mind organism > has preferences, And, who are " you " , if not " body-mind organism " ??? > etc., and what I am realizing more and more is that > this isn't personal. Sure… > It just happens. Like 'protecting' your password ?;) > And when there is a feeling > of taking something personally, I inquire! What for? Or, does the 'inquiry' too just happens - " no doer " ? > > And I didn't know I had a theory of egolessness. . . that's your > story! Sure, I Just concluded that from emphasis on the word 'ego'. > Whether it's " cool " or not is entirely up to you. It is not " cool " to me, but, since you talked about 'ego', I thought, maybe you think of 'ego-less-ness' as something " cool " on the lines of - " no doer " , " no " body " " , " things just happening'! Am I wrong? > All I know > is that egolessness happens. . . and doesn't happen. I don't have a > problem with ego. Thanks! Regards, ac [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 > I am questioning if a particular > " thought preparation " makes particular > kind of 'opening' into 'no thought' > 'revelation' zone possible! > > If an 'Einstein' by his particular brand > of thinking, 'sub conscious suggestion' and > apparent surrender into sub-conscious mode > has " prepared " himself to receive those > scientific revelations from sub-conscious that > people like you and I haven't? > > I read that Greenspan received many of his > 'financial' ideas in shower and Edison his > 'scientific' ideas in 'half sleep'. > > I am asking if there is " pattern " , here! I am > asking if it is like, you heat the water - vapor > " automatically " appears! > > Just like you forget > something and can't remember it no matter > how hard you try. Then, you stop trying, > go into your garden, start watering your > plants [ or ride a train] and the answer > 'suddenly' appears! But, maybe, it appears > only because, " you " had put it there! Like > answer to 'where you had put your keys last' > is unlikely to appear to me - no matter, how > many plants I water! > > I am asking if scientists, musicians, painters > and other 'masters' too have trained their > intellect, brain, conscious, sub-conscious > same way that makes revelations of a particular > kind appear to them! > > IOW… I am questioning if there is really anything > extravagantly " mysterious " in 'no thought' revelations? > It is mysterious for sure, and, in reality, what is really > not " mysterious " , 'wondrous " but, is it really so > widely different than all other mysteries appearing > every day [my son's smile for example]??? I read a book on the topic of subconscious knowledge - knowledge that we are not even aware that we know. When a person trains in a particular field and becomes a master at their craft, their knowledge has become primarily subconscious. For example, a master artist can spot out a forgery almost instantly before becoming aware and sure that it is a forgery because all the knowledge culminated to make that make that realization cannot be contained in the conscious awareness. Processing that knowledge on a conscious level takes a long time. It's the hunches and the 'just know's' and that point to our incredible intelligence, intelligence that we cannot consciously and egotistically say is ours because we're no longer captains of the ship of that knowledge. We don't even know how smart and knowledgeable we really are. I'm sure there are many instances in your own life where you had premonitions or hunches that turned out to be true. Our brains can process incoming sensory information instantly, even sensory information that we're not focused on nor distracted by (such as the shift in light through the windows the soft sound of rain starting outside). That, in turn, gives us our premonitory ideas. ( " I should close the car windows in case it starts raining. " Step outside. " Oh my goodness! It is just beginning to rain now! How weird I just thought of that! " ) In the case of new ideas happening to those in their particular field, it only makes sense. A person with particular training in a field is going to be able to 'take the next step' by having new idea or realization to build upon their already existent knowledge. The subconscious is always thinking and processing information even though we are not aware of it. We don't have to be. That's why ideas seem to hit us when we are least thinking about it. The brain formulates an idea and presents it to our conscious awareness whenever it comes up with it. The following is an exercise that I learned a few years back that can get you in contact with that subconscious knowledge. Most people don't know that this is even a possibility, or that their subconscious intelligence can be tapped into in the immediate moment and witnessed by our conscious awareness. It's even spooky, in a way. Some might think it's a hoax that tries to support the supernatural, but it's not. It's just what you and your brain can do naturally. It is lightly entertaining and you can show friends at your next get together. Take a small weight, such as those crystals that are dangled off rearview mirrors, or a medallion and hang it off a thread. Now you have a pendulum. On a piece of paper, draw a large + with arrows on each end (like a compass), then draw a circle around your compass. Now, sitting comfortably in a chair at a table, have the piece of paper in front of you and hold the pendulum thread between your thumb and index finger about 6 to 8 inches away from the weight. Hang the pendulum steady over center of the +. Do not rest your elbow or otherwise inhibit your arm. " Instruct " your subconscious on the rules of this game. Gently swing the pendulum to and from your body, over the vertical line. Tell yourself (your subconscious) that this is the answer " yes " to whatever question you may ask. Stop the pendulum then swing it back and forth over the horizontal line and tell yourself that this is the answer " no " to whatever question you may ask. Then swing the pendulum in a circle, following the circle on the paper, and tell yourself this is the answer " I don't know " . Now, begin by keeping your arm relaxed yet unsupported while holding the pendulum over the paper. Start asking yourself some questions you already know that can be answered by 'yes', 'no', or 'I don't know', such as " Is my name So-and-so? " or, " Am I 10 years old? " Then wait. And be patient, but expect an answer. The pendulum will seemingly start swinging on its own without any conscious effort on your part. This is the spooky part. YOU are swinging the pendulum, however you are NOT doing it consciously. It is your subconscious answering the questions. It's pretty cool to try. Anyhoot. Have fun. Hypegia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Ok, I've given this a couple of days worth of pondering... Even before getting this latest post, I did the work on " All is One. " Very interesting. I saw that I am not in Oneness as often as Ego identification. Not even close. So, in answer to your question... " is that how I live my life [in a state of Oneness] I have to honestly answer no (I don't believe I told you otherwise). My life feels to be about separation and duality mostly. Now... what is your point about that? You come across as somehow knowing something we mortals do not. All I know is that I did have an undescribable experience... maybe it could be called an experience of transcendence. I don't claim it is some kind of Mystery as you assert - again, this seems to be your story. All I did was tell you a little about it. I answered your questions with as much thought as possible at the time... if you wanted " more " then perhaps you should question what that would have given you and can you know it is true. As to when I take the world personally... I inquire to relieve the stress. To create space where previously there existed only contraction. It has been my experience that doing the Work brings space consciousness. Other times it just doesn't... so I let that be knowing I've done all I can. When I see Life as perfect just the way it is... there is no need to inquire. All is well. " What is Source, if not mind? " you ask... Do you honestly think Source is *JUST* mind? If so, that is your perogative. I can't go with you on that one. I have already said I don't think Source and mind are different, but my take is that Source holds mind. Embraces mind, infuses mind, and is much, much vaster than mind. Yes, ego protects my password! It is a master at self-defense. But what is your point here? And asking me who I am... Oh LORD, that is the million dollar question, one I don't have an answer to yet. I am a body-mind and I am absolutely not one either. What are you? > > > > Oh, yes. . . the experience of there being no doer, no " body " is > very > > much part of my own experience and background. > > And, is that 'experience' just " occasional " > [like people experience once in a while when > 'drugged', 'in meditation' or simply 'zoned out'] > or is it 'constant' and this is how you live your > day-to-day life - with " no doer " , with " no " body " " ??? > > > > When I found Advaita > > it felt like somebody was finally speaking my language. > > Sure. . . > > > > I had > > studied so many systems and nothing previously ever made lasting > > sense. When you come home, when truth speaks to you. . . it is > quite > > clear and permanent. > > > > My own experience of " Oneness " revealed NOTHING WAS TRULY > HAPPENING. > > Sure, and, is that how you live your life??? > > > There is really no way for me to further explain that. . . I saw > > movement, but I knew that all was pure silence. > > At any time, you STOP 'listening', > there is bound to be Silence - Isn't it??? > > Is that some kind of special " mystery " ??? > > > >What remembers > > this. . . I guess the ego, but does it matter? > > Yes. It does. It will then imply that the 'ego' is > more permanent and lasting than the " ONENESS " > that you feel from 'time-to-time'! > > > > > > You ask - why scientific discoveries happened to scientists and, > > musical discoveries to musicians? > > > > Who knows and who cares?! > > I do. > > I am questioning if a particular > " thought preparation " makes particular > kind of 'opening' into 'no thought' > 'revelation' zone possible! > > If an 'Einstein' by his particular brand > of thinking, 'sub conscious suggestion' and > apparent surrender into sub-conscious mode > has " prepared " himself to receive those > scientific revelations from sub-conscious that > people like you and I haven't? > > I read that Greenspan received many of his > 'financial' ideas in shower and Edison his > 'scientific' ideas in 'half sleep'. > > I am asking if there is " pattern " , here! I am > asking if it is like, you heat the water - vapor > " automatically " appears! > > Just like you forget > something and can't remember it no matter > how hard you try. Then, you stop trying, > go into your garden, start watering your > plants [ or ride a train] and the answer > 'suddenly' appears! But, maybe, it appears > only because, " you " had put it there! Like > answer to 'where you had put your keys last' > is unlikely to appear to me - no matter, how > many plants I water! > > I am asking if scientists, musicians, painters > and other 'masters' too have trained their > intellect, brain, conscious, sub-conscious > same way that makes revelations of a particular > kind appear to them! > > IOW… I am questioning if there is really anything > extravagantly " mysterious " in 'no thought' revelations? > It is mysterious for sure, and, in reality, what is really > not " mysterious " , 'wondrous " but, is it really so > widely different than all other mysteries appearing > every day [my son's smile for example]??? > > > > > That's my answer! > > That is not a good enough answer for me. > > > > I accept that it does > > seem to work that way. > > Thanks. You are quite generous. Though, I would > have liked you to 'think' about it little more before > you conceded. > > > > > > You ask - So " who " comes back later to say that he/she was in 'no > > mind'? and who explains it. . . > > > > I honestly don't know. > > Sure… > > > > There are millions of examples of minds > > TRYING to explain everything. > > Billions of examples of mind really explaining many things ?? > > > Minds that came from Source, are > > entirely made up of source, and disappear in Source. > > And, what is the source… if not, MIND??? > > > > > > Look. . . preferences arise. > > Ok. So, you are just ordinary;) > > > > That's it. Words come out of a person's > > mouth. > > Sure… > > > > Typing on a screen happens. . . > > And, if you type something that you shouldn't - your > password can get stolen and your bank balance taken out. > I am sure you are " careful " not to do that - are you? > > > > It's only the ego that claims > > those actions as personal. > > And, it also 'protects' your password; does it? > > > > > I recognize that my body-mind organism > > has preferences, > > And, who are " you " , if not " body-mind organism " ??? > > > > etc., and what I am realizing more and more is that > > this isn't personal. > > Sure… > > > It just happens. > > Like 'protecting' your password ?;) > > > > And when there is a feeling > > of taking something personally, I inquire! > > What for? > > Or, does the 'inquiry' too just happens - " no doer " ? > > > > > And I didn't know I had a theory of egolessness. . . that's your > > story! > > Sure, I Just concluded that from emphasis on the > word 'ego'. > > > > > Whether it's " cool " or not is entirely up to you. > > It is not " cool " to me, but, since you talked about > 'ego', I thought, maybe you think of 'ego-less-ness' > as something " cool " on the lines of - " no doer " , > " no " body " " , " things just happening'! Am I wrong? > > > > All I know > > is that egolessness happens. . . and doesn't happen. I don't have > a > > problem with ego. > > Thanks! > > Regards, > ac > > [...] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 > > Ok, I've given this a couple of days worth of pondering... Thank you! You have been very generous. > > Even before getting this latest post, I did the work on " All is > One. " Very interesting. I saw that I am not in Oneness as often as > Ego identification. Not even close. Sure. I wouldn't consider that a problem. I would guess that the same is true for most nondual teachers too, irrespective of what they might want to claim. > > So, in answer to your question... " is that how I live my life [in a > state of Oneness] I have to honestly answer no (I don't believe I > told you otherwise). My life feels to be about separation and > duality mostly. Sure. And, I don't think that is a problem. > > Now... what is your point about that? Is it correct to assume that the experience that you have only once in a while is more real than the one you have almost all the time? Is it correct to use that experience to deny [by saying, " there is Only Oneness " ] the existence of that which you feel almost all the time? > You come across as somehow > knowing something we mortals do not. Sure. I know, I can come across like that sometimes. > > All I know is that I did have an undescribable experience... maybe it > could be called an experience of transcendence. Sure > I don't claim it is > some kind of Mystery as you assert I do think it is a mystery like many other things in our life and universe. > - again, this seems to be your > story. Sure > All I did was tell you a little about it. > > I answered your questions with as much thought as possible at the > time... That is very generous and kind of you. > if you wanted " more " then perhaps you should question what > that would have given you and can you know it is true. Wanting to know more in this case, is not stressful to me. > > As to when I take the world personally... I inquire to relieve the > stress. Why bother with relieving stress? > To create space where previously there existed only > contraction. Why bother with that? > It has been my experience that doing the Work brings > space consciousness. Why bother with that? > Other times it just doesn't... so I let that be > knowing I've done all I can. When I see Life as perfect just the way > it is... there is no need to inquire. All is well. Why life needs to be perfect? > > " What is Source, if not mind? " you ask... Do you honestly think > Source is *JUST* mind? Yes, I do think so. But, I like it to write it as… MIND! And, MIND, Self, God, Brahman, Consciousness, Universe, Life… all of these mean same thing to me! > If so, that is your perogative. I can't go > with you on that one. Ok > I have already said I don't think Source and > mind are different, but my take is that Source holds mind. Sure, as ocean holds the waves. > Embraces > mind, infuses mind, and is much, much vaster than mind. Sure > > Yes, ego protects my password! It is a master at self-defense. But > what is your point here? That, ego is not bad. Ego is not unnecessary. Ego is not some kind of villain. > > And asking me who I am... Oh LORD, that is the million dollar > question, one I don't have an answer to yet. I am a body-mind and I > am absolutely not one either. What are you? Yes. I am Me Regards, ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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